Current Events > Star Wars TLJ Rotten Tomato Critic score: 93%, Audience score: 56%

(+) Yeah! (+)

Seems like a pretty big discrepancy
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I'm not sure how TLJ is anything less than a good movie.
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Compared to TFA

93% Critic score
88% Audience score
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Critics were paid off
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Disney would crush you if you gave it a bad review
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It doee seem a very divisive film
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reviewers (attempt to) view movies analytically rather than just for entertainment, and maybe most of them found stuff to like because of that
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeXatquVqAc
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I think some of it might be fans finally realizing that Star Wars doesn't make smart movies.
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seeing it on sunday. I keep seeing lots of shittalking about it, but I am avoiding reading too much into it. I'll make up my own mind. alot of people talked shit about Force Awakens and I liked that movie

boxington posted...

reviewers (attempt to) view movies analytically rather than just for entertainment, and maybe most of them found stuff to like because of that

Yeah, because Star Wars and Marvel movies are far too sophisticated for the masses to understand
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I meant that maybe they liked other things than just the story/writing

cinematography, music, set design, etc.
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Actually, I take it back.

What's most likely happening is that critics see flaws, but still say it's an overall enjoyable movie (a "positive" review). Fans, meanwhile, are more likely to let the things they dislike sour their opinion of the movie as a whole, which means they give it a "negative" review.
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Heard a bunch of shit about it, saw it, came out thinking it was a pretty great movie all in all
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These new movies are technically competent films in that they check off all the boxes that make a mind numbing lights and laser show that have become the Star Wars franchise. That's all these critics look for. Thus they get "fresh" reviews.
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Lowest rated star wars movie. I bet people wish lucas was back in charge lol.
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HashtagTartarus posted...

I'm not sure how TLJ is anything less than a good movie.

This. I thought it was great, as did the 3 people I went with. Sure, it was different compared to the previous rooms and I did have a couple of problems with things (mainly a certain scene involving Leia). But other than that, I thoroughly enjoyed it and it ranks as one of my favourite SW movies and was was far better than TFA which bored me.
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The larger amount of the audience (families and children) were more than likely upset about *spoilers* luke dying, the scene with snoke was somewhat graphic, and you have mature themes overall about failure, which is a lot darker than most star wars films. As a fan of the EU, i'm very glad at the direction this movie took over the bullshit that EU books start on any character whatsoever.
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I read the spoilers that everyone was so outraged over and I myself was pissed.

Just saw the movie and everything was fucking incredible, and all the spoiler stuff taken in proper context was great. People are just being whiny bitches on the internet like they always are. I bet a lot of those audience scores were from people who didn't even see the movie and were just mad about the spoilers they read.

Easily better than TFA, on par with ESB and RO. All in my opinion, of course.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Actually, I take it back.

What's most likely happening is that critics see flaws, but still say it's an overall enjoyable movie (a "positive" review). Fans, meanwhile, are more likely to let the things they dislike sour their opinion of the movie as a whole, which means they give it a "negative" review.

In other words, critics are dishonest but fans know what they like and will tell it like it is.
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Funbazooka posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Actually, I take it back.

What's most likely happening is that critics see flaws, but still say it's an overall enjoyable movie (a "positive" review). Fans, meanwhile, are more likely to let the things they dislike sour their opinion of the movie as a whole, which means they give it a "negative" review.

In other words, critics are dishonest but fans know what they like and will tell it like it is.

That's not at all what I meant.
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I feel like critics straight up wouldn't want to give Star Wars a bad review.
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Reviewers didn't want to get "LA Times'd" by Disney so they bowed before their overlords.

"the majority of reviewers have a consensus on something that I disagree with, so they must be paid off"
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Actually, I take it back.

What's most likely happening is that critics see flaws, but still say it's an overall enjoyable movie (a "positive" review). Fans, meanwhile, are more likely to let the things they dislike sour their opinion of the movie as a whole, which means they give it a "negative" review.

In other words, critics are dishonest but fans know what they like and will tell it like it is.

That's not at all what I meant.

Sure but it's one way to interpret what you said, from a certain point of view.

Gotta remember, almost 100% of the "critics" like it (suspicious to say the least) whereas the commoners are roughly divided on it. You say fans are more likely to let things sour their opinion and give it a negative rating but actually what we know is that fans are divided.
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I enjoyed the film
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boxington posted...

"the majority of reviewers have a consensus on something that I disagree with, so they must be paid off"

Paid off, don't want to be blacklisted by Disney, generally out of touch with the public.

It's combination of all those reasons.

In any case, they don't serve the interests of the public, that much is clear. Their opinions and attitudes hold little to no value.
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or they could have, you know, enjoyed the movie

Edit: and to be fair, a lot of the audience enjoyment number thing was influenced by people who didn't see the movie yet.

not to discount the people who legitimately didn't like it.
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And by serving the interests of the readers, I mean serving the reader a well-balanced, fair, insightful review to inform that reader whether or not they should check it out, ideally. Once upon a time that's how this was supposed to work.
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Funbazooka posted...

And by serving the interests of the readers, I mean serving the reader a well-balanced, fair, insightful review to inform that reader whether or not they should check it out, ideally. Once upon a time that's how this was supposed to work.

how do you know that's not what the reviewers did, from their perspective?
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I really didn't like 7. Thought this was much better than 7 and a little better than rogue one.

Good flick. It beats all but the original trilogy and maybe 3.
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Simply because the discrepancy is too huge. They don't have to be nor should they be lockstep together in the percentages but something's clearly amiss that is, unless you would rather dismiss about half of the audience that aren't paid to write movie advertisements disguised as critical examinations.
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People still don't understand how RT works. It's 94% simply means that 94% of critics think it's at least an above-average movie. Which it objectively is. You cannot possibly look at TLJ and think it's a legitimately bad film. If you look at the acting, the directing, the cinematography, all of the effort put into little details that people won't even notice on a first or even second viewing, you can tell that, despite some creative decisions that might not sit well with the Star Wars fanbase, it's a well-constructed film. A lot of the fan outcry is people being dramatic yet again.

Many of the complaints about TLJ aren't actual complaints about it's quality as a film, but rather in how it deals with the lore in relation to the other Star Wars movies, something that fans care about far more than critics do.
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Well it's a Star Wars sequel, in the middle of a new trilogy.

If this movie as is, was released as the very first Star Wars movie ever made literally everyone would just be scratching their heads. Bye smell ya later!

You can't remove it or isolate from the franchise that it is built on.

No one's putting with the likes of Manos the Hands of Fate or The Room or anything. It's a competent movie with competent movie things, yes of course.

Doesn't mean it's a good Star Wars sequel and that's the name of the game here bucko
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I also hate the double standards of the Star Wars fanbase.

People always complain about Rey being too "powerful in the Force" but back in the old EU when we had Galen Marek force swipe a lightsaber right out of Darth motherfuckin' Vader's hands as a toddler nobody even cared.

Then there's the Leia scene that everybody is making a big fuss over, but in current Star Wars canon, we had a guy that literally survived getting bisected in half before falling down what was essentially a bottomless pit.

People don't seem to get that the Star Wars universe is, well, a universe. Ideas are constantly being expanded upon or reworked. This happens with any franchise big enough to have its own dedicated lore spanning across hundreds of expanded material. You're always learning about new things. Like how we didn't learn until Episode 3 that it was possible to literally create life through the Force.
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I - VI Lucas forever.
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didn't Lucas direct I-IV, and others did the rest?
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boxington posted...

didn't Lucas direct I-IV, and others did the rest?

He didn't direct V or VI but he wrote them and called the shots, so he may as well have.
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boxington posted...

"the majority of reviewers have a consensus on something that I disagree with, so they must be paid off"

You act like there is no precedent for this
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ledbowman posted...

boxington posted...

didn't Lucas direct I-IV, and others did the rest?

He didn't direct V or VI but he wrote them and called the shots, so he may as well have.

hmm

UnfairRepresent posted...

boxington posted...

"the majority of reviewers have a consensus on something that I disagree with, so they must be paid off"

You act like there is no precedent for this

precedent for a majority of viewers being paid off, or people believing that reviewers were paid off because they didn't agree with their views?
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boxington posted...

precedent for a majority of viewers being paid off, or people believing that reviewers were paid off because they didn't agree with their views?

precedence for uber popular movies providing incentives for good reviews
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I don't always trust critics, but I trust Average Joe Moviegoer even less. The masses have notoriously bad taste.
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It's just Star Wars nerds being pissy. Most likely TLJ is a great movie.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

It's just Star Wars nerds being pissy. Most likely TLJ is a great movie.

It's not great. 7/10 max.
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The Force Anleashed is better tbh
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littlebro07 posted...

I read the spoilers that everyone was so outraged over and I myself was pissed.

Just saw the movie and everything was fucking incredible, and all the spoiler stuff taken in proper context was great. People are just being whiny bitches on the internet like they always are. I bet a lot of those audience scores were from people who didn't even see the movie and were just mad about the spoilers they read.

Easily better than TFA, on par with ESB and RO. All in my opinion, of course.

Only a troll would think TLJ was better then TFA or that RO was equal to ESB.
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lilORANG posted...

Lowest rated star wars movie. I bet people wish lucas was back in charge lol.

Never.

That bastard proved his ineptitude when he made the abominations that were episodes 1 and 2.
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ColdOne666 posted...

littlebro07 posted...

I read the spoilers that everyone was so outraged over and I myself was pissed.

Just saw the movie and everything was fucking incredible, and all the spoiler stuff taken in proper context was great. People are just being whiny bitches on the internet like they always are. I bet a lot of those audience scores were from people who didn't even see the movie and were just mad about the spoilers they read.

Easily better than TFA, on par with ESB and RO. All in my opinion, of course.

Only a troll would think TLJ was better then TFA or that RO was equal to ESB.

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Lucas is good. he just needs people to tell him NO on his zanier ideas
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I figure that reviewers are like casual SW fans and liked it because it was SW.
Meanwhile your actual hardcore fans didn't like directions and decisions they made
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