Current Events > 10.6% of Gen Z males identify as LGBTQ

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d6e30a6b.jpg

And each generation feels more comfortable being open about their sexual identities. <3

https://news.gallup.com/poll/611864/lgbtq-identification.aspx

The 0.1 boomer male lesbian is Eddie Izzard

Millennials walked so gen Z could run.

Makes you wonder how many are in older generations but have just given up or resigned themselves to silence due to what they grew up with

bnui_ransder posted...

Makes you wonder how many are in older generations but have just given up or resigned themselves to silence due to what they grew up with

Bingo

bnui_ransder posted...

Makes you wonder how many are in older generations but have just given up or resigned themselves to silence due to what they grew up with

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Or having the feeling, even acting on it, but not considering themselves Gay or Bi.

I have a friend at work that tells me stories all the time of guys that he hooks up that say they aren't bi, they just like to hook up with other men from time to time. But since they have no interest in being an an actual relationship with one, they still consider themselves straight.

bnui_ransder posted...

Makes you wonder how many are in older generations but have just given up or resigned themselves to silence due to what they grew up with

Yeah it's an interesting topic to think about. We've been pigeonholed into very narrow gender and sexual identities for so long

bigblu89 posted...

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Or having the feeling, even acting on it, but not considering themselves Gay or Bi.

I have a friend at work that tells me stories all the time of guys that he hooks up that say they aren't bi, they just like to hook up with other men from time to time. But since they have no interest in being an an actual relationship with one, they still consider themselves straight.

Probably don't even realize it and were hard-coded to want to be "normal" sadly

bigblu89 posted...

I have a friend at work that tells me stories all the time of guys that he hooks up that say they aren't bi, they just like to hook up with other men from time to time. But since they have no interest in being an an actual relationship with one, they still consider themselves straight.

Definitely there are people who have some internalized homophobia / biphobia there, but I do think sexuality is complicated enough that someone can be straight and have sex with men even though that can sound ridiculous

Obviously previous generations like the silent and the boomers are much more prevalent than the data shows but I was surprised to see almost 30% on the womens Gen Z side. I wonder what this number would be on both women and men if there was total acceptance without absolutely any negative impact? Would it be the majority?

I imagine the mens side lags behind the womens side because it seems like people are much more accepting of bisexual women than men for whatever reason.

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around how a man can be a lesbian. Do they mean biological males who are trans women and also like women?

That's awesome to hear.

pokedude900 posted...

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around how a man can be a lesbian. Do they mean biological males who are trans women and also like women?

Some trans men still identify as lesbians after transition. Trans women are not "biological males," that is pseudoscientific and transphobic terminology.

how many of those women are bisexual but exclusively date men

CSCA33 posted...

Some trans men still identify as lesbians after transition. Trans women are not "biological males," that is pseudoscientific and transphobic terminology.

I apologize if I'm ignorant on the matter here, and I'm being completely sincere when I ask this, but how is that transphobic? There's a difference between sex and gender, no? The idea of a trans person as opposed to a cis person doesn't make sense if that distinction doesn't exist. Is there another term I should be using instead?

pokedude900 posted...

I apologize if I'm ignorant on the matter here, and I'm being completely sincere when I ask this, but how is that transphobic? There's a difference between sex and gender, no? The idea of a trans person as opposed to a cis person doesn't make sense if that distinction doesn't exist. Is there another term I should be using instead?

assigned male at birth, or AMAB, usually works.

AlephZero posted...

how many of those women are bisexual but exclusively date men

i have never met a bisexual woman who exclusively dates men. You may be noticing they date men MORE, and thats partially because its so much easier and societally enforced. Men approach them more, etc. every bi woman I know panics when trying to flirt with other women. Kind of like how I have no idea how to hit on men.

AlephZero posted...

how many of those women are bisexual but exclusively date men

strange thing to ask

Zonbei posted...

i have never met a bisexual woman who exclusively dates men.

My wife. But she hadn't dated many men either.

pokedude900 posted...

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around how a man can be a lesbian. Do they mean biological males who are trans women and also like women?

The language is a little dated but here's Eddie izzard trying to explain it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_kvXeMv-2k

anttttt posted...

strange thing to ask

its just good old bi erasure

pokedude900 posted...

I apologize if I'm ignorant on the matter here, and I'm being completely sincere when I ask this, but how is that transphobic? There's a difference between sex and gender, no? The idea of a trans person as opposed to a cis person doesn't make sense if that distinction doesn't exist. Is there another term I should be using instead?

Biological males is a well known transphobic dog whistle where the word biological is slapped onto things to appropriate an air of scientific authority. This is not an actual medical or scientific term, however. All people are biological. Male and female as labels for biological sex are a social construct, first and foremost, and are frequently used interchangeably with gender. Sex and gender have distinctions but they are not wholly unrelated concepts, and saying they are separate can be misleading depending on the context.

A woman who has medically / legally transitioned is scientifically, medically, biologically, and legally female. When seeing a doctor for example, using terms like male is misleading and actually harmful. This is not to even begin getting into other facets of transphobia with calling trans women male or biologically male.

Theres a lot more in-depth exploration of this topic but thats a surface level examination to help you get started.

Im sure you can find resources online to help educate yourself as well as to why its incorrect, harmful, and transphobic to refer to women who are trans as males or biological male.

Zonbei posted...

i have never met a bisexual woman who exclusively dates men.

I've met a significant amount in the Bay and in LA. Granted it's not framed like that. My colleague is bi and has had some moments with other girls, but never dated another woman. Not out of principle either. It just happens that she's simply never dated nor tried to date another woman. She just thinks girls are hot and enjoys getting it on with them when the opportunity arises.

CSCA33 posted...

Biological males is a well known transphobic dog whistle where the word biological is slapped onto things to appropriate an air of scientific authority. This is not an actual medical or scientific term, however. All people are biological. Male and female as labels for biological sex are a social construct, first and foremost, and are frequently used interchangeably with gender. Sex and gender have distinctions but they are not wholly unrelated concepts, and saying they are separate can be misleading depending on the context.

A woman who has medically / legally transitioned is scientifically, medically, biologically, and legally female. When seeing a doctor for example, using terms like male is misleading and actually harmful. This is not to even begin getting into other facets of transphobia with calling trans women male or biologically male.

Theres a lot more in-depth exploration of this topic but thats a surface level examination to help you get started.

Im sure you can find resources online to help educate yourself as well as to why its incorrect, harmful, and transphobic to refer to women who are trans as males or biological male.

I appreciate the explanation, and I'll try and research this on my own time, but I'm still confused by this part. Male vs. female in a biological sense is a matter of one's reproductive organs. Trans men are not born with penises. So is it really not correct to say they are biologically female, especially if they have yet to transition?

I'm trying to be very careful with my wording here because I know actual transphobes might make similar arguments in bad faith. But this is genuinely new territory for me.

That's awesome. The better we treat people, the better our society will be.

I personally just don't even think about it. Nobody gets offended, I don't feel confused, easy.

Referring to women who are trans as male, biologically male, or men is usually a moddable offense on gamefaqs (context dependent.)

And vice versa for men who are trans.

pokedude900 posted...

I appreciate the explanation, and I'll try and research this on my own time, but I'm still confused by this part. Male vs. female in a biological sense is a matter of one's reproductive organs. Trans men are not born with penises. So is it really not correct to say they are biologically female, especially if they have yet to transition?

I'm trying to be very careful with my wording here because I know actual transphobes might make similar arguments in bad faith. But this is genuinely new territory for me.

Sex is more complicated than that, and not everyone fits into a neat little box constructed by society. There are cisgender people who dont perfectly fit into the social construct of male or female but we dont typically misgender them out of ignorance and malice.

More to your question, a trans guy may or may not refer to himself as male, or may still use female. Transition is a personal journey and goes at the speed of the individual. In the context of a medical visit, he may still visit a gynecologist and may be listed as male or female, with notes about any medications. Typically there are terms to specific body parts like uterus, ovaries, etc.

With taking testosterone as part of hormone therapy, a trans man can grow his own natural penis, or in rare cases may pursue surgery. This is more complex and not as advanced as vaginoplasty for trans women, which are for practical purposes indistinguishable from cisgender women without a cervix exam.

pokedude900 posted...

Male vs. female in a biological sense is a matter of one's reproductive organs. Trans men are not born with penises. So is it really not correct to say they are biologically female, especially if they have yet to transition?

Biology is weird ok

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_M%C3%BCllerian_duct_syndrome

Thanks, both of you. Again, this is kinda new to me, so sorry for my ignorance. I'll be more careful about my terminology on this matter from now on.

pokedude900 posted...

Thanks, both of you. Again, this is kinda new to me, so sorry for my ignorance. I'll be more careful about my terminology on this matter from now on.

George Carlin had my favorite quote on this.

"They say life begins at conception. I say life began about a billion years ago and it's a continual process."

It's natural to want to compartmentalize everything, biology included, but the reality is far more murky and muddled. People want biology to be like salt & pepper shakers but it's more like someone dumped both of them into a table and mixed them up and no matter how hard you try to separate the two again you'll never get it just right. There's always gonna be the one exception you missed.