Current Events > 'Gender Pay Gap is getting worse, not better.' Claims femminists.

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Equal Pay Day might sound like an event of achievement like employers and industries have finally realised that women work just as hard as their male colleagues and therefore deserve identical salaries but, sadly, it isnt.

Today, November 10, marks the day of the year that women essentially stop getting paid due to the gender pay gap. And whats worse, the gender pay gap is widening for some women and it will now take 100 years to close it, according to campaign group.

The Fawcett Society say younger women, as well as older female employees, were now seeing their pay fall behind that of men, claiming that the drive to equalise pay is going backwards.

Sam Smethers, chief executive The pay gap is widest for older women as it grows over our working lives but we are now seeing a widening of the pay gap for younger women too, which suggests we are going backwards and that is extremely worrying.

At a time when we are breaking the taboo of talking about sexual harassment in the workplace we need to wake up to the fact that a culture which tolerates or even fosters sexual harassment isnt going to pay women properly either, and we know that younger women are particularly likely to experience harassment.

Official figures show that the gender pay gap based on median hourly earnings for full-time employees fell to 9.1%, from 9.4% in 2016, but for full and part-time workers the figure increased by 0.2% to 18.4%.

The gap is wider for women in their fifties, at 18.6%, but has significantly grown among women in their twenties from 1.1% in 2011 to 5.5% this year

More than half of female workers admit to feeling financially unprepared for their retirement, as evidence emerges of a gender savings gap, according to research by financial advice firm Close Brothers and the Pensions and Lifetime Savings Association.

The study found that 51% of female workers feel financially unprepared, compared with around a third (35%) of male workers.

Young Womens Trust chief executive Dr Carole Easton said that at the current rate, todays young women will be retired before equal pay becomes a reality. The gap exists from the moment women start work. Young Womens Trust research shows that young women apprentices earn 8% less than their male counterparts, leaving them more than 1,000 a year worse off.

Often this is because the sectors women tend to work in such as administration, health and social care and retail are not valued and paid as much as they should be. Anne Milton, minister of state for apprenticeships and skills and minister for women, said: The pay gap wont close on its own we all need to take action to make sure we address this.

That is why we have introduced a legal requirement for all large employers to publish their gender pay and bonus data by April 2018. Im pleased that some of our top companies are leading the way and have already reported.

By shining a light on where there are gaps, they can take action to address it.

There are no excuses, employers now need to get on with the job of publishing their pay gap and pledge to improve workplace equality.

TUC general secretary Frances OGrady said: The Government needs to boost pay for undervalued jobs mainly done by women, such as social care, and ministers must do more to remove the barriers that stop women getting jobs in better-paid professions.

Rebecca Hilsenrath, chief executive of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said: What we need now is action to close the gender pay gap. We need to radically change our workplace culture by advertising jobs as flexible from day one, and we must stop seeing women automatically as our primary caregivers. It is only by looking at big change and not just concentrating on numbers that we will close this gap, once and for all.



How would you fix this CE?
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I'm in the military so everyone is paid the same also omg chloe and max rrrrrnnggggg

UnfairRepresent posted...

Often this is because the sectors women tend to work in such as administration, health and social care and retail are not valued and paid as much as they should be. Anne Milton, minister of state for apprenticeships and skills and minister for women, said: The pay gap wont close on its own we all need to take action to make sure we address this.

Then pick jobs that pay more, FFS.
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What about the men who work in those fields?
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all feminists are fucking idiots who cares

I suppose whining about a supposed pay gap gives them something to do/complain about.
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Hexenherz posted...

I'm in the military so everyone is paid the same

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We need more women to work more high paying jobs, then this "gap" would disappear.
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wackyteen posted...

Hexenherz posted...

I'm in the military so everyone is paid the same

You're in the military?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

wackyteen posted...

Hexenherz posted...

I'm in the military so everyone is paid the same

You're in the military?

Yes. Have been for over 4 years now. Usually don't make a point of bringing it up though
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UnfairRepresent posted...

How would you fix this CE?

It isn't a real problem so it doesn't need to be fixed.
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Then go into higher paying jobs. The supposed pay gap is because men work more hours on average and go into fields that pay more, not because they're just being paid more because they have a wingwong.
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wackyteen posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

wackyteen posted...

Hexenherz posted...

I'm in the military so everyone is paid the same

You're in the military?

Yes. Have been for over 4 years now. Usually don't make a point of bringing it up though

But....

You know nevermind
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UnfairRepresent posted...

But....

You know nevermind

.... ?_?
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It's actually a statistical fact that women are not as productive as men - a lot of that imaginary wage gap is a result of men working almost 20 percent more hours than women each year on average.

Ergo, the idea that they should be paid the same is ludicrous.
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So if you have a man and a woman working for a company as... widget inspectors, and the man makes $50,000 annually and the woman $40,000, we should bump the woman up to $50,000. Alright, what if you have two men working for the same company as widget inspectors, and one makes $50,000 and the other man makes $40,000. Should the lower paid man be bumped up?
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r4X0r posted...

So if you have a man and a woman working for a company as... widget inspectors, and the man makes $50,000 annually and the woman $40,000, we should bump the woman up to $50,000. Alright, what if you have two men working for the same company as widget inspectors, and one makes $50,000 and the other man makes $40,000. Should the lower paid man be bumped up?

Why are they getting paid different wages anyway?

Hexenherz posted...

r4X0r posted...

So if you have a man and a woman working for a company as... widget inspectors, and the man makes $50,000 annually and the woman $40,000, we should bump the woman up to $50,000. Alright, what if you have two men working for the same company as widget inspectors, and one makes $50,000 and the other man makes $40,000. Should the lower paid man be bumped up?

Why are they getting paid different wages anyway?

because when they were offered the job one person was able to negotiate a higher wage while the other person took the lower offer
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Hexenherz posted...

r4X0r posted...

So if you have a man and a woman working for a company as... widget inspectors, and the man makes $50,000 annually and the woman $40,000, we should bump the woman up to $50,000. Alright, what if you have two men working for the same company as widget inspectors, and one makes $50,000 and the other man makes $40,000. Should the lower paid man be bumped up?

Why are they getting paid different wages anyway?

Maybe the higher paid person was a better negotiator or is a better worker. Having the same job title doesn't entitle you to the same pay.
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Having negotiation skills shouldn't be a factor in how much you get paid when you sign on. That's a dumb system.

Hexenherz posted...

Having negotiation skills shouldn't be a factor in how much you get paid when you sign on. That's a dumb system.

That makes no sense. If I can sell my skills well, I can convince an employer that I'm worth more pay. So the employer will pay me more. Negotiating isn't a game - it's about supplying evidence for why you deserve more pay for a job.
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Hexenherz posted...

Having negotiation skills shouldn't be a factor in how much you get paid when you sign on. That's a dumb system.

Depends on the type of job, tbh. If it is some relatively easy to fill position then yeah, you shouldn't be able to negotiate your pay. If it isn't, then people negotiating pay is normal.
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I know it's a normal thing, I just think it's dumb. If someone's got X qualifications, they should get paid for X qualifications, not X qualifications plus five bucks an hour just because they talked it up.

Hexenherz posted...

I know it's a normal thing, I just think it's dumb. If someone's got X qualifications, they should get paid for X qualifications, not X qualifications plus five bucks an hour just because they talked it up.

That's not how reality works. Two people can both have the same degree, but one person might be better at the job than the other. Why should they both get paid the same when one contributes more value? It's fair for the best people to get paid the best.

A lot of people have a computer science degree. But I put a lot more work into learning the latest technologies and mastering them. So why shouldn't I negotiate and use that as leverage to secure more pay than someone else who has the same degree/title but not the same skills?
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I'm not even talking about someone proving job competency and getting paid more as a consequence.
I'm talking about negotiating higher pay before even taking the job.

also, negotiating skills are something that is valued in the workplace, not just for the initial hire. there will be times when you will have to work with others in order to accomplish a goal, and sometimes that means making people do what they don't want to do, even if it's stated in their contract that they need to do it. how you handle situations and the tactics that you come up with will be a critical part of how things will get done if you become part of their team.
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Hexenherz posted...

I'm not even talking about someone proving job competency and getting paid more as a consequence.
I'm talking about negotiating higher pay before even taking the job.

That's when you're supposed to negotiate higher pay. You have an entire track history that proves your worth, and you prove yourself during the interview process and from referrals. During the job is when you ask for a raise/bonus. >_>
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Fine fine. Let's give women all the construction jobs and logging jobs. While we're at it let's give them oil drilling jobs as well. They'll love being in those high paying fields.
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Often this is because the sectors women tend to work in such as administration, health and social care and retail are not valued and paid as much as they should be. Anne Milton, minister of state for apprenticeships and skills and minister for women, said: The pay gap wont close on its own we all need to take action to make sure we address this.

Wait. This is about different jobs? I thought this was about men vs women on the same jobs.
This is not a gender wage gap. This is a work sector wage gap.
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Those women are more than welcome to work the high-stress, weekend-work required, grueling professional careers that pay more. If they want to go into soft fields like school teachers, getting out at 2pm everyday and enjoyning 4 months of vacation a year, they can kindly shut the fuck up about wage inequality.
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KnightofShikari posted...

Hexenherz posted...

r4X0r posted...

So if you have a man and a woman working for a company as... widget inspectors, and the man makes $50,000 annually and the woman $40,000, we should bump the woman up to $50,000. Alright, what if you have two men working for the same company as widget inspectors, and one makes $50,000 and the other man makes $40,000. Should the lower paid man be bumped up?

Why are they getting paid different wages anyway?

because when they were offered the job one person was able to negotiate a higher wage while the other person took the lower offer

Ok so what's to stop a company from paying all women, gay and black guys $30,000 and all white giuys $60,000 just because of bias?

How do you balance this system? It just seems like a handwave.

"Oh the gender pay gap is just solely because women suck at negotiating"

Hell dont you think a reason why women and minorities "fail to negotiate" is that there is already centuries old systems in place designed to support men?

This to me just sounds like a lazy semantic argument rather than a counter-argument.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

KnightofShikari posted...

Hexenherz posted...

r4X0r posted...

So if you have a man and a woman working for a company as... widget inspectors, and the man makes $50,000 annually and the woman $40,000, we should bump the woman up to $50,000. Alright, what if you have two men working for the same company as widget inspectors, and one makes $50,000 and the other man makes $40,000. Should the lower paid man be bumped up?

Why are they getting paid different wages anyway?

because when they were offered the job one person was able to negotiate a higher wage while the other person took the lower offer

Ok so what's to stop a company from paying all women, gay and black guys $30,000 and all white giuys $60,000 just because of bias?

How do you balance this system? It just seems like a handwave.

"Oh the gender pay gap is just solely because women suck at negotiating"

Hell dont you think a reason why women and minorities "fail to negotiate" is that there is already centuries old systems in place designed to support men?

This to me just sounds like a lazy semantic argument rather than a counter-argument.

^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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Laserion posted...

Often this is because the sectors women tend to work in such as administration, health and social care and retail are not valued and paid as much as they should be. Anne Milton, minister of state for apprenticeships and skills and minister for women, said: The pay gap wont close on its own we all need to take action to make sure we address this.

Wait. This is about different jobs? I thought this was about men vs women on the same jobs.
This is not a gender wage gap. This is a work sector wage gap.

Pfft no. It's only fair that women get the same pay as the CEO of a multinational, because vagina.

Duhhhh.
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Solution: Make jobs that mostly women do pay a lot more. There, true equality.
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Feminism is cancer.
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They get equal prize money in sports like tennis despite playing less sets.

That's an inequality I'd like to see addressed. Want the same prize money as the men? Play the same length games then ffs.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

Feminism is cancer.

No, it isn't. Please turn away from the alt-right's rhetoric.

Actually woman in there 20's get paid more than men for the same job, it's in their mid 30's it diverges due to life choices, but feminists expect women to get paid the same and have the same premonition opportunities after taking maternity leave and by choice not working the same sort of hours a man does.

And yes feminism is cancer, it's the same entitled bullcrap you see from much of the left those days they want the same benfits but don't want to put the same amount of time and effort into it.

And this is why social justice is a joke and will always be a joke. This has been debunked countless times, but they still spout it as fact. There is an earnings gap between the two genders. That is a fact. That fact is easily explained by various factors that have nothing to do with discrimination. Yet despite seemingly acknowledging that in the very text, they still pretend like they dont know. The funniest thing will always be that painting it that way portrays women as useless.

I make more than my female co-workers, but tbh that's because I'm a gigantic loser who's married to his menial job. Work harder, get paid more. Seems fair to me.
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How would I know what my co-workers make? People actually reveal this?
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Wife works as a teacher, published wages. I work in the military also public records
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bluezero posted...

How would I know what my co-workers make? People actually reveal this?

Yeah?

Don't you talk to people?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

bluezero posted...

How would I know what my co-workers make? People actually reveal this?

Yeah?

Don't you talk to people?

I talk to people plenty, but not about my or their salary.
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bluezero posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

bluezero posted...

How would I know what my co-workers make? People actually reveal this?

Yeah?

Don't you talk to people?

I talk to people plenty, but not about my or their salary.

you should. your potential new employers all talk to equifax about your previous salary

https://www.nbcnews.com/technology/exclusive-your-employer-may-share-your-salary-equifax-might-sell-1B8173066

imo there are 3 things that will resolve most inequality that isn't a result strictly of choice:

1) salary transparency. glassdoor and salary.com help. but while employed you should be free to talk to your peers about your salary. the information needs to be available to all workers. and they need to be able to understand what their market value is. women change jobs less and accept lower starting pay than men, and really neither is reflective of 'fair practice' though it certainly isn't mens' fault.
2) maternity leave. we need federally mandated parental leave, period. the employment gap/experience gap that forms as a result of becoming a parent drives a lot of the wage gap, as there is NO gap between childless women and childless men.
3) work from home. most office jobs can be done from home. there is value in working in the office, but a job that can be done from home and isn't becomes an extra burden on people caring for children and people taking care of elderly parents, which are disproportionately women.

none of this shit is mens' fault but not only does it create inequality that isnt' a result of people's choices, it also drives choices to do things like work in a lower-paying job because it allows them to address these unaddressed issues on their own

if discussion about the pay gap centered on this (and not on making society value the jobs women gravitate to be paid more, as if that were remotely possible) there would be progress. i feel so much of our political dialogue is built in soundbytes that it won't happen, so the gap will increase as these problems continue to challenge women both in the US (where not even #2 is addressed) and globally.
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bluezero posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

bluezero posted...

How would I know what my co-workers make? People actually reveal this?

Yeah?

Don't you talk to people?

I talk to people plenty, but not about my or their salary.

That's sad
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Nazanir posted...

Laserion posted...

Often this is because the sectors women tend to work in such as administration, health and social care and retail are not valued and paid as much as they should be. Anne Milton, minister of state for apprenticeships and skills and minister for women, said: The pay gap wont close on its own we all need to take action to make sure we address this.

Wait. This is about different jobs? I thought this was about men vs women on the same jobs.
This is not a gender wage gap. This is a work sector wage gap.

Pfft no. It's only fair that women get the same pay as the CEO of a multinational, because vagina.

Duhhhh.

And how many global corps have female ceos?
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clam feminists

so, where exactly is this "pay gap", objectively?

specifically, point it out. where is the pay gap
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