Current Events > another failure for musk neuralink chip is causing problems

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https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/05/elon-musks-neuralink-reports-trouble-with-first-human-brain-chip/

who would have thought shoving a computer chip in a human brain is a bad idea

it's not, it's actually a very good idea and probably the future of humanity

Mecha_Sonic posted...

it's not, it's actually a very good idea and probably the future of humanity

do explain

Mecha_Sonic posted...

it's not, it's actually a very good idea and probably the future of humanity

Quiet, Elon simp.

Are we just praying on the downfall of Neuralink cause Musk?

Murphiroth posted...

Quiet, Elon simp.

Don't confuse a good idea with how Elon chooses to do it. Elon also pushed for high speed transit in California, and while his hyperloop ended up being a giant joke, that doesn't mean Cali doesn't need more high speed rails.

s0nicfan posted...

Don't confuse a good idea with how Elon chooses to do it. Elon also pushed for high speed transit in California, and while his hyperloop ended up being a giant joke, that doesn't mean Cali doesn't need more high speed rails.

here is the thing there where actual plans in place to bring high speed trnas portation to cali he ruined it

the hyperloop is a scientific impossibility

putting chips in your brain to connect to technology is not actually possible

as our brains ARE NOT COMPUTERS

s0nicfan posted...

Don't confuse a good idea with how Elon chooses to do it.

I'm not seeing any evidence that this was a good idea.

It would be sick as hell writing a paragraph in seconds, or instantly draw a mental image on screen. I just don't trust Musk anywhere near my brain

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It caused a paralyzed guy to be able to play Civilization but since it's associated Elon that mean's it's bad!

Rexdragon125 posted...

It would be sick as hell writing a paragraph in seconds, or instantly draw a mental image on screen. I just don't trust Musk anywhere near my brain

you could bring on all the smartest people in the world give them infinite funds

and they still could not make this work

as its not how the human brain actually works

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Keanu already lives rent free in our heads

AceMos posted...

here is the thing there where actual plans in place to bring high speed trnas portation to cali he ruined it

the hyperloop is a scientific impossibility

putting chips in your brain to connect to technology is not actually possible

as our brains ARE NOT COMPUTERS

I thought the goal was to help people like stroke victims regain movement tho? Hasnt it actually been effective in that regard?

AceMos posted...

here is the thing there where actual plans in place to bring high speed trnas portation to cali he ruined it

the hyperloop is a scientific impossibility

putting chips in your brain to connect to technology is not actually possible

as our brains ARE NOT COMPUTERS

Dude, there are already companies that have given vision to blind people with stuff like this. All this chip does is move EEG technology and how it's used to under the skin in the same way a pacemaker no longer has to be worn outside the body. You're either thinking too narrowly or just fundamentally don't understand how brain patterns get used today to convert signals to something computer-readable if you're stuck on "brains can't talk to computers" as an issue.

EDIT: That's not to say everything is possible. Just that you're way behind on the technology and its medical uses if you're looking at Elon's atrocity and going "well here we go, this entire branch of research is a dead end."

HighSeraph posted...

It caused a paralyzed guy to be able to play Civilization but since it's associated Elon that mean's it's bad!

I mean I'm all for this type of tech if it can truly help people on a wide scale but allowing Elon to handle it is absolutely a fucking mistake and worth criticizing.

AceMos posted...

putting chips in your brain to connect to technology is not actually possible

it has quite literally already worked

sure it didn't work perfectly but for an early trial I'd say it was impressively good, better than I was expecting at least

Having read the article, as well as another article to compare..

The situation isn't really much of a set back at all. Some of the threads retracted, but they've adjusted the system and now it's working even better than it was originally. No new safety concerns introduced yet.

There is absolutely possible benefit in technology like Neuralink.

I just wouldn't want to be a first adopter for Elon Musk's Neuralink.

Compsognathus posted...

There is absolutely possible benefit in technology like Neuralink.

I just wouldn't want to be a first adopter for Elon Musk's Neuralink.

Sadly, we don't have many options if we want to see the technology advance anytime soon. If it was left to government...well, just look at the Stem Cell fiasco.

Only hope we can have is that it becomes a more popular idea as people see it's potential with private companiestesting it, and that the public supports more trustworthy and official sources to work on it.

Senta posted...

Having read the article, as well as another article to compare..

The situation isn't really much of a set back at all. Some of the threads retracted, but they've adjusted the system and now it's working even better than it was originally. No new safety concerns introduced yet.

Thank you. I was about to post the same. What we are noticing is more of the maintenence or tuning after application. Which is ongoing to understanding the effectiveness of the implant.

It being connected to Elon is dubious at best. He's not part of the research team except being the funds.

AceMos posted...

putting chips in your brain to connect to technology is not actually possible

as our brains ARE NOT COMPUTERS

your brain is a kind of computer and the day will come when this (and other types of mind-machine interface, e.g. full dive VR) are very possible

AceMos posted...

putting chips in your brain to connect to technology is not actually possible

The chip is literally letting a tetraplegic man game as much as he used to.

AceMos posted...

here is the thing there where actual plans in place to bring high speed trnas portation to cali he ruined it

the hyperloop is a scientific impossibility

putting chips in your brain to connect to technology is not actually possible

as our brains ARE NOT COMPUTERS

It's actually very possible and has already been done.

Don't let your dislike of Elon make you root against this tech, you want this tech to succeed as it has huge potential for people who have been paralyzed or people who have lost limbs.

s0nicfan posted...

and while his hyperloop ended up being a giant joke

More like a scam.

AceMos posted...

putting chips in your brain to connect to technology is not actually possible

Is literally happening right now.

I have an idea. How about we change the world for the better, but without giving Elon Musk and his shitty companies billions of dollars? Elon doesn't own the idea of electric cars, spaceships, or neural implants.

Enclave posted...

Don't let your dislike of Elon make you root against this tech, you want this tech to succeed as it has huge potential for people who have been paralyzed or people who have lost limbs.

No one is rooting against helping paralyzed people. They're rooting against Elon and his specific company.

The technology does exist, sure.

However, trusting Musky's version of the technology is like trusting Justin Hammer's Iron Man suit.

The technology exists, sure, but not because of that idiot and you're gonna want to avoid his prototype.

AceMos posted...

putting chips in your brain to connect to technology is not actually possible

as our brains ARE NOT COMPUTERS

Your brain doesn't need to be a "computer" in order for there to be a way to let us more directly connect to technology. Like, the tech already exists. People controlling robot bits and mouse cursors with their minds.

Another common Musk L.

hockeybabe89 posted...

No one is rooting against helping paralyzed people. They're rooting against Elon and his specific company.

I don't care which of the companies doing this ends up succeeding, I'm not going to root for his version to fail just because he's a piece of shit. This is WAY too important of tech, the implications are WAY too big. Hell, I want every company making this type of tech to succeed, I want multiple major breakthroughs all across the industry. It's about the greater good not fuck Elon.

Enclave posted...

I don't care which of the companies doing this ends up succeeding, I'm not going to root for his version to fail just because he's a piece of shit. This is WAY too important of tech, the implications are WAY too big. Hell, I want every company making this type of tech to succeed, I want multiple major breakthroughs all across the industry. It's about the greater good not fuck Elon.

I get what you're saying, but consider that Elon would find a way to take a potential good and fuck people over with it via corpo bullshit. Insulin was supposed to be, and easily could have been, extremely cheap. But corpos got the patent, and for a lot of people it's a fucking paycheck taken just to keep being alive.

It's one thing to not want to use a piece of technology or a product because of who made it.

It's another thing to immediately dismiss something because you dislike the person who's making it. Doing that is just being ignorant.

Enclave posted...

I don't care which of the companies doing this ends up succeeding, I'm not going to root for his version to fail just because he's a piece of shit. This is WAY too important of tech, the implications are WAY too big. Hell, I want every company making this type of tech to succeed, I want multiple major breakthroughs all across the industry. It's about the greater good not fuck Elon.

I will. Because companies run by pieces of shit fuck things up. They can take their versions of things and shove them up their asses. Those kinds of people are incompatible with the greater good.

Guide posted...

I get what you're saying, but consider that Elon would find a way to take a potential good and fuck people over with it via corpo bullshit. Insulin was supposed to be, and easily could have been, extremely cheap. But corpos got the patent, and for a lot of people it's a fucking paycheck taken just to keep being alive.

So what? Just because things aren't ideal is the world worse off with the invention of insulin? I'd resoundingly say no, it's a much better place with the invention of insulin even if it's entirely too stupidly expensive in the States. Just because Elon is a piece of shit does that mean that human machine interface devices are not worth creating? Of course not. Sure they're going to be terribly monetised for the foreseeable future but the future with them existing is a better future than them not existing at all.

I'm sorry but the doomer is too strong in your stance, I cannot accept it.

DuuuDe14 posted...

It's one thing to not want to use a piece of technology or a product because of who made it.

It's another thing to immediately dismiss something because you dislike the person who's making it. Doing that is just being ignorant.

Everything Elon is involved in would be far better off if he fucked off into the sun.

chips in brains are a good idea, but only after we deal with capitalism

I read the article Yahoo had earlier today and after reading it, I realized the headline was pure clickbait. Glad they are making progress.

(F*** Musk though)

Im still trying to find a company that isnt run by pieces of shit grifting off their employees accomplishments or a random blog site that isnt AI generated clickbait being shared by people that didnt even read it.

Enclave posted...

So what? Just because things aren't ideal is the world worse off with the invention of insulin?

No, the world isn't worse off with the invention of insulin... Which was already invented, and just made artificially expensive.

The world is worse off because insulin was made artificially expensive, though.

Elon not doing it =/= no one doing it.

AceMos posted...

you could bring on all the smartest people in the world give them infinite funds

and they still could not make this work

as its not how the human brain actually works

it is possible. it's literally already been done with some things.

brain communication is all just electrical impulses like a computer

Guide posted...

No, the world isn't worse off with the invention of insulin... Which was already invented, and just made artificially expensive.

The world is worse off because insulin was made artificially expensive, though.

Elon not doing it =/= no one doing it.

Like I said, I want everybody in the industry to be successful with this tech, the more breakthroughs the better and I don't give a fuck if Elon is involved or not if it means people can get life changing tech. Imagine a prosthetic hand that functions like an actual hand, that's the potential future of this kind of tech and I welcome it.

Don't let your hatred of one piece of shit turn you off the good things.

Electric vehicles could not work thats not how cars actually work, Elorn Mrushk >:(

Enclave posted...

Like I said, I want everybody in the industry to be successful with this tech, the more breakthroughs the better and I don't give a fuck if Elon is involved or not if it means people can get life changing tech. Imagine a prosthetic hand that functions like an actual hand, that's the potential future of this kind of tech and I welcome it.

Don't let your hatred of one piece of shit turn you off the good things.

Read, fam. It's not Elon that is the crux of my point. It's the potential for abuse and making things work that his involvement enables.

The "more breakthroughs the better" is great! In vacuum. You aren't considering downsides. Like, you care about the amount of people that could be helped, correct? Are you okay with only a fraction of those getting help as long as breakthrough pace is optimal?

Enclave posted...

Like I said, I want everybody in the industry to be successful with this tech, the more breakthroughs the better and I don't give a fuck if Elon is involved or not if it means people can get life changing tech. Imagine a prosthetic hand that functions like an actual hand, that's the potential future of this kind of tech and I welcome it.

Don't let your hatred of one piece of shit turn you off the good things.

Elon probably isn't even involved at all. he owns the company, he's not programming the brain computers while also building the cars for tesla and building the rockets for spacex and running twitter into the ground(well, he is doing that, but I digress).

AceMos posted...

you could bring on all the smartest people in the world give them infinite funds

and they still could not make this work

as its not how the human brain actually works

Even with our crappy 2020s tech we can control videogames with our brains, and this is just an EEG. Direct interfaces could be much more powerful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBYY3D1gkQ0

Don't let Musk being a giant moron sour you on cool stuff.

while a synapse-to-machine interface is probably going to happen someday, like any kind of biological advancement you don't want to be the in the first, second, third, massively illegal 4th, or 5th iterations on the idea because that's the "fuck around and find out" phase.

That this particular variation (and anyone unlucky enough to go for it) is probably going to die while loud tech bro nonsense oversells it and sucks the air out of the room is unfortunate but necessary.

When RFK had those bugs in his brain it nearly killed him.