Current Events > Do you want Tiktok to get banned in the US? >_>

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Jupiter
03/08/24 10:32:40 AM
#51:


I don't even use TikTok, but I feel that it's weird that people want it banned just because they are annoyed by it.

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RetuenOfDevsman
03/08/24 10:35:48 AM
#52:


Nirvanas_Nox posted...
guess he has nothing better to do then to.
Well, yeah. If I had something better to do, I wouldn't be here at all.
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LightningThief
03/08/24 10:42:52 AM
#53:


Jupiter posted...
I don't even use TikTok, but I feel that it's weird that people want it banned just because they are annoyed by it.
It's inaccurate to say everyone is simply annoyed by it.

No matter how you may feel about Tiktok, there's no denying social media in general has promoted mindless hours of scrolling, toxic clout chasing, complete brain rot of a great portion of the population that values their favorite mouth piece on social media over actual facts and science.

I'd argue it's also accelerated the hyperpartisan problems we face with literal sitting politicians aims for insta/tiktok/youtube clicks and likes instead of real policies. With these little games working because so many are addicted to social media and their little think tank bubbles.

We also have a social problem that social media has definitely played a part in damaging as well. Antisocial behavior and parasocial behaviors that social media definitely isn't helping to reverse since again social media targets these bubbles.

Lets not even get started on deluded populism of bubbles thinking they are the majority because they only interact with their bubble. Or the rampant misinformation and disinformation. "I saw it on YouTube or Tiktok so it must be true!"
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Nasty_Nitro
03/08/24 10:53:33 AM
#54:


Revelation34 posted...
Wat.

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when i wanna rub one out quick imma hit tiktok first my FYP is like a damn strip club

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Jupiter
03/08/24 10:54:17 AM
#55:


LightningThief posted...
It's inaccurate to say everyone is simply annoyed by it.
I never said everyone is annoyed by it.

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NoxObscuras
03/08/24 11:07:28 AM
#56:


Yeah, let's ask the government to ban an app because we don't like it. That's not a slippery slope at all /s

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Ratchetrockon
03/08/24 11:08:14 AM
#57:


I think it's fine

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LightningThief
03/08/24 11:18:12 AM
#58:


NoxObscuras posted...
Yeah, let's ask the government to ban an app because we don't like it. That's not a slippery slope at all /s
I know this post isn't at me, but wanted to clarify my post isnt saying ban it.

Just that there's definitely a lot of valid criticism of social media that it's inaccurate to boil it down to most are simply "annoyed" or simply "don't like it" if they are in deed in favor of getting rid of it.

There's definitely a lot to unpack with the problem of social media.
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NoxObscuras
03/08/24 11:26:35 AM
#59:


LightningThief posted...
I know this post isn't at me, but wanted to clarify my post isnt saying ban it.

Just that there's definitely a lot of valid criticism of social media that it's inaccurate to boil it down to most are simply "annoyed" or simply "don't like it" if they are in deed in favor of getting rid of it.

There's definitely a lot to unpack with the problem of social media.
Yeah, my response was to the topic title.

I agree that there's a lot of valid criticism of social media, but the answer shouldn't be to have the government ban it.

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Aztex
03/08/24 11:27:23 AM
#60:


The fact that people think it's a Chinese app for spying on people even though the app itself is banned in China makes no sense at all. Where do you guys get all your lies from?

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Aztex
03/08/24 11:29:12 AM
#61:


This is down right embarrassing for example

https://youtu.be/RgLQCfypDLk?feature=shared


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NoxObscuras
03/08/24 11:34:40 AM
#62:


Aztex posted...
The fact that people think it's a Chinese app for spying on people even though the app itself is banned in China makes no sense at all. Where do you guys get all your lies from?
Because the company that developed Tiktok is from Beijing. That's all it took for the "Chinese spy app" conspiracies to start.

And it's not banned in China, they just have their own version, called Douyin, that's separated from the rest of the world

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NeonOPPAl
03/08/24 11:39:28 AM
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Sweet, we are HOT right now

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cadcrafter
03/08/24 11:42:05 AM
#64:


Doesnt really matter because if it is banned another competitor will just pop up to take its place. And well, I guess thats sort of already happening with youtube shorts...

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PaperSplash
03/08/24 11:42:15 AM
#65:


SpawnShadow posted...
No, mostly because I'm afraid of the precedent it could end up setting.

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codey
03/08/24 11:45:12 AM
#66:


NeonOPPAl posted...
Yeah I agree with this. Youtube does have some great resources for projects and hobbies tho. But you gotta be searching for it. The fresh front page is always full of the stupidest brainrot bullshit

That really sounds like you're watching brainrot bullshit then. When I open youtube the videos on my homepage are gardening, bonsai, ted talks, a couple of podcasts I listen to in the background and some live music performances. Never am I recommended Logan Paul videos or something from other random youtube celebrities.

The same with TikTok. I thought it was all kids dancing bs before I used it, and within an hour the algorithm had sorted that shit out.

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Scintillant
03/08/24 11:46:25 AM
#67:


It's currently the most entertaining social media site so no

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NeonOPPAl
03/08/24 11:49:44 AM
#68:


codey posted...
That really sounds like you're watching brainrot bullshit then. When I open youtube the videos on my homepage are gardening, bonsai, ted talks, a couple of podcasts I listen to in the background and some live music performances. Never am I recommended Logan Paul videos or something from other random youtube celebrities.

The same with TikTok. I thought it was all kids dancing bs before I used it, and within an hour the algorithm had sorted that shit out.
I clear my cookies everyday, so when I see the frontpage after that, it's all from no history and no login. And it's all brainrot bullshit >_>

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CheshireSimper
03/08/24 12:07:44 PM
#69:


I think the misinformation issue is really one of media literacy rather than a specific social media site. Any social media site that curates content based on your actions or your network will lead to these bubble effects.

The issue is that we've done a shit job teaching young people how to discern reliable information. Pretty much the only lesson that's gotten taken away is to not trust mainstream media, which leads them to believe that social media is better trusted.
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Paragon21XX
03/08/24 12:14:13 PM
#70:


Aztex posted...
The fact that people think it's a Chinese app for spying on people even though the app itself is banned in China makes no sense at all. Where do you guys get all your lies from?
It's called Douyin in China.

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codey
03/08/24 12:17:12 PM
#71:


NeonOPPAl posted...
I clear my cookies everyday, so when I see the frontpage after that, it's all from no history and no login. And it's all brainrot bullshit >_>

Well yeah lol you're forcing the brainrot to stick around

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Smackems
03/08/24 12:19:15 PM
#72:


Ban the whole internet

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NeonOPPAl
03/08/24 12:20:36 PM
#73:


codey posted...
Well yeah lol you're forcing the brainrot to stick around
But a cleanslate front page shows only the most popular videos or trends, and it just shows that everyone is watching brainrot. It's dumb and my oldman ass thinks it's dumb. The children are wrong

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Aztex
03/08/24 12:21:25 PM
#74:


Yes and the creator of TikTok doesn't let his own kids use the app and encourages parents to do the same of they feel it isn't safe for them

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RetuenOfDevsman
03/08/24 12:25:50 PM
#75:


Aztex posted...
Yes and the creator of TikTok doesn't let his own kids use the app and encourages parents to do the same of they feel it isn't safe for them
I mean, kids shouldn't be on the Internet period. If I made a social media website, I'd be advising parents to keep their kids away from it too.
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NoxObscuras
03/08/24 1:20:05 PM
#76:


"Tiktok is full of brain rot" sounds an awful lot like when boomers told kids that watching too much TV would rot their brains.

Is that what you want CE? To sound like boomers? Ok Boomer!

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NeonOPPAl
03/08/24 1:22:00 PM
#77:


NoxObscuras posted...
"Tiktok is full of brain rot" sounds an awful lot like when boomers told kids that watching too much TV would rot their brains.

Is that what you want CE? To sound like boomers? Ok Boomer!
Part of life is accepting the fact that one day we will all become boomers over the weird shit that kids do. You cant outrun it, you can only embrace it

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LightningThief
03/08/24 1:27:10 PM
#78:


NoxObscuras posted...
"Tiktok is full of brain rot" sounds an awful lot like when boomers told kids that watching too much TV would rot their brains.
Tiktok and TV are hardly a 1 for 1.

Anyone with a camera and internet can post anything on Tiktok, and have a voice. No matter how misinformed, bigoted, or malicious the content is. TV, not so quite. Anyone with internet and a camera can't post something on tv.

Regardless how much you love tiktok, it's plain denial to think there isn't a bunch of brain rot on that platform along with the others like Facebook and Twitter. The platform literally promotes mindless hours scrolling that almost anyone can post or imply any message they want. Even bigotry and lies.

Like I said earlier, I'm not saying ban anything. My issue is more to those who pretend the platforms haven't been degenerative to society, or that most who aren't fans, "simply don't like it."
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masterbarf
03/08/24 1:34:07 PM
#79:


Are the yes votes ironic? Since when are we okay with governments infringing on our basic right to communicate freely?

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PballDepot
03/08/24 1:34:26 PM
#80:


No, it seems petty and childish to want something banned just cause I'm not a fan of it.

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Guide
03/08/24 1:45:43 PM
#81:


action52 posted...
People just assume TikTok is run by the CCP but they're not even headquartered in China anymore. Their main offices are in Singapore and LA. There is zero evidence of China exerting influence on them.

There are plenty of privacy and security issues but none of those issues are any worse on TikTok than other social media platforms.

I know this board isn't mostly right wing cranks, so I'm guessing the bulk of the "Yes" votes are from aging millennials and Gen Xers who think it's dumb zoomer crap.

They're still owned by ByteDance, who still answers to the CCP.

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hockeybabe89
03/08/24 2:34:25 PM
#82:


LightningThief posted...
It's inaccurate to say everyone is simply annoyed by it.

No matter how you may feel about Tiktok, there's no denying social media in general has promoted mindless hours of scrolling, toxic clout chasing, complete brain rot of a great portion of the population that values their favorite mouth piece on social media over actual facts and science.

I'd argue it's also accelerated the hyperpartisan problems we face with literal sitting politicians aims for insta/tiktok/youtube clicks and likes instead of real policies. With these little games working because so many are addicted to social media and their little think tank bubbles.

We also have a social problem that social media has definitely played a part in damaging as well. Antisocial behavior and parasocial behaviors that social media definitely isn't helping to reverse since again social media targets these bubbles.

Lets not even get started on deluded populism of bubbles thinking they are the majority because they only interact with their bubble. Or the rampant misinformation and disinformation. "I saw it on YouTube or Tiktok so it must be true!"
Solution: Ban the Internet

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TheMikh
03/08/24 2:37:21 PM
#83:


no

tiktok is a symptom of the problem

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LightningThief
03/08/24 3:08:15 PM
#84:


hockeybabe89 posted...
Solution: Ban the Internet
I hope you aren't claiming my post said this.

It's hard to tell when people are joking.
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Funkydog
03/08/24 3:08:44 PM
#85:


hockeybabe89 posted...
"I want the government to ban things that annoy me"


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CheshireSimper
03/08/24 3:09:28 PM
#86:


LightningThief posted...
I hope you aren't claiming my post said this.

It's hard to tell when people are joking.

I think the point she's making is that maybe the medium isn't the proximal cause.
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LightningThief
03/08/24 3:13:39 PM
#87:


CheshireSimper posted...
I think the point she's making is that maybe the medium isn't the proximal cause.
They aren't making a point when responding to my post. I made it very clear I wasn't arguing to ban Tiktok. So if she's pivoting to the internet, she's pivoting to a stance I never argued.

Especially given several posts ago she was attempting to be sarcastic "wanting to ban things that annoy me."
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ImagineUsngAlts
03/08/24 3:18:05 PM
#88:


LightningThief posted...
It's inaccurate to say everyone is simply annoyed by it.

No matter how you may feel about Tiktok, there's no denying social media in general has promoted mindless hours of scrolling, toxic clout chasing, complete brain rot of a great portion of the population that values their favorite mouth piece on social media over actual facts and science.

I'd argue it's also accelerated the hyperpartisan problems we face with literal sitting politicians aims for insta/tiktok/youtube clicks and likes instead of real policies. With these little games working because so many are addicted to social media and their little think tank bubbles.

We also have a social problem that social media has definitely played a part in damaging as well. Antisocial behavior and parasocial behaviors that social media definitely isn't helping to reverse since again social media targets these bubbles.

Lets not even get started on deluded populism of bubbles thinking they are the majority because they only interact with their bubble. Or the rampant misinformation and disinformation. "I saw it on YouTube or Tiktok so it must be true!"

Oh yeah, there is no denying that social media has encouraged and instigated a lot of problems. I think pretty much everyone is aware of its negatives. However, I think it's also prudent here to list its positives.

https://www.mdpi.com/2227-7102/13/7/745
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK594763
https://unfspinnaker.com/90538/news/university/how-social-media-is-influencing-gen-zs-political-views/
https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2008/12/14/scenario-2-the-internet-and-the-evolution-of-social-tolerance/
Social media can provide benefits for some youth by providing positive community and connection with others who share identities, abilities, and interests. It can provide access to important information and create a space for self-expression.9 The ability to form and maintain friendships online and develop social connections are among the positive effects of social media use for youth.18, 19 These relationships can afford opportunities to have positive interactions with more diverse peer groups than are available to them offline and can provide important social support to youth.18 The buffering effects against stress that online social support from peers may provide can be especially important for youth who are often marginalized, including racial, ethnic, and sexual and gender minorities.20, 21, 22 For example, studies have shown that social media may support the mental health and well-being of lesbian, gay, bisexual, asexual, transgender, queer, intersex and other youths by enabling peer connection, identity development and management, and social support.23 Seven out of ten adolescent girls of color report encountering positive or identity-affirming content related to race across social media platforms.24 A majority of adolescents report that social media helps them feel more accepted (58%), like they have people who can support them through tough times (67%), like they have a place to show their creative side (71%), and more connected to whats going on in their friends lives (80%).25 In addition, research suggests that social media-based and other digitally-based mental health interventions may also be helpful for some children and adolescents by promoting help-seeking behaviors and serving as a gateway to initiating mental health care.

The results of our study indicate that social media platform features, such as utility and aesthetic appeal, significantly impact the knowledge-sharing behavior of students. Higher education institutions should consider these findings when developing social media initiatives to promote knowledge sharing. Furthermore, our research provides a framework for examining the influence of social media on student learning and motivation, which can be applied in future research studies. Overall, our study adds to the growing body of literature on using social media in higher education and provides valuable insights for educators and practitioners seeking to enhance student learning outcomes through social media. The study used exploratory and confirmatory factor analysis to determine the presence of workable correlation coefficients and to evaluate the fit of the proposed model. The results show that knowledge formation and reputation significantly influence students knowledge-sharing behavior. Social media use and student learning motivation are crucial in facilitating effective knowledge sharing.
The authors concluded that social media could provide both challenges and opportunities for students and that it is up to them to make the most of this technology to enhance knowledge exchange among peers. However, the study also found that students can become easily distracted by the recreational and commercial features of the site. The studys results contradict the assumption made by other researchers that social media use is detrimental to college students performance in learning. Instead, the analysis revealed that social media features such as document sharing could facilitate student participation, improve student knowledge formation, and offset the potential distractions and adverse effects of the more entertaining features of social media.


Whether the negatives outweigh the positives are arguments that can be had but they shouldn't be made by the government, especially not the the current polarized and tech-illiterate one.


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RetuenOfDevsman
03/08/24 3:30:59 PM
#89:


TheMikh posted...
no

tiktok is a symptom of the problem
Now I'm picturing global society at the doctor's office explaining that Tiktok is a thing, and the doctor is like "did... did you say Tiktok?" Then he leaves, pretending he needs to talk to the nurse and just stands in the hallway for ten minutes sweating nervously.
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LightningThief
03/08/24 3:33:48 PM
#90:


ImagineUsngAlts posted...
Whether the negatives outweigh the positives are arguments that can be had but they shouldn't be made by the government, especially not the the current polarized and tech-illiterate one.
I feel like on on repeat now.

No where did my post talk in favor about the government banning shit. I've repeated this now several times, and has been made clear several times in this topic.
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dancing_cactuar
03/08/24 3:37:38 PM
#91:


Scratch off "in the US". Fucking Thanos snap it out of existence.

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ClayGuida
03/08/24 3:38:35 PM
#92:


No, and only because Republicans do and they're wrong like 99% of the time and I won't assume this is the 1 in 100.

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NeonOPPAl
03/08/24 3:42:28 PM
#93:


RetuenOfDevsman posted...
Now I'm picturing global society at the doctor's office explaining that Tiktok is a thing, and the doctor is like "did... did you say Tiktok?" Then he leaves, pretending he needs to talk to the nurse and just stands in the hallway for ten minutes swearing nervously.
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CheshireSimper
03/08/24 3:52:46 PM
#94:


LightningThief posted...
They aren't making a point when responding to my post. I made it very clear I wasn't arguing to ban Tiktok. So if she's pivoting to the internet, she's pivoting to a stance I never argued.

I read that post as "TikTok is not the problem, it exists across the entire internet".
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xlr_big-coop
03/08/24 3:55:59 PM
#95:


First option read my mind, shit's cancer for the mind. People look like they're hypnotized by it, mindlessly swiping to consume more and more random shit.

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NeonOPPAl
03/08/24 5:29:37 PM
#96:


Bump

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NeonOPPAl
03/08/24 9:11:22 PM
#97:


Damn, 230+ votes, and nearly 150 of them are for yes it's cancer lol

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ProfOaksAide
03/08/24 9:22:51 PM
#98:


Its not just the harmful effects of social media

But also the fact that its literally Chinese spy malware and propaganda machine

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