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CountCorvinus
03/05/24 3:00:26 PM
#101:


bigblu89 posted...
OK. All the BS in this thread aside, from the protestors point of view, what does getting in her face accomplish?

Do they have a list of people that have and haven't called it genocide, and just cross people's names off as they publicly call it genocide?

If someone isn't going to even acknowledge that what's happening is a genocide, how committed can they really be to stopping it?

Compare AOC's response to other representatives like Cori Bush and Rashida Tlaib, who were the only US politicians to sign a proposal to stop sending Israel weapons.

https://progressive.international/wire/2024-03-01-we-will-not-be-complicit-in-israels-grave-violation-of-international-law/en

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bigblu89
03/05/24 3:01:21 PM
#102:


emblem-man posted...
The thing is, AOC has already called it a mass killing of civilians and has publicly stated her support for a ceasefire. So I'm not really sure what they get from having her specifically say it.

She's already on their side in terms of actual political policy!!

OK That's what I thought.

You would think her voting practices would be more important than her public statements.


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Humble_Novice
03/05/24 3:02:31 PM
#103:


CountCorvinus posted...
If someone isn't going to even acknowledge that what's happening is a genocide, how committed can they really be to stopping it?
That's still no excuse to harass and condemn AOC like she's responsible for it.

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bigblu89
03/05/24 3:02:42 PM
#104:


CountCorvinus posted...
If someone isn't going to even acknowledge that what's happening is a genocide, how committed can they really be to stopping it?

Compare AOC's response to other representatives like Cori Bush and Rashida Tlaib, who were the only US politicians to sign a proposal to stop sending Israel weapons.

https://progressive.international/wire/2024-03-01-we-will-not-be-complicit-in-israels-grave-violation-of-international-law/en

But, again, let's say she goes "OK. It is genocide".

Do all those people then just go "Oh. Ok. Thanks!" and move on to the next public figure on their list?

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ironman2009
03/05/24 3:03:59 PM
#105:


They probably post a clip on Twitter first.

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Humble_Novice
03/05/24 3:05:30 PM
#106:


bigblu89 posted...
But, again, let's say she goes "OK. It is genocide".

Do all those people then just go "Oh. Ok. Thanks!" and move on to the next public figure on their list?
Speaking of lists, some protesters have been creating one made to specifically boycott or condemn celebrities. The problem with them though is that innocent people or pro-Palestinian supporters who aren't vocal about their stance tend to get caught in the crossfires.

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Pitbuller_26
03/05/24 3:11:04 PM
#107:


The fact she even says they're just going to clip whatever she says and take it out of context shows that knows these protestors are full of shit.

The fact they're targeting her of all people also shows how foolish they are. The one congressperson who is deep on their side.
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streamofthesky
03/05/24 3:11:45 PM
#108:


Humble_Novice posted...
Speaking of lists, some protesters have been creating one made to specifically boycott or condemn celebrities. The problem with them though is that innocent people or pro-Palestinian supporters who aren't vocal about their stance tend to get caught in the crossfires.
No, the problem is creating fucking harassment target lists to send your death threats to just b/c some celebrity doesn't fully vocalize support for your cause, in the first place.
Not that they "misfire" and get people on their side occasionally.
These people are fucking deranged. They think it would've been ok to tell Christina Vee to kill herself if she hadn't publicly affirmed their beliefs.
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Torgo
03/05/24 3:12:58 PM
#109:


Their heart is in the right place, but we need to learn not to throw close allies under the bus for failing endless purity tests.

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Umbreon
03/05/24 3:15:01 PM
#110:


streamofthesky posted...
No, the problem is creating fucking harassment target lists to send your death threats to just b/c some celebrity doesn't fully vocalize support for your cause, in the first place.
Not that they "misfire" and get people on their side occasionally.
These people are fucking deranged. They think it would've been ok to tell Christina Vee to kill herself if she hadn't publicly affirmed their beliefs.


And the coward who made the list closed their account once they got a taste of their own medicine instead of accepting fault

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luigi33
03/05/24 3:15:59 PM
#111:


Virtual signaling bullshit. Example of left eating its own for non pragmatic reasons. They have the problem with the word itself, not the politics or what she actually believes. Pure semantics.

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CountCorvinus
03/05/24 3:17:01 PM
#113:


bigblu89 posted...
But, again, let's say she goes "OK. It is genocide".

Do all those people then just go "Oh. Ok. Thanks!" and move on to the next public figure on their list?

I'm not them, but just calling it a genocide to placate a couple activists would not be enough for me. Like I posted before, Tlaib and Bush were the only two US legislators to sign on to a proposal to stop selling Israel weapons.

Whereas AOC has endorsed the guy bypassing Congress to sell them more.
https://time.com/6551227/biden-administration-bypasses-congress-israel-weapons-sale/

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Pitbuller_26
03/05/24 3:18:14 PM
#114:


Side note, she was struggling to keep the Bronx side of herself on check. Understandably so.
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streamofthesky
03/05/24 3:18:15 PM
#115:


Umbreon posted...
And the coward who made the list closed their account once they got a taste of their own medicine instead of accepting fault
Actually even worse. Made a new account like a day later to continue being a vile little shit stain while hoping the name change would throw people off the trail.
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Umbreon
03/05/24 3:27:24 PM
#116:


streamofthesky posted...
Actually even worse. Made a new account like a day later to continue being a vile little shit stain while hoping the name change would throw people off the trail.

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So I'll never see death threats as acceptable, but any lesser heat wouldn't make me pity the little shit.

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SaikyoStyle
03/05/24 3:34:08 PM
#117:


Torgo posted...
Their heart is in the right place, but we need to learn not to throw close allies under the bus for failing endless purity tests.
One of the hallmarks of the online left is an endlessly frustrating inability to pick its battles.

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ItsNotA2Mer
03/05/24 3:36:14 PM
#118:


Humble may be a lot of things, but a Trumper? No fucking way.

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runewalshPSiv
03/05/24 3:37:02 PM
#119:


luigi33 posted...
Virtual signaling bullshit. Example of left eating its own for non pragmatic reasons. They have the problem with the word itself, not the politics or what she actually believes. Pure semantics.

This. They only do it to "show" how much better of a person they are than you. When push comes to shove 99.9% of don't donate a penny or wouldn't get on a plane and go over there to help. They just screech online, that's all they ever have and ever will do.

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Umbreon
03/05/24 3:38:39 PM
#120:


runewalshPSiv posted...
This. They only do it to "show" how much better of a person they are than you. When push comes to shove 99.9% of don't donate a penny or wouldn't get on a plane and go over there to help. They just screech online, that's all they ever have and ever will do.


"Look what I did in Palenstine's name!"

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Dancedreamer
03/05/24 3:39:38 PM
#121:


CountCorvinus posted...
Whereas AOC has endorsed the guy bypassing Congress to sell them more.

If you're not voting for Biden, you're basically voting for Trump.

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CountCorvinus
03/05/24 3:41:30 PM
#122:


Dancedreamer posted...
If you're not voting for Biden, you're basically voting for Trump.

Another person who doesn't understand what a primary is.

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legendary_zell
03/05/24 3:44:55 PM
#123:


Not calling a genocide a genocide is bad and it's fine to confront someone over it. And it's not just words, it's actions they're taking issue with. Whether you think those actions are bad enough to take these actions over, that's a difference of opinion.

This attitude that if someone is generally "on your side" you should give them a pass is how you get stuck supporting increasingly terrible lawmakers.

Everyone should be held accountable for everything they do wrong, no matter how "good" they generally are. No passes, ever.

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TimeForAction
03/05/24 3:45:42 PM
#124:


These people cant see straight
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Dancedreamer
03/05/24 4:03:41 PM
#125:


AOC has consistently called for a ceasefire, consistently called out AIPAC, and consistently called out Israel's actions. She's not just 'generally good' on this, she's good on it. Moving the goal posts is doing any good for anyone. How do we get politicians to call for a ceasefire, when we show that it's not enough? Too many leftists do not understand politics. I say this as a leftist myself. But too many of us really don't get it.

Oh but she endorsed Biden!

Of course she did. The alternative is Trump. And don't give me "What about the primaries!" Nobody else stands a chance of beating Biden. Voting uncommitted to show your support for Palestine is fine. Even AOC has said so! But when it comes to politics, you need as many allies as you can get. I feel like too many leftists think we can just do this all by ourselves. We can't. And you sometimes have to compromise to form coalitions. That's how politics works.

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Torgo
03/05/24 4:04:53 PM
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Ironic because the "tolerant right" supports all settler colonial projects and Palestinian apartheid... so very tolerant there.

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legendary_zell
03/05/24 4:14:43 PM
#127:


Dancedreamer posted...
AOC has consistently called for a ceasefire, consistently called out AIPAC, and consistently called out Israel's actions. She's not just 'generally good' on this, she's good on it. Moving the goal posts is doing any good for anyone. How do we get politicians to call for a ceasefire, when we show that it's not enough? Too many leftists do not understand politics. I say this as a leftist myself. But too many of us really don't get it.

Oh but she endorsed Biden!

Of course she did. The alternative is Trump. And don't give me "What about the primaries!" Nobody else stands a chance of beating Biden. Voting uncommitted to show your support for Palestine is fine. Even AOC has said so! But when it comes to politics, you need as many allies as you can get. I feel like too many leftists think we can just do this all by ourselves. We can't. And you sometimes have to compromise to form coalitions. That's how politics works.


I generally agree with this, but I think calling a genocide a genocide and doing what you can to actively block its facilitation is a fair expectation to be considered good in the current circumstances. I understand that it's very difficult and there's a lot of pressure and reasons not to, but it's still a valid thing to want and to pressure people to do.


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luigi33
03/05/24 4:53:42 PM
#128:


legendary_zell posted...


I generally agree with this, but I think calling a genocide a genocide and doing what you can to actively block its facilitation is a fair expectation to be considered good in the current circumstances.
Wrong wrong wrong ans false. I am an outcomes first person. There's a reason she's not using that word..she would be censured under our current political climate and what benefits does this offer Palestinian causes? Only thing this accomplishes is Twitter left clout which ultimately is completely useless in terms of overall outcome. A AOC that can use her voice for change is better than a censured AOC that passes stupid fucking purity tests.

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Umbreon
03/05/24 4:56:19 PM
#129:


Purity tests will be the end of us all.

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mybbqrules
03/05/24 7:02:52 PM
#130:


Umbreon posted...
CountCorvinus is being quoted a lot.
I have them tagged as a chud alt.

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ClayGuida
03/05/24 7:04:29 PM
#131:


Dumb people do dumb things.

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SaikyoStyle
03/05/24 7:07:49 PM
#132:


luigi33 posted...
Wrong wrong wrong ans false. I am an outcomes first person. There's a reason she's not using that word..she would be censured under our current political climate and what benefits does this offer Palestinian causes? Only thing this accomplishes is Twitter left clout which ultimately is completely useless in terms of overall outcome. A AOC that can use her voice for change is better than a censured AOC that passes stupid fucking purity tests.
In your opinion, what would censuring her change?

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luigi33
03/05/24 7:50:49 PM
#133:


SaikyoStyle posted...
In your opinion, what would censuring her change?
her voice and platform is incredibly important and has provenly changed the outcome of events.

You know why Trump is close to filing bankruptcy right now? You know who called his shit out? Who was the instigator that led to the chain of events that destroyed Trump's NY businesses?

AO mother fucking C. So fuck the idea of trying to get her censured. She's done everything under the sun to further the cause of Palestinians within her power while also not getting censured.

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SwordMaster13X
03/05/24 7:53:22 PM
#134:


Those protesters wanted views and they knew comforting AOC about something like this would get them the views they need

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luigi33
03/05/24 7:55:24 PM
#135:


SwordMaster13X posted...
Those protesters wanted views and they knew comforting AOC about something like this would get them the views they need
This is true and the reason is because AOC acts like an actual human being when confronted by people like this. Unlike your typical politician who just ignores you she actually gets passionate, angry. Unfortunately this also means people profit off of her literal humanity for clout.

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SaikyoStyle
03/05/24 7:59:25 PM
#136:


luigi33 posted...
her voice and platform is incredibly important and has provenly changed the outcome of events.

You know why Trump is close to filing bankruptcy right now? You know who called his shit out? Who was the instigator that led to the chain of events that destroyed Trump's NY businesses?

AO mother fucking C. So fuck the idea of trying to get her censured. She's done everything under the sun to further the cause of Palestinians within her power while also not getting censured.
How does being censured change that? As far as I know her status in the House doesnt change and she doesnt lose any privileges afforded to a member of Congress. But maybe it does in a way that Im not aware of outside of the stigma.

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PeteyParker
03/05/24 8:05:03 PM
#137:


Umbreon posted...
Purity tests will be the end of us all.


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luigi33
03/05/24 8:19:50 PM
#138:


SaikyoStyle posted...
How does being censured change that?
If she was censured she would not have had the opportunity to start questioning Trump's finances that lead to the investigations. She would be silenced, without a platform.

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SaikyoStyle
03/05/24 8:21:22 PM
#139:


luigi33 posted...
If she was censured she would not have had the opportunity to start questioning Trump's finances
Why not?

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CountCorvinus
03/05/24 8:59:44 PM
#140:


mybbqrules posted...
I have them tagged as a chud alt.

Have I ever even replied to you before?

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luigi33
03/06/24 1:32:51 AM
#141:


SaikyoStyle posted...
The congressional platform one of the highest and strongest platforms in the country. To be able to speak there is incredibly important. It will end up reaching far more voices than tv or social media. And also her words are on the official record that can be used as evidence.

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Toonstrack
03/06/24 1:59:38 AM
#142:


Umbreon posted...
Purity tests will be the end of us all.

And yet "progressives" keep trying this over and over

No different than those Twitter idiots than ran off Christina Vee.

And you got people in here literslly admitting how new they are to politics and it paints the picture of the state of way too many left wing circles, no principles, no allies, just vindictive self serving virus signaling that ar best accomplishes little and at worst makes the entire collective look worse.

Sigh.

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SaikyoStyle
03/06/24 9:38:29 AM
#143:


luigi33 posted...
The congressional platform one of the highest and strongest platforms in the country. To be able to speak there is incredibly important.
And censure removes that?
It will end up reaching far more voices than tv or social media.
No it wont.
And also her words are on the official record that can be used as evidence.
Evidence for what?

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Humble_Novice
03/06/24 2:48:33 PM
#144:


Toonstrack posted...
And yet "progressives" keep trying this over and over

No different than those Twitter idiots than ran off Christina Vee.

And you got people in here literslly admitting how new they are to politics and it paints the picture of the state of way too many left wing circles, no principles, no allies, just vindictive self serving virus signaling that ar best accomplishes little and at worst makes the entire collective look worse.

Sigh.
Speaking of Cristina Vee, looks like someone got ahold of the harasser's old account name and made some changes here and there: https://twitter.com/WhereIsMeCake

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mybbqrules
03/06/24 8:49:21 PM
#145:


CountCorvinus posted...
Have I ever even replied to you before?
You don't have to. The only time I tag people is when they're blatantly supporting the Trump fascist party of traitors.

I also notice you didn't deny it.

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Toonstrack
03/07/24 1:57:20 AM
#146:


CountCorvinus posted...
Have I ever even replied to you before?

Don't bother, this is CE, many of them aren't very different from these protestors.

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shnangyboos
03/07/24 2:10:47 AM
#147:


Get in their faces, right fellas. Let them know they'll have no peace. Surround, hound, and beat down with your righteous voices. No peace for these fuckers. This is how we do it, right.

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