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Sandalorn
05/06/24 5:43:00 PM
#401:


King_Rial posted...
I really interested on what kind of defense they could put on when Trump has already practically admitted to all of this, and every single person who testifies corroborates it. Just a bunch of "nuh uh"s for a week and a half?


All they have is to discredit Cohen. That has always been the entirety of their case.

Hard to do anything else when the receipts are actually written down.
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darkace77450
05/06/24 5:50:49 PM
#402:


https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112380543524874769

ARREST DERANGED JACK SMITH. HE IS A CRIMINAL!
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darkace77450
05/06/24 5:53:08 PM
#403:


Sandalorn posted...
All they have is to discredit Cohen. That has always been the entirety of their case.

I've heard legal analysts say Cohen's being called last to corroborate the testimony of other, more credible witnesses, that he's not integral to the case. That begs the question as to why they're calling him at all, but that's their opinion.
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CableZL
05/06/24 5:55:21 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
I've heard legal analysts say Cohen's being called last to corroborate the testimony of other, more credible witnesses, that he's not integral to the case. That begs the question as to why they're calling him at all, but that's their opinion.
IMO, it would just be a final corroboration for things since he was the one who sent the hush money payment. The defense can try to discredit Cohen, but they've got receipts. So it's not like they're just going off of his word alone.

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Cemith
05/06/24 7:15:18 PM
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CableZL posted...
IMO, it would just be a final corroboration for things since he was the one who sent the hush money payment. The defense can try to discredit Cohen, but they've got receipts. So it's not like they're just going off of his word alone.

So what's the over/under if Trump is actually convicted in July? Probably just house arrest?

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BewmHedshot
05/06/24 7:18:45 PM
#406:


Cemith posted...
So what's the over/under if Trump is actually convicted in July? Probably just house arrest?
He's an elderly first time offender (in the eyes of the law, anyway) so yeah zero chance he sees the inside of a prison cell unless he keeps intimidating witnesses on Truth Social.
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Tyranthraxus
05/06/24 7:18:51 PM
#407:


Cemith posted...
So what's the over/under if Trump is actually convicted in July? Probably just house arrest?
Very low chance he gets any jail time for this trial. It would be highly unusual and almost certainly overruled on appeal. Hopefully the judge gives him some probation that he's basically guaranteed to violate instead.

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Heineken14
05/06/24 7:20:20 PM
#408:


CableZL posted...
IMO, it would just be a final corroboration for things since he was the one who sent the hush money payment. The defense can try to discredit Cohen, but they've got receipts. So it's not like they're just going off of his word alone.

I'd think that and also the idea that someone HAS gone to jail for the thing Donnie is being accused of.

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BewmHedshot
05/06/24 7:26:15 PM
#409:


darkace77450 posted...
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112380543524874769
ARREST DERANGED JACK SMITH. HE IS A CRIMINAL!

I fully expect the MAGAverse to make this out to be worse than Trump's actual crime.
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UltimateWing
05/06/24 7:33:37 PM
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https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1787590862836473881

If anything, we get photos like this one.

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divot1338
05/06/24 7:33:51 PM
#412:


darkace77450 posted...
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112380543524874769
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/80bec41e.jpg
I thought that vertical stripes were supposed to be slimming. They actually make Trump look fatter.

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BewmHedshot
05/06/24 7:35:43 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

The boxes of classified shit are no longer in the exact same order they were when seized, because people have looked through them.

Trump's defense is likely to include claims that they were ordered chronologically from when Trump originally received them, and White House staff just shipped all the crap to him without looking through it for classified info, and thus he didn't "willfully retain" it. Since the ordering is destroyed now this defense is even less likely to work than it used to be.
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Bandit_Keith
05/06/24 7:40:11 PM
#414:


Tyranthraxus posted...
It would be highly unusual and almost certainly overruled on appeal.
Doesn't seem unusual. Prison time is on the books for such a crime. What would be the basis of the appeal? I mean, I'm sure he won't get any time for this, but what would be the reason an appellate court would overturn a sentencing that is within the guidelines?

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thronedfire2
05/06/24 7:41:11 PM
#415:


Bandit_Keith posted...
Doesn't seem unusual. Prison time is on the books for such a crime. What would be the basis of the appeal? I mean, I'm sure he won't get any time for this, but what would be the reason an appellate court would overturn a sentencing that is within the guidelines?

the fact that he's accepted the fines with no contest should make it much easier to prove that he's already admitted to being in contempt of court 10+ times

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Bandit_Keith
05/06/24 7:42:19 PM
#416:


thronedfire2 posted...
the fact that he's accepted the fines with no contest should make it much easier to prove that he's already admitted to being in contempt of court 10+ times
Yeah, but I think they are talking about a conviction, not a contempt of court jailing.

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thronedfire2
05/06/24 7:44:23 PM
#417:


Bandit_Keith posted...
Yeah, but I think they are talking about a conviction, not a contempt of court jailing.

oh, woops

I can't keep track of all his crimes anymore :|

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Tyranthraxus
05/06/24 7:45:22 PM
#418:


Bandit_Keith posted...
Doesn't seem unusual. Prison time is on the books for such a crime. What would be the basis of the appeal? I mean, I'm sure he won't get any time for this, but what would be the reason an appellate court would overturn a sentencing that is within the guidelines?

Within the boundaries of the maximum allowable punishment isn't the same thing as within guidelines. There's generally a history for these crimes indicating what kind of sentences people usually get for a first time conviction and jail time is a pretty extreme sentence. Even if found guilty on all counts, the maximum possible jail time is 4 years.

It's a lot harder to weasel your way out of violating probation though.

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Bandit_Keith
05/06/24 7:52:04 PM
#419:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Within the boundaries of the maximum allowable punishment isn't the same thing as within guidelines. There's generally a history for these crimes indicating what kind of sentences people usually get for a first time conviction and jail time is a pretty extreme sentence. Even if found guilty on all counts, the maximum possible jail time is 4 years.

It's a lot harder to weasel your way out of violating probation though.
According to the New York Times, the analysis from Eisen says 1 in 10 get jail time for this conviction under Bragg in New York.

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nocturnal_traveler
05/06/24 8:07:10 PM
#420:


Even if Trump ends up in a white collar prison, I'll be more satisfied than if they decide to just put him in house arrest.

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littlebro07
05/07/24 8:19:49 AM
#421:


lock him up

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05/07/24 9:01:33 AM
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UnsteadyOwl
05/07/24 9:23:23 AM
#422:


Has Trump violated the gag order again yet or does it look like he might behave himself this time?

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bluezero
05/07/24 9:27:55 AM
#423:


He's incapable of behaving himself. But he'll also never see jail time.

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jefffan
05/07/24 9:39:10 AM
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Stormy is going to testify today.

Should be fun.

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MLBloomy
05/07/24 9:39:46 AM
#425:


Maybe his lawyers told him if he had to go to jail for contempt, he wouldn't have access to his makeup and have to go out in public without it to attend the trial.
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Starks
05/07/24 9:40:45 AM
#426:


jefffan posted...
Stormy is going to testify today.

Should be fun.
He has to just sit there while sex he still refuses to admit to is sworn under oath. I hope he has an outburst.

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mystic_belmont
05/07/24 9:49:20 AM
#427:


MLBloomy posted...
Maybe his lawyers told him if he had to go to jail for contempt, he wouldn't have access to his makeup and have to go out in public without it to attend the trial.

I suspect the first jail contempt violation will be 48 hours (end of Friday, released Sunday evening).

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UnsteadyOwl
05/07/24 9:57:30 AM
#428:


mystic_belmont posted...
I suspect the first jail contempt violation will be 48 hours (end of Friday, released Sunday evening).
But will he be able to get McDonald's in jail?

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Takuya_Lee
05/07/24 9:59:02 AM
#429:


UnsteadyOwl posted...
But will he be able to get McDonald's in jail?

The jail version maybe. Or snuggled in.

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mystic_belmont
05/07/24 10:00:27 AM
#430:


https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-hush-money-trial-05-07-24/index.html

Prosecutors introduce a second Trump book
Prosecutors have now moved on to another Trump book, "Trump: Think like a Billionaire: Everything You Need to Know About Success, Real Estate, and Life."
"When youre working with a decorator make sure to ask to see all the invoices," a portion of the book's text reads.
"Decorators are by nature honest people, but you should be double-checking regardless," the text continues.

This is very smart. Show that Trump always micro-manages.

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divot1338
05/07/24 10:00:39 AM
#431:


Ms Daniels, which of these pictures of mushrooms would you say most resembles the defendants penis.

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GranAures
05/07/24 10:08:34 AM
#432:


divot1338 posted...
Ms Daniels, which of these pictures of mushrooms would you say most resembles the defendants penis.
"Your Honor, I prepped for this question. May I supply my own image?" - Stormy Daniels

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CableZL
05/07/24 10:15:22 AM
#433:


https://twitter.com/AnnaBower/status/1787842220042629144

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CableZL
05/07/24 10:34:11 AM
#434:


https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/status/1787852893132845294

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bluezero
05/07/24 10:34:58 AM
#435:


Herewego.gif

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darkace77450
05/07/24 11:05:26 AM
#436:


He didn't last a day before violating the gag order again.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4648421-trump-truth-social-posts-hush-money-criminal-trial/

Former President Trump appeared to delete a social media post Tuesday morning complaining that his legal team did not have adequate time to prepare for the next witness in the hush money criminal trial, within an hour of initially posting it.

In his statement posted at 7:30 a.m. on his Truth Social platform, Trump said he has just recently been told who the witness is today.

This is unprecedented, no time for lawyers to prepare, the former president wrote in the now-deleted post. No Judge has ever run a trial in such a biased and partisan way.

He also proceeded to attack the judge in the case.

He is CROOKED & HIGHLY CONFLICTED, even taking away my First Amendment Rights. Now hes threatening me with JAIL & THEY HAVE NO CASE -This according to virtually all Legal Scholars & Experts! Why isnt the Fake News Media reporting his Conflict? Trump said.
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Cemith
05/07/24 11:20:44 AM
#437:


CableZL posted...
https://twitter.com/AnnaBower/status/1787842220042629144

Got to love the sense of humor

CableZL posted...
https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/status/1787852893132845294

God I hope hers is enough to bury him.

darkace77450 posted...
He didn't last a day before violating the gag order again.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4648421-trump-truth-social-posts-hush-money-criminal-trial/

Let's see if Merchan makes good on his contempt rulings.

$1000 isn't shit to a millionaire.

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darkace77450
05/07/24 11:23:15 AM
#438:


https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-hush-money-trial-05-07-24/h_2c244ec93db7f45443519c9bf1a0433c

Stormy Daniels shrugs as she mentions she had a "very brief" conversation with Trump about his wife, Melania.

She says she asked Trump about Melania and told him she was very beautiful. She recalls Trump saying, "We dont sleep in the same room."

Trump closed his eyes, shook his head and murmured to his attorneys at the defense table as she said this.

I hope this makes its way to Melania. Not that she cares enough to leave his ass, but I want her to know that we know she's only sticking with Trump for the money.
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/07/24 11:26:53 AM
#440:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
I have to imagine the inevitable next violation is what will do him in.

In fact, his next Truth Social is probably gonna be him bringing up that CORRUPT Judge Merchan wants to throw him in jail

He is CROOKED & HIGHLY CONFLICTED, even taking away my First Amendment Rights. Now hes threatening me with JAIL & THEY HAVE NO CASE -This according to virtually all Legal Scholars & Experts! Why isnt the Fake News Media reporting his Conflict? Trump said.


Did I not call this one??

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UnsteadyOwl
05/07/24 11:43:31 AM
#441:


Lock him up.

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littlebro07
05/07/24 11:52:52 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6cab19f1.jpg


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littlebro07
05/07/24 11:53:26 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4bde35fe.png

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RchHomieQuanChi
05/07/24 11:53:41 AM
#444:


That sounds like the most disgusting imagery imaginable.

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darkace77450
05/07/24 11:53:54 AM
#445:


https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-hush-money-trial-05-07-24/index.html

Trump showed Stormy Daniels a magazine cover he was pictured on and she testified that she told him she hadn't seen it.

"Not like I made a habit of reading financial magazines as a 27-year-old stripper," she says on the stand.

Daniels says she snapped at him. "Are you always this rude? Are you always this arrogant and pompous? You dont even know how to have a conversation," she recalls. She testified she spanked him with the magazine "right on the butt."

Trump mouthed something to himself as she told the story, looking annoyed.

I don't know what relevance this has to the trial, but if it pisses off and/or embarrasses Trump, I'm here for it.
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Takuya_Lee
05/07/24 11:57:35 AM
#446:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
That sounds like the most disgusting imagery imaginable.

Yeah.... I need the MiB Neutralizer after that....

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CableZL
05/07/24 11:59:54 AM
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Seems like she's going into a lot more details about stuff than the judge wanted

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darkace77450
05/07/24 12:02:27 PM
#448:


CableZL posted...
Seems like she's going into a lot more details about stuff than the judge wanted

Does this mean "mushroom penis" isn't going to be admitted into the court transcript?
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CableZL
05/07/24 12:06:48 PM
#449:


darkace77450 posted...
Does this mean "mushroom penis" isn't going to be admitted into the court transcript?

It could give an opening for a successful appeal for prejudicial testimony that doesn't have anything to do with what he's being charged with.

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blacklabelice
05/07/24 12:13:12 PM
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in a show of dominance, the north american trump (anus tangerinus) often strips down to his boxers and tells his partner "you remind me of my daughter." before engaging in sexual intercourse.

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