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SocialistGamer
03/31/24 2:15:39 PM
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Hmm??

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Crimsoness
03/31/24 2:18:15 PM
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Who says Stellar Babe is bad?

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Smashingpmkns
03/31/24 2:18:52 PM
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Idk I feel like 2B got quite a bit of flack for the time the game came out. But those games also came out when that type of character was the norm.

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DrizztLink
03/31/24 2:19:33 PM
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Because Bayonetta and N:A are actually a good games.

66% of Bayonetta to be fair

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ellis123
03/31/24 2:20:53 PM
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Who in the world is saying that she's bad? Or is this more of the coomer nonsense?

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Iodine
03/31/24 2:22:05 PM
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Crimsoness posted...
Who says Stellar Babe is bad?

ellis123 posted...
Who in the world is saying that she's bad? Or is this more of the coomer nonsense?


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Seaman_Prime
03/31/24 2:23:15 PM
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She is a baddie
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SocialistGamer
03/31/24 2:23:57 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Who in the world is saying that she's bad? Or is this more of the coomer nonsense?
Go look on Resetera

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Ilishe
03/31/24 2:24:40 PM
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SocialistGamer posted...
Go look on Resetera

No, don't. Never go look on Resetera. It's the hurt anus of the Internet.

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ReiRei89
03/31/24 2:24:49 PM
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If there's any criticism its more that their games are actually fun while so far Stellar Blade looks and plays like a Souls game with a hot chick protag pasted in.

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ellis123
03/31/24 2:26:43 PM
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SocialistGamer posted...
Go look on Resetera
No. Stop whining about crap on ResetEra, it's embarassing. It's like pointing out a crappy position on one of the 'Chans: yes you can literally find someone saying literally anything, but that doesn't mean jack crap. No one cares, quit running to whatever boogie-man site you can find to get offended.

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ItsNotA2Mer
03/31/24 2:34:46 PM
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SocialistGamer posted...
Go look on Resetera

No thanks.

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Turbam
03/31/24 2:39:27 PM
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Bayo = Steve Austin
2B = The Rock
Eve = Gillberg

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DrizztLink
03/31/24 2:40:07 PM
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SocialistGamer posted...
Go look on Resetera
Then go ask on Resetera.

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MaxEffingBemis
03/31/24 2:48:22 PM
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SocialistGamer posted...
Go look on Resetera

SocialistGamer posted...
Go look on Resetera
I heard resetera was pretty positive about this game

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hereforemnant
03/31/24 4:06:56 PM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
I heard resetera was pretty positive about this game
Yeah OP is BS'ing. There's a nonsensical culture war about the Korean dev team bringing sexy woman back to gaming because the wokes don't like them & such nonsense, but overall most are pretty positive with it
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Necronmon
03/31/24 4:09:28 PM
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Bayo = Steve Austin
2B = The Rock
Eve = Gillberg

What does that make Samus and Lara Croff?
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Raiden2909
03/31/24 4:10:49 PM
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most people dont care about the design beyond thinking it might be over the top but are waiting to play the full game

The only people screaming about how "WOKE-SJW's" are hating her and out to get this game are the Anti-woke Brainrot trolls that all seem to have a persecution complex and think anything less then Eve's design is ugly
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ellis123
03/31/24 4:11:05 PM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
I heard resetera was pretty positive about this game
Dang, so it was coomer brainrot the entire time.

I never would have guessed.

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YellowSUV
03/31/24 4:32:51 PM
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Bayonetta came out way before culture war crap was more common. Nier Automata was released just before it started to really snowball into a big thing.

The creator of 2B also asked for porn of her so that pretty much shut down people who thought they could make the creator change her design.


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Turbam
03/31/24 5:10:48 PM
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Necronmon posted...
What does that make Samus and Lara Croff?
Dude Love and Cactus Jack

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NinjaWarrior455
03/31/24 5:16:09 PM
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It doesn't help that a lot of the anti-woke culture wars nonsense it basically signal boosted by Elon's shitty app. The amount of garbage that pops up in my feed when I've never engaged with that kind of content before is astounding.

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ssb_yunglink2
03/31/24 5:20:24 PM
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I personally just dont like egregious fan service in my games. For people who like it, cool.

The other, and more annoying issue, is the group who have latched onto the game solely because of how Eve looks. A combination of coomers and right wingers opposing THE WOKE have created an absolute monstrosity of a fanbase and love this game

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angeleyes94
03/31/24 5:27:38 PM
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Those games come from a different time. It's 2024 for ***** sake.

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bnui_ransder
03/31/24 5:33:32 PM
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2b was and still is criticized a bunch

A lot of people even just disregarded the game completely and blamed the character

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CrimsonGear80
03/31/24 5:43:22 PM
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Crimsoness posted...
Who says Stellar Babe is bad?

the fake "woke" people the TC made up in his head

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RadDude9000
03/31/24 6:09:13 PM
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CrimsonGear80 posted...
the fake "woke" people the TC made up in his head
That IGN article is fake?

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Dakimakura
03/31/24 6:10:15 PM
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They should make a game with all three of them. And there is a lot of action going on.

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DrizztLink
03/31/24 6:10:48 PM
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CrimsonGear80 posted...
the fake "woke" people the TC made up in his head
MarthGoomba is a fake woke person?

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Umbreon
03/31/24 6:14:16 PM
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"Why are people upset about [thing]?"

*Literally Restera*

Stop looking for controversy.

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ssjevot
03/31/24 6:44:36 PM
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Your premise doesn't make sense. The upset people you point to are on ResetEra, but those same people also had the same issues with Bayonetta and 2B. They were always upset with female character designs like this, this is just the newest example.

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MaxEffingBemis
03/31/24 7:03:22 PM
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Tc is literally just inventing people to get mad at. Go outside and touch grass. Talk to some actual human beings

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SpiritSephiroth
03/31/24 7:05:17 PM
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Both Bayonetta and 2B got shit on by the "journalists". The Bayonetta one died down after a while when they found out it was actually a women who designed her and Yoko Taro flat out admitted he just likes hot women when they went after him.

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Calwings
03/31/24 7:17:32 PM
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I've definitely seen people complain that Eve's design is "unrealistic" (which is ridiculous because she's a literal 3D scan of a real-life Korean model) or "too sexualized", but I've seen more people complaining about the above complainers being "woke SJW's" than I've actually seen the above complainers complaining about the game itself.

So it seems to me like the complaints do exist, they're just being blown way out of proportion.

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dancing_cactuar
03/31/24 7:26:56 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Who in the world is saying that she's bad? Or is this more of the coomer nonsense?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/264562-playstation-5/80735103

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Umbreon
03/31/24 7:36:10 PM
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The PS5 board... how to put this delicately...

Is almost exclusively awful takes.

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Mad-Dogg
03/31/24 7:38:42 PM
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dancing_cactuar posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/264562-playstation-5/80735103
That topic was made by some lazy troll that already had their account nuked by the time it started slowing down, so it shouldn't be used as any kind of example for.....well, anything really lol.

*Won't deny that the PS5 boards tend to stink in general though since its the most popular board and a gathering place for derp to collide.*

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CARRRNE_ASADA
03/31/24 7:38:51 PM
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More like, why are some people getting so offended by the MC design when there werent such vocal complaints about bayonetta or Nier.

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creativerealms
03/31/24 7:46:05 PM
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Is TC trying to manufacture A controversy using a joke web site?

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Dakimakura
03/31/24 7:48:18 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Is TC trying to manufacture A controversy using a joke web site?

Yes, but that is most of CE.

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Doe
03/31/24 7:54:25 PM
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Anita Sarkeesian criticized Bayonetta in Bayo 1 as being a sexual object for the male audience first and a character second, which was true.

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Mad-Dogg
03/31/24 8:00:43 PM
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Eh, It'd argue bayonetta was much more about female empowerment what with how confident and in-control/overpowering she was compared to whoever she was up against. Back when that game first released on the 360/PS3g there was actually a good bit of gamers that was complaining about her looks/her hairstyle. (Same with bayo 1 jeanne). It wasn't like it was just a gamefaqs thing either....I remember coming across those kind of librarian/eh/looks old etc. complaints about her on places like neogaf and reddit.

One of those derpy topics is still archived on the bayo 1 boards since gamefaqs goes as far back as 2008.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/946346-bayonetta/51747339

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BakonBitz
03/31/24 8:11:22 PM
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IGN actually unironically says this in one of their articles. IGN France I think? But they say that Bayonetta and 2B were "fine" but Eve is indicative of "someone who never saw a woman." Without, you know, doing the research to find out that the Stellar Blade dev has been happily married for a decade and a lot of the women designs in his games were from his wife, who's also beautiful.

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ironman2009
03/31/24 8:11:57 PM
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BakonBitz posted...
IGN actually unironically says this in one of their articles. IGN France I think? But they say that Bayonetta and 2B were "fine" but Eve is indicative of "someone who never saw a woman." Without, you know, doing the research to find out that the Stellar Blade dev has been happily married for a decade and a lot of the women designs in his games were from his wife, who's also beautiful.

it was ign france.

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Mad-Dogg
03/31/24 8:19:02 PM
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*Actually looks up the IGN france thing since I missed that.*

*Sees the IGN france writer Ben Ossola's insult to the stellar blade director/artist Hyung Tae Kim
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*Sees stellar blade director/artist's wife, concept artist Jiyun Chae*

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CrimsonGear80
03/31/24 8:25:05 PM
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I find it funny that people get upset when some may not like an overly sexualized anime character design but DEMAND absolute respect and fealty when they complain about "western" female characters being "too ugly"...


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Doe
03/31/24 8:30:32 PM
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Mad-Dogg posted...
Eh, It'd argue bayonetta was much more about female empowerment what with how confident kamiya made her out to be and in-control/overpowering she was compared to whoever she was up against.
"Woman has superpowers" is a really superficial form of 'female empowerment'. Female empowerment is about women having substantial credibility and decision-making opportunities in society, including that empowerment being represented in media. Which ironically, Bayonetta was frequently used as a cudgel against women who complained that gaming was a misogynistic space in ~2009. "This game has a female character that kicks ass so how can SJWs complain that games objectify women / etc?"

And of course with these female characters that did kick ass it was so frequently in the same was as "she uses her sexuality as a WEAPON!" Very convenient. Bayonetta happens to wear her hair as clothes and it has to peel off for her to do her big attacks lol. The credits of Bayo 1 has her dance on a stripper pole. I'm not trying to shit on Kamiya or anything, and there are good points to Bayonetta especially as the series goes on. Bayo 2 is one of my favorite games ever. But the primary function of her design was for dudes to ogle it, not for women to feel actualized seeing her.

As to some people complaining they thought Bayonetta was ugly, that doesn't speak to Bayonetta not being designed to be sexy to men. If anything it just shows how the game's presentation of her conditioned players to view her as a sex object for their titillation and then talked about whether she satisfied their preferences. This is the box art lmao, doesn't even show her face just her huge ass.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/af8f1695.jpg

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03/31/24 8:31:19 PM
#48:


CrimsonGear80 posted...
the fake "woke" people the TC made up in his head

Twitter and Resetera might be fake as hell, but I think they still count as having real mass.

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deoxxys
03/31/24 8:34:13 PM
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People missed topic acting like Microsoft didn't just address developers and tell them not to make them unrealistically body proportioned, which to them means any slight degree of bustiness.

If they were referring to this;
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1db02981.jpg
being an exaggerated body type than I would be okay with it but they mean any mild level of hotness sadly.

Also I'm hearing that insider news from a developer says that Microsoft now won't fund any game unless it has a degree of consulting like SBI

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CrimsonGear80
03/31/24 8:44:31 PM
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deoxxys posted...
People missed topic acting like Microsoft didn't just address developers and tell them not to make them unrealistically body proportioned, which to them means any slight degree of bustiness.

is there a source for these guidelines apparently written down by MS?

did they straight-up tell them NOT to make games like that? is there a source that says this?

deoxxys posted...
Also I'm hearing that insider news from a developer says that Microsoft now won't fund any game unless it has a degree of consulting like SBI

which developer?

sorry, but people just making shit up when it comes to this "issue" just irks me a ton so I need to see actual sources if you want me to take this seriously.

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