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LeonhartFour
07/15/11 5:41:00 PM
#1:


Rivalry Week #2 is here!

NCAA Games II week by week schedules (including past results):

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AvxHjoIdpiozdEtadTB0dEhmX3JxZkZfdzdhTHF6WGc&hl=en#gid=0

NCAA Games II Conference Breakdowns (including a quicker, faster look at individual games' opponents, wins, and losses):

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AvxHjoIdpiozdDhfenhraVlvNlk3VkUzb0tFalMtYUE&hl=en#gid=0

This week's top 25:

1. Chrono Trigger (1)
2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (3)
3. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (4)
4. Super Mario Bros. 3 (2)
5. Resident Evil 4 (6)
6. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (5)
7. Super Mario 64 (7)
8. Super Mario World (10)
9. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (8)
10. Super Smash Bros. Melee (9)
11. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (11)
12. Metal Gear Solid (13)
13. Final Fantasy X (14)
14. Paper Mario (12)
15. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (15)
16. Super Mario Galaxy (19)
17. Metroid Prime (17)
18. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (16)
19. Final Fantasy VI (21)
20. Super Metroid (18)
21. Portal (23)
22. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (20)
23. Final Fantasy IX (24)
24. Mega Man 2 (25)
25. Batman: Arkham Asylum (NR)

Dropped out: Super Smash Bros. Brawl (22)

36 - Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
36 - Star Fox 64
31 - Final Fantasy VII
31 - Super Smash Bros. Brawl
29 - Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
13 - The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
9 - Half-Life 2
9 - The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
7 - Tales of Symphonia
6 - Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
5 - Okami

Despite none of the top 25 losing last week, we still had some minor shifts in the polls. RE4's been gaining ground on MGS3 for the last few weeks, and it finally passed it up this week. Brawl's bad performance against SSFIV last week was enough for voters to drop it out, and Batman makes its poll debut in its place.

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LeonhartFour
07/15/11 5:42:00 PM
#2:


Top 25 points:

470 - Chrono Trigger
436 - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
416 - Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
402 - Super Mario Bros. 3
379 - Resident Evil 4
372 - Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
346 - Super Mario 64
334 - Super Mario World
304 - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
299 - Super Smash Bros. Melee
246 - Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations
240 - Metal Gear Solid
226 - Final Fantasy X
218 - Paper Mario
201 - Super Mario Galaxy 2
162 - Super Mario Galaxy
158 - Metroid Prime
146 - Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
117 - Final Fantasy VI
111 - Super Metroid
87 - Portal
87 - Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
86 - Final Fantasy IX
65 - Mega Man 2
54 - Batman: Arkham Asylum

New matches coming up in a few.

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VeryInsane
07/15/11 5:47:00 PM
#3:


Aw yeah the god damn Batman's in the top 25.

Maybe this'll convince everyone to play Arkham Asylum.

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Azp2k32
07/15/11 5:57:00 PM
#4:


Hell yes, Batman in and Brawl out. Best possible outcome.

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PrinceKaro
07/15/11 6:02:00 PM
#5:


Why the hell aren't the Phoenix wright games playing each other on rivalry week?

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LeonhartFour
07/15/11 6:03:00 PM
#6:


That's a Week 30 extravaganza rivalry right there. Can't have that one anytime except at the end!

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Janus5000
07/15/11 6:07:00 PM
#7:


That's probably being saved for Week 30, or whenever the last big rivalry week is.

EDIT: grrr ninjas

EDIT again: Also, nice to see FFX as the second-highest RPG! Guess I'm not the only one skeptical of Paper Mario (okay and beating TP was kinda cool too).

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pjbasis
07/15/11 6:56:00 PM
#8:


jesus there's gonna be 30 weeks!?

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TheKnightOfNee
07/15/11 7:03:00 PM
#9:


Are people honestly convinced to play games because they do well in this

if anything I'll be convinced to play a game because it does poorly

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LinkMarioSamus
07/15/11 7:56:00 PM
#10:


TheKnightOfNee posted...
Are people honestly convinced to play games because they do well in this

if anything I'll be convinced to play a game because it does poorly


If your someone like me who still has serious gaps in his/her gaming and wants to rectify them...

Anyways, today seems to be full of close matches we were all hyped for, blowouts coming from the most unlikely of candidates, and Leonhart going away unhappy.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/15/11 7:59:00 PM
#11:


VeryInsane posted...
Aw yeah the god damn Batman's in the top 25.

Maybe this'll convince everyone to play Arkham Asylum.


This contest has indeed convinced me to play through Arkham Asylum, BioShock, and the Metal Gear Solid series at some point. I'm still waiting for that HD collection though, so in the meantime the PlayStation trio mentioned in my sig will have to do.

Arkham Asylum seems to be aesthetically closer to Resident Evil than to Metal Gear Solid, but I'd have to believe that the gameplay is closer to the latter since Arkham Asylum probably has more stealth than "scares" and "quick-time events", not to mention less "guns".

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LeonhartFour
07/15/11 11:35:00 PM
#12:


I'm surprised red sox hasn't come parading through here yet.

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KCF0107
07/15/11 11:53:00 PM
#13:


So what game is MVP Baseball 2005's rival?

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LinkMarioSamus
07/16/11 12:01:00 AM
#14:


Some decade-old wrestling game. I'm sure that'll be no threat, right?

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LeonhartFour
07/16/11 12:02:00 AM
#15:


Yeah, MVP Baseball will probably get killed. It doesn't pose much of a threat to anything.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/16/11 12:13:00 AM
#16:


See, what the baseball stars are doing is asking the wrestlers to beef up their baseball bats so that the bats can deflect bullets next week.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/16/11 12:38:00 AM
#17:


For just about no reason whatsoever, I made a list in Microsoft Word of every game in this contest categorized by number of losses (except that the bottom tier is simply "winless"). Doing some investigation on the numbers so far:

Two Losses - 26
One Loss - 21
Six Losses - 20
Seven Losses - 18
Four/Eight Losses - 16
Three Losses/Winless - 15
Five Losses - 13
Undefeated - 8

Man that's a lot of 7-2 titles!

I would like to know the lowest ranked of each in the RPI (and the highest ranked of each in the RPI aside from 7-2 and higher).

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LinkMarioSamus
07/16/11 4:31:00 AM
#18:


Oh yeah I thought of another possible rivalry match: GoldenEye vs. Knights of the Old Republic, aka James Bond vs. Star Wars.

Hahaha.

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Maniac64
07/16/11 11:07:00 AM
#19:


dang, missed the Top 25 this week.

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swirIdude
07/16/11 3:02:00 PM
#20:


LinkMarioSamus posted...
I would like to know the lowest ranked of each in the RPI (and the highest ranked of each in the RPI aside from 7-2 and higher).

If you insist.

9-0
1. Chrono Trigger
16. Mega Man 2

8-1
4. Super Mario Bros. 3
52. Sonic Adventure 2

7-2
17. Final Fantasy VI
63. Civilization IV

6-3
38. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
87. Lunar: Silver Star Story

5-4
65. Mega Man X
95. Animal Crossing

4-5
64. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
114. Shining Force II

3-6
90. GoldenEye 007
130. Cave Story

2-7
103. Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum
145. Twisted Metal 2

1-8
132. Super Street Fighter IV
161. flower

0-9
151. Street Fighter Alpha 3
168. Umineko no Naku Koro ni

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Janus5000
07/16/11 3:05:00 PM
#21:


5-4
65. Mega Man X

4-5
64. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night


the best

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/16/11 7:14:00 PM
#22:


Hmm...FFT stood up pretty well to FFIX. Judging by the way MGS2 moved up the ranks severely after losing close to T&T last week, I've got to figure that FFT (8-2) should start receiving votes again after the preseason #20 had been completely ignored ever since picking up its first loss.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/16/11 7:36:00 PM
#23:


Wait a sec, so Mario 64 gets thrashed by Melee, and yet now it's giving Mario 3 the fight of its life?

All of a sudden, I'm getting the feeling that Chrono Trigger is going to lose this week.

Oh yeah, and this:

When Call of Duty 4 faces Battletoads, it narrowly wins.
When Grand Theft Auto IV faces Battletoads, it narrowly loses.
When Call of Duty 4 faces Grand Theft Auto IV, it gets absolutely murdered.

See, told you Battletoads would wreck Modern Warfare in a rematch!

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Janus5000
07/16/11 7:38:00 PM
#24:


The thing with MGS2 is that it nearly upset T&T right after it did upset Super Metroid. FFT doesn't have any good win like that under its belt - its best win is over Kirby 64.

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LeonhartFour
07/16/11 7:38:00 PM
#25:


LMS, stop talking like you get it.

You don't get it.

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WarThaNemesis2
07/16/11 7:40:00 PM
#26:


Man, LMS is making me look bad, trying to use my logic with something for looking good against a single far-from top 10 game.

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red sox 777
07/16/11 7:42:00 PM
#27:


LMS, fortunately Chrono Trigger trashed SMB3 by more than Melee beat SM64, so it still comes out ahead.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/16/11 7:43:00 PM
#28:


LeonhartFour posted...
LMS, stop talking like you get it.

You don't get it.


Yes I get it, Call of Duty 4 is much weaker now than it was early on, and Super Mario Bros. 3 is not all that strong.

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th3l3fty
07/16/11 7:46:00 PM
#29:


you clearly don't get it if that's what you think!

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LeonhartFour
07/16/11 7:48:00 PM
#30:


From: LinkMarioSamus | #028
Call of Duty 4 is much weaker now than it was early on, and Super Mario Bros. 3 is not all that strong.


This is not the statement of a man who gets it.

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/16/11 7:55:00 PM
#31:


Oh, man, this is hilarious. Going into this week, I was actually rooting for Chrono Trigger to beat the overrated A Link to the Past and put it back in its place, but with SMB3 actually coming closer to SM64 than I expected, I kind of want Chrono Trigger to lose so that I can continue ranking SMB3 ahead of it. After all, last week I had SMB3 at #2, Chrono Trigger close behind at #3, SM64 at #7, and ALttP at #10. I'm pretty sure that unless ALttP crushes CT, that close loss to SM64 wouldn't be enough to drop SMB3 behind it, and then I can catch even more s*** than I have been already.

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KCF0107
07/16/11 7:58:00 PM
#32:


I said this in an earlier topic but the games themselves are constants. They are not getting stronger or weaker at any given point during this contest. Everything rests solely in the hands of the voters

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swirIdude
07/16/11 8:16:00 PM
#33:


KCF0107 posted...
I said this in an earlier topic but the games themselves are constants. They are not getting stronger or weaker at any given point during this contest.

Do you enjoy flying directly into the face of what the results show?

Yes, the game itself is always constant, but the voters are the ones that determine strength. And since the voters fluctuate in preference, the games get stronger or weaker at time. So I can't agree with your statement.

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VeryInsane
07/16/11 8:17:00 PM
#34:


I said this in an earlier topic but the games themselves are constants. They are not getting stronger or weaker at any given point during this contest. Everything rests solely in the hands of the voters

So you think PW:AA would constantly beat Melee? I honestly think it was a once in a contest event that was witnessed.

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LeonhartFour
07/16/11 8:19:00 PM
#35:


I think he's trying to say that results can change depending on who votes and who doesn't on any given day, which is true.

But he also seems to be implying that people wouldn't be open to changing their votes if the match was re-held for any reason, which definitely is not true. We just saw an example of it in the OT match.

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red sox 777
07/16/11 8:22:00 PM
#36:


A word that would help a lot here and in the stats topic during contest season: Variance.

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LeonhartFour
07/16/11 8:30:00 PM
#37:


Yesterday's results:

Final Fantasy Tactics (Sonic Overload Conference) (8-2) – 24 (48.98%)
#23 Final Fantasy IX (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (9-1) – 25 (51.02%)
--FFIX led most of the way, and while FFT made a late run at tying up the match, it fell just short.

Grand Theft Auto IV (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (1-9) – 25 (64.10%)
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Games of the Decades Conference) (1-9) – 14 (35.90%)
--GTAIV finally gets into the win column with a rout of CoD4.

Animal Crossing (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (6-4) – 24 (55.81%)
Dark Cloud 2 (Smash Trigger Conference) (4-6) – 19 (44.19%)
--Animal Crossing gets the win over Dark Cloud 2 in a match that wasn't quite as close as the final score indicates.

Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (4-6) – 21 (51.22%) (OT, 11-10)
Secret of Mana (Brawl for Broke Conference) (5-5) – 20 (48.78%)
--Hey, this is the first OT match this year where I've actually got to cast the tiebreaking vote after the OT period was over! If only it had been the other match instead.

Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (2-8) – 8 (17.78%)
#18 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (Nintendo Objections Conference) (8-2) – 37 (82.22%)
--Phoenix is used to getting the better of detectives, even if they are phantoms.

Fallout 3 (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (7-3) – 20 (47.62%)
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (Fanservice Conference) (5-5) – 22 (52.38%)
--After a rough start, KOTOR has worked its way up to a .500 record.

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (Smash Trigger Conference) (4-6) – 15 (38.46%)
Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (Brawl for Broke Conference) (5-5) – 24 (61.54%)
--Brotherhood gets an easy win over the original Uncharted.

Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (8-2) – 32 (64.00%)
Earthbound (Games of the Decades Conference) (8-2) – 18 (36.00%)
--Mario RPG scores a very impressive win against Earthbound here.

Devil May Cry (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (2-8) – 25 (56.82%)
God of War II (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (3-7) – 19 (43.18%)
--It seems people prefer their action stars to be cheesy rather than angry.

#4 Super Mario Bros. 3 (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (8-2) – 25 (49.02%)
#7 Super Mario 64 (Nintendo Objections Conference) (9-1) – 26 (50.98%) (OT, 15-11)
--With this, Mario 64 has beaten both Mario 3 and Mario World by a single vote. Terrible results all around, moving on.

Mega Man X (Fanservice Conference) (6-4) – 33 (73.33%)
Mega Man 3 (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (4-6) – 12 (26.67%)
--This match was really ugly early on with MMX pushing upper 80% on MM3, but the end result is merely just plain ugly.

No More Heroes (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (2-8) – 10 (25.00%)
Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (4-6) – 30 (75.00%)
--DQ5 triples No More Heroes.

#14 Paper Mario (Games of the Decades Conference) (9-1) – 23 (46.94%)
Star Fox 64 (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (8-2) – 26 (53.06%)
--Star Fox 64 thoroughly dominated Paper Mario most of the way, but PM went on a 10-0 run to end the match to turn an ugly doubling into a deceptively seemingly respectable 3-vote loss. Either way, the last unbeaten Mario game goes down.

Cave Story (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (4-6) – 18 (52.94%)
World of Goo (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (2-8) – 16 (47.06%)
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charmander6000
07/16/11 8:35:00 PM
#38:


#4 Super Mario Bros. 3 (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (8-2) – 25 (49.02%)
#7 Super Mario 64 (Nintendo Objections Conference) (9-1) – 26 (50.98%) (OT, 15-11)


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red sox 777
07/16/11 8:35:00 PM
#39:


Excellent win for SF64, and it makes RBY look better. So.....if CT beats LTTP.......#1 CT, #2 RBY, #3 SSBM, #4 MGS3, #5 RE4......sounds good!

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LeonhartFour
07/16/11 8:36:00 PM
#40:


Put your hand down.

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/16/11 8:39:00 PM
#41:


Ooh, Paper Mario with the late run to turn the blowout into a not-blowout. Guess I won't be dropping it down as far, after all.

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swirIdude
07/16/11 8:49:00 PM
#42:


RPI


1. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (2)
2. Chrono Trigger (1)
3. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (3)
4. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (5)
5. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (6)
6. Super Mario 64 (10)
7. Resident Evil 4 (7)
8. Super Mario Galaxy (8)
9. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (9)
10. Super Mario Bros. 3 (4)
11. Final Fantasy IX (15)
12. Metal Gear Solid (11)
13. Super Metroid (14)
14. Final Fantasy X (13)
15. Final Fantasy VI (19)
16. Mega Man 2 (16)
17. Super Mario World (17)
18. Portal (18)
19. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (20)
20. Batman: Arkham Asylum (21)
21. Metroid Prime (23)
22. Super Smash Bros. Melee (22)
23. Paper Mario (12)
24. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (25)
25. Star Fox 64 (29)
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (26)
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (32)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (24)
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (27)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (31)

The Zelda series made a lot of moves up today. The Mario series had mixed results.

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LeonhartFour
07/16/11 8:51:00 PM
#43:


Pretty good that Mario 3 can stay in the top 10 despite the two losses.

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/16/11 8:51:00 PM
#44:


Janus5000 posted...
Also, nice to see FFX as the second-highest RPG!

Yeah, just too bad the one ahead of it is so horrible. Worst of the "old Square" except maybe SMRPG.

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Azp2k32
07/16/11 8:51:00 PM
#45:


Looks increasingly less like RBY (and now PM) are weak, more like SF64 is actually pretty strong....

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VeryInsane
07/16/11 8:52:00 PM
#46:


Holy cow Link to the Past passed Chrono Trigger.

This rivalry just got a lot more personal all of a sudden!

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LeonhartFour
07/16/11 8:54:00 PM
#47:


Star Fox 64 is definitely on the rise.

Keep in mind, it only won 31-27 over FFVIII back in Week 2, lost to SoulCalibur II in Week 3, and only won by two votes over GoldenEye in Week 5. Then it goes from beating G/S/C by one vote to losing to R/B/Y in OT by one vote in the span of a week.

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swirIdude
07/16/11 8:55:00 PM
#48:


You might say Star Fox 64 barrel rolled its way into another tier.

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charmander6000
07/16/11 8:56:00 PM
#49:


I think we all know what that means.

SoulCalibur II is a secret powerhouse.

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LeonhartFour
07/16/11 8:57:00 PM
#50:


From: charmander6000 | #049
I think we all know what that means.

SoulCalibur II is a secret powerhouse.


Well, it did fairly well against Mario Kart 64 last week. It's certainly not weak.

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