Board 8 > Rate the Ace Attorney case: Turnabout Time Traveler (6-6)

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Rules:

1. Rate each case on a scale from 1 to 10 with 1 being the lowest and 10 being the highest. Anything above 10 gets rounded down to a 10, and anything below a 1 gets rounded up to a 1.
2. Anything beyond one decimal point will be rounded accordingly: .04 and below will be rounded down, .05 and up will be rounded up.
3. You may grade on any criteria you like.
4. You can rate cases from previous topics if you miss a topic.

Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PiEuURt1qf19VoYzcFCU1EFa8uqs2teJiVcip7JmjDw/edit?usp=sharing

Previous Results:

Bridge to the Turnabout (3-5) - 9.8 (37 votes)
Farewell, My Turnabout (2-4) - 9.7 (30 votes)
Turnabout Revolution (6-5) - 9.6 (25 votes)
Turnabout Goodbyes (1-4) - 9.2 (32 votes)
Turnabout Reclaimed (5-6) - 8.8 (23 votes)
The Golden Court (L-3) - 8.6 (14 votes)
The Inherited Turnabout (E2-3) - 8.5 (16 votes)
Turnabout Beginnings (3-4) - 8.4 (26 votes)
The Rite of Turnabout (6-3) - 8.4 (22 votes)
Rise from the Ashes (1-5) - 8.2 (28 votes)
The Stolen Turnabout (3-2) - 8.2 (24 votes)
Turnabout For Tomorrow (5-5) - 7.9 (27 votes)
Turnabout Memories (3-1) - 7.4 (30 votes)
Turnabout Samurai (1-3) - 7.4 (29 votes)
Turnabout Academy (5-3) - 7.4 (27 votes)
The Grand Turnabout (E2-5) - 7.3 (16 votes)
Turnabout Target (E2-1) - 7.1 (17 votes)
Turnabout Trump (4-1) - 6.9 (25 votes)
The Magical Turnabout (6-2) - 6.7 (22 votes)
Recipe for Turnabout (3-3) - 6.6 (27 votes)
The Fire Witch (L-2) - 6.6 (14 votes)
Reunion, and Turnabout (2-2) - 6.5 (25 votes)
The Monstrous Turnabout (5-2) - 6.5 (23 votes)
Turnabout Ablaze (E1-5) - 6.0 (19 votes)
The Cosmic Turnabout (5-4) - 5.9 (24 votes)
Turnabout Sisters (1-2) - 5.7 (25 votes)
Turnabout Reminiscence (E1-4) - 5.6 (22 votes)
Turnabout Storyteller (6-4) - 5.3 (21 votes)
The Imprisoned Turnabout (E2-2) - 5.3 (16 votes)
The Forgotten Turnabout (E2-4) - 5.2 (16 votes)
The Foreign Turnabout (6-1) - 5.0 (23 votes)
Turnabout Visitor (E1-1) - 5.0 (20 votes)
The Final Witch Trial (L-4) - 5.0 (13 votes)
The First Turnabout (1-1) - 4.9 (25 votes)
The Kidnapped Turnabout (E1-3) - 4.6 (22 votes)
English Turnabout (L-1) - 4.3 (14 votes)
Turnabout Airlines (E1-2) - 4.2 (22 votes)
Turnabout Countdown (5-1) - 4.1 (24 votes)
Turnabout Corner (4-2) - 4.0 (25 votes)
Turnabout Big Top (2-3) - 3.7 (25 votes)
Turnabout Succession (4-4) - 3.5 (24 votes)
The Lost Turnabout (2-1) - 3.3 (27 votes)
Turnabout Serenade (4-3) - 2.7 (24 votes)

6-5 was touted as being the best case since the trilogy and it shows. It hits the top 3 overall. Many praised the fact that it's actually two high-quality cases in one, everything regarding Dhurke, and the final revisualization. There were some complaints about how dense the case is and some minor hiccups regarding characterization, but most of those were generally brushed off for everything else.

Summary:

Larry's all too happy to introduce Phoenix to his fiance, but there's just three problems: one, she's not getting married to him, two, she's a murder suspect, and three, she says she can travel through time! Phoenix and Maya take the case to give the bride and groom - and maybe even Larry - a happy ending.

Main Characters: Phoenix Wright, Maya Fey, Athena Cykes, Trucy Wright, Larry Butz, Ema Skye, Miles Edgeworth, The Judge
Other Characters: Ellen Wyatt, Dumas Gloomsbury, Sorin Sprockey, Pierce Nichody, Selena Sprocket

My rating: 2/10. I definitely realized I had Ace Attorney fatigue after this case. I dunno what it is. The long animations, the murder feeling incredibly similar to other murders, and the tiny cast all add to it, but I was just not feeling this case. I seriously try to remember anything about this case and I just think of Ellen wiping the detention center window or Sorin throwing a paper airplane at you. I do like Sorin's story and Pierce is...fine. It's kinda wild that we have like 4 generations of assistants in this case and they all finally meet.

3

Yawn

5.5/10

It's alright I suppose, but I don't remember much. I do appreciate Pierce Nichody name pun, though.

5.5/10

Mostly just for the delight of having a true Phoenix/Maya case again after so long. The rest of the case is fine, albeit predictable.

6.5

My least favorite case in the game.

1/10

The more I think about this case the more it pisses me off, lol. It's a very strong contender with 4-4 and G1-4 for my least favorite case in the series. It's especially disappointing given that the previous game's DLC case was a 10/10 for me, and the previous case in this game was a 10/10 - they just couldn't be further apart in my rankings. Literally two of my top 4 there and then one of my bottom 3.

It just feels like it was written by amateurs. The cast is so terrible and flat that it's completely unworthy of the series. Ellen Wyatt, Sorin Sprocket, and Pierce Nichody all probably make my bottom 10 AA characters list - each one of them is a complete black hole of charisma in a way that's frankly shocking. Larry's return is also depressing - he hasn't changed a bit, in a bad way. He's only become more flanderized since the way he was in AA1. At the beginning of the case I thought maybe he actually found someone he liked who liked him back, good for him! Instead he's just more insane than ever. I hate Larry in this case, and I've never hated him before. It sucks.

The murder is mindnumbingly boring and forgettable. They were really trying to make the 'time travel' twist work but they had to force it super hard with the whole two ceremonies thing - I GUESS this could have been an interesting idea but it just... wasn't? It's super convoluted and doesn't really make sense as a way to trick Sorin at the end of the day. The airship could have been a cool location for a murder I guess but it's somehow not interesting and the steampunk vibes of this case are just bizarre.

The only redeeming quality of this case WOULD be the return of Maya as the sidekick and Edgeworth as the prosecutor but it's honestly just depressing. Like, THIS is what they returned for? This godawful, boring case? Again, it's unworthy of them. Edgeworth has never been the prosecutor of a more boring, lower-stakes case. Maya feels like she's just tagging along here for old time's sake. There's a real sense of the death of the series here, for me - like, oh, we're just reminiscing about how things used to be, but they can't go back to being that way anymore. Everyone feels old here. It's such a depressing vibe after the rest of the game ACTUALLY revives the old magic of the series. I hate it.

The more I rant about this case the more I realize it's easily my least favorite! Every other bad case has some redeeming quality to it that I really like. This has nothing. It just makes me sad.

It just occurred to me that this case makes me feel the way 2-3 and 4-3 makes everyone else feel

Also yes, that means I rated this game's cases the following: 3 7 9 9 10 1

what a contrast

2.7/10

I really don't like this case. It has a few neat ideas, but every new character introduced sucks so bad. I wouldn't mind the defendant so much if her animations weren't so long that they took up 30% of the case. Oh, you mean the only new character that isn't actively on her side the entire time is the culprit? You don't say!

That's really what everything boils down to in this case. Everything that happens is super predictable and there's no surprises to be found whatsoever. It's like they had to go through the motions to check all the boxes and get it over with, so they could have a classic Phoenix/Maya case in the game.

Paratroopa1 posted...

It just occurred to me that this case makes me feel the way 2-3 and 4-3 makes everyone else feel

Yeah, pretty much, haha

(Except I like 2-3)

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4.5

The very definition of mid. At least it doesn't have Nahyuta

Post 6-5 Nahyuta might not be so bad to deal with.

5/10

Hottest AA take I have is that this case "isn't that much worse than" 5-DLC. It is worse though.

It's pretty much the most average case in the series. Inoffensive with some funny moments. Nothing amazing though.

3

Definitely a bad way to end the core series, and definitely worse than the other DLC case.

3

1/10

I despise this case.

Maybe if I revisited this case I'd give it lower than a three, but right now I just see it as a boring waste of time (travel)

The breakdown animation is really good imo.

But that's about all I even remember.

It's disappointing.

2/10

Maybe the third worst case in the series? It's kinda hard to be worse than 2-1 and 4-3

I just realized that the current top 5 cases are the SAME as my top 5, and #6-10 are the SAME as my #6-10! Not in exactly the same order, but EXTREMELY close. It's not that much of a shock that the cases I think are the best are also the ones that everyone else thinks is the best (and my own votes do affect the outcomes) but I didn't expect THAT level of uniformity. I do think this'll change when we get to G2-3 and G2-5 though (my #11 and #13 favorite cases respectively, yeah GAA sadly just missed cracking my top 10 as a duology)

7

It was like, PW at a casual stroll. I enjoy that. I liked the lower stakes for a chance, and the fact that both Phoenix and Edgeworth are both kind of aware that it's not as high-stakes as their previous face-offs (despite how well-connected the family are).

I think I might be giving this an extra point because I played it directly after 6-5, which was great but exhaustingly long as I said yesterday. This breezier, nicer, nostalgic case was like a sorbet afterwards. (Also yes, no Nahyuta)

And I like the time travelling thing - it's some very obvious, clumsy symbolism for having a Phoenix/Maya/Edgeworth case but I'm on board with it regardless

3-5 > 2-4 > 6-5 > 1-4 > 5-6 isn't a bad ranking at all btw. I'm pretty comfortable with 5-6 being at the bottom and I find the others interchangable. I guess my only issue with it is the comparative gulf in score between 1-4 and 6-5, but whatever.

I do appreciate when people have differing opinions on the cases I hate btw, I'd rather feel that way about this one

3.5/10

I can see the arguments for this being among the worst cases in the series. Nothing here is egregiously bad, but it is so forgettable and superfluous that SoJ would probably be better if it didn't exist, and that's not great.

I actually never got around to playing it...

5.5

The lack of Gumshoe is unforgivable. You can't do a cutesy throwback and not include Gumshoe. I am mad at this. I actually lowered my score by half a point thinking about this.

Ellen is okay I like the humour with her character. Sorin less so. He eventually gets better, like the ending still made me sappy and all. But I kind of wish they hinted better that his attitude at the beginning is because of his health and not just because he's an asshole.

I feel like the main characters are hit or miss. I wish Larry would finally get some character development after six years. Maya is a little too stupid in a few spots. Edgeworth also seemed a little too mean too? The judge shutting down Edgeworth for not being romantic is perfect. This is weirdly one of the best Judge moments in the franchise.

Pierce is ... fine? He's one of those characters like Nahyuta that have like a coolness factor to their design but the writing isn't that great.

Athena was funny but this just reminds me of how she doesn't have a game to her own, and now I'm sad.

The mystery is such a let down. I wish they were crazier about the time travel plot, instead of just making such a dumb little excuse. Honestly, I kind of wish they just made time travel real. Would it be stupid? Yes, but it would be more interesting.

Honestly, I'd probably be nicer to this if this wasn't the last case in the series + DLC. Inoffensive filler, but an awful way to go out for Phoenix and friends. EXCEPT FOR GUMSHOE WHO WASN'T EVEN INVITED TO THE PARTY.......

skulltrumpets posted...

Honestly, I kind of wish they just made time travel real. Would it be stupid? Yes, but it would be more interesting.

I feel the same way.

skulltrumpets posted...

Athena was funny but this just reminds me of how she doesn't have a game to her own, and now I'm sad.

I don't even remember her being in the case at all. It's weird she would be in the throwback nostalgia case, actually.

Anagram posted...

I don't even remember her being in the case at all. It's weird she would be in the throwback nostalgia case, actually.

There's a side plot where she keeps being roped into Trucy's magic shows, but it ends up being kind of insulting because she REALLY wants to help Phoenix out instead.

I always wanted her and Trucy to interact more, but not like this ...

I am not giving a score,
But I just wanted to say that this is the most forgottable case in the entire series (including Layton)

skulltrumpets posted...

There's a side plot where she keeps being roped into Trucy's magic shows, but it ends up being kind of insulting because she REALLY wants to help Phoenix out instead.

I always wanted her and Trucy to interact more, but not like this ...

I have zero memory of this.

Poor Athena and Trucy just ran out of things to do after their plots got wrapped up.

Anagram posted...

I have zero memory of this.

Poor Athena and Trucy just ran out of things to do after their plots got wrapped up.

It's not necessarily that. They just needed an excuse for them not to be involved in the case so we could have Maya instead.

It's at least more of a justification than leaving Apollo out of 5-6, which was just, "hey stay at the office in case someone comes by and clean the toilets while you're at it"

6

I have no clue why people are even considering this the worst case in the series. 4-4 and AJ as a whole (as well as AAI1 to a lesser extent) did actual damage to the series, and we've had cases with far worse casts in 2-3 and E1-3. Not to mention crap like 2-1. Is 6-6 a good case? Not really, and it definitely has some flaws that have already been pointed out by a few, but this isn't even the worst case in the game (6-4). I'd take this over a third of the cases in the series.

Nanis23 posted...

I am not giving a score,
But I just wanted to say that this is the most forgottable case in the entire series (including Layton)

damn nanis is stealing my posts

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paulg235 posted...

I have no clue why people are even considering this the worst case in the series.

For me a lot of it is that this could very well be the last time we see these characters, particularly Maya, and it's wasted on this.

You know how people said Starfield felt like cult deprogramming for Bethesda games? That's how I feel about this case for Ace Attorney.

It is a giant letdown after the way 6-5 ended. It's a big nothing case that relies entirely on fanservice to be enjoyable (which for me it is, but it's not exactly going out on a high note).

I wonder if people will retroactively become more okay with this if we ever get AA7

Leonhart4 posted...

I wonder if people will retroactively become more okay with this if we ever get AA7

It's possible I'll soften on this case slightly in the future. I don't think anything will ever stop it from being the most forgettable case in the series, and the fact that it's the most forgettable case in the series WHILE ALSO BEING THE MOST RECENT is its greatest sin, so maybe when it fades into the background more it'll be less of a big deal - but honestly, no, this case genuinely has my least favorite cast in the series, so I think it's always going to be at or near the bottom

I'm trying to think what would be my least favorite cast.

Could it be 2-2? None of those characters get me excited, and Morgan is the most wasted important character in the series.

4-3 has an argument, but I do like Daryan.

Actually, it's probably E1-2. I might consider that the most forgettable case, too.

Wait, G1-2 exists now. Hmmm...G1-4's is kinda bad aside from Soseki, too.

Leonhart4 posted...

I wonder if people will retroactively become more okay with this if we ever get AA7

I'm not so sure this will happen. It's not like people think the case killed the series or anything like that. It was still an unpopular case even before we knew it would be the last case for many, many years.

Out of all the things about an Ace Attorney case that can be good or bad, the quality of that case's specific cast has probably the closest correlation to whether or not I like a case. There's a few exceptions but yeah. Like, G1-4 also has a terrible cast and I hate that case lol, but Soseki did grow on me a bit so it's not the worst.

6-6 being the final case we got did not play into my ranking of it.

I would maybe go from hating it to not giving a shit, but my rating of 1/10 is locked in now and forever.

soseki literally saved g1-4 for me haha