Current Events > Prescription drugs should not go OTC

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While there are issues with Big Pharma and insurance companies that need to be addressed, you cannot trust people to properly self-medicate. You can't shove the pills down people's throats, but you can at least assure that a doctor is there every step of the way with drug prescription.

Drugs are way too expensive. There is an opioid epidemic. But we need to balance fixing those issues with also making sure people get the proper treatment as best we can.
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Every drug should go OTC. Even the "bad" ones.

hockeybub89 posted...

Prescription drugs should not go OTC

Who said they were??
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KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Prescription drugs should not go OTC

Who said they were??

It happens fairly regularly, usually right around the time the patents expire.
Insurance companies actively lobby for it, because it means they don't have to pay for the drug anymore.

Perhaps it's appropriate for some prescription drugs to become OTC and not others.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Prescription drugs should not go OTC

Who said they were??

It happens fairly regularly, usually right around the time the patents expire.
Insurance companies actively lobby for it, because it means they don't have to pay for the drug anymore.

While this is true it doesn't apply to narcotic drugs.
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We need to just conpletely dismantle big pharmaceutical companies bag exist in the monopoly. They are basically just drug dealers who pay hundreds of millions of dollars (not to trump!!) to make sure get get to keep selling us heroin and ecstasy with FDA approval. The FDA officially has 0% credibility because they allow OxyContin and adderrall.

We need a strict deadline, by which time ALL opiate durivative narcotics will not only be gone, but it should be a felony to possess or sell afterwards. By this date, all pharmaceutical companies will be forced to adhere to INCREDIBLY strict drug regulations. No oxys, no hydrocodone, no xanax, no aderrall.

These assclowns are capable of making medicines that work without getting us high and strung out. I wanna see these assholes in prison.

#endbigpharmaceutical

In addition, the pharmaceutical giants should be forced to pay out of pocket for any and all drug rehab programs needed. Tell people who take this garbage that they have six months to ween off of it and get on something new.
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KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

While this is true it doesn't apply to narcotic drugs.

If you're using the dictionary definition of "narcotic", there's several.

Yes, close down the businesses that develop new medications. Then nobody will have anything and we can all have an even worse quality of life.
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southcoast09 posted...

We need a strict deadline, by which time ALL opiate durivative narcotics will not only be gone, but it should be a felony to possess or sell afterwards. By this date, all pharmaceutical companies will be forced to adhere to INCREDIBLY strict drug regulations. No oxys, no hydrocodone, no xanax, no aderrall.

If you seriously believe that's actually going to solve anything, and isn't going to make the problem much worse, then I pity you.

Questionmarktarius posted...

southcoast09 posted...

We need a strict deadline, by which time ALL opiate durivative narcotics will not only be gone, but it should be a felony to possess or sell afterwards. By this date, all pharmaceutical companies will be forced to adhere to INCREDIBLY strict drug regulations. No oxys, no hydrocodone, no xanax, no aderrall.

If you seriously believe that's actually going to solve anything, and isn't going to make the problem much worse, then I pity you.

It's southcoast. He literally got an account banned by messaging SBallen to ban another user. He's not smart.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

While this is true it doesn't apply to narcotic drugs.

If you're using the dictionary definition of "narcotic", there's several.

In this case we are not using the dictionary's definition of narcotic.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Every drug should go OTC. Even the "bad" ones.

No, just no. Though I do agree that some recreational drugs should be semi-legalized and regulated.
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KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

While this is true it doesn't apply to narcotic drugs.

If you're using the dictionary definition of "narcotic", there's several.

In this case we are not using the dictionary's definition of narcotic.

In that case, there's always the cough syrup (DXM) and diarrhea pills (loperamide), that people are getting blasted on right now.

Im a resident physician who works within driving distance to the Mexican border, where they dont regulate drugs and anything can be bought over the counter. Its a horrible fucking idea. We get patients who come in on the craziest shit because there is no standardization and they have no training so they just buy a bottle of whatever thats advertised as a cure for X
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Questionmarktarius posted...

KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

While this is true it doesn't apply to narcotic drugs.

If you're using the dictionary definition of "narcotic", there's several.

In this case we are not using the dictionary's definition of narcotic.

In that case, there's always the cough syrup (DXM) and diarrhea pills (loperamide), that people are getting blasted on right now.

Which has nothing to do with prescription pain meds becoming OTC.
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Prescription =/= psychoactive
Many of drugs used to be prescription, until they were deemed safe to use without a visit to the doctor.
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LordRazziel posted...

Many of drugs used to be prescription, until they were deemed safe to use without a visit to the doctor.

Needing a doctor's permission does not cause a potientially-dangerous drug to somehow magically become "safe".

I mean, it is a well-established fact that doctors using their discretion + lack of knowledge are one of the causes of the opioid crisis

e.g., https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/896182
https://www.axios.com/doctors-from-elite-schools-prescribe-fewer-narcotics-2470360593.html

I would argue its much easier to get people hooked on dangerous drugs when it is something that is given to them by someone who they view as an authority figure, rather than something they either need to pick up on their own or through pressure from their peer group
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Balrog0 posted...

I mean, it is a well-established fact that doctors using their discretion + lack of knowledge are one of the causes of the opioid crisis

The cause of the "crisis" was attempts to shut down doctor shopping.
That's when the dead bodies started piling up.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/americas-heroin-epidemic/anatomy-opioid-overdose-outbreak-how-one-georgia-doctor-sounded-alarm-n802786

why did you put scare quotes around crisis? it is one of the major causes of death in our time
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KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

While this is true it doesn't apply to narcotic drugs.

If you're using the dictionary definition of "narcotic", there's several.

In this case we are not using the dictionary's definition of narcotic.

Anyone who says narcotics is a fool. Either say opioid or recreational drug.
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Balrog0 posted...

why did you put scare quotes around crisis? it is one of the major causes of death in our time

To emphasize that it wasn't a "crisis" until all the bathtub fentanyl started appearing.

I'm against antibiotics going OTC but fuck all if I care about painkillers n shit.

Superbugs are a bigger long term threat than junkies.
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ChainedRedone posted...

KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

While this is true it doesn't apply to narcotic drugs.

If you're using the dictionary definition of "narcotic", there's several.

In this case we are not using the dictionary's definition of narcotic.

Anyone who says narcotics is a fool. Either say opioid or recreational drug.

What are you gonna do about it skater boy?? You gonna skateboard over to my house and cut me wth an AOL disc!? lmao
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

I'm against antibiotics going OTC but fuck all if I care about painkillers n shit.

Superbugs are a bigger long term threat than junkies.

Goddammit. Now I'm conflicted...

@Questionmarktarius posted...

LordRazziel posted...

Many of drugs used to be prescription, until they were deemed safe to use without a visit to the doctor.

Needing a doctor's permission does not cause a potientially-dangerous drug to somehow magically become "safe".

Right. Studies they do, while it's in the prescription period, allow them to make that determination.
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I have asthma. If I need a refill I sometimes need a doctor's permission which often requires a doctor's visit.

So because its not OTC, I have to pay for a visit in addition to the cost of an inhaler which is already kind of expensive.
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