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voldothegr8
02/15/18 8:17:27 AM
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And yes, they probably mean women.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5392363/Army-wont-require-recruits-throw-grenade-far-enough.html

The United States Army will no longer require recruits to show they can throw hand grenades 25 meters because many of them cant throw the explosive far enough, it revealed on Friday.

The Army says that starting next summer it will remove the requirement from its Basic Combat Training because it takes too much time to teach enlistees to throw grenades at an adequate distance.

The new policy was reported by Military.com.

What we have found is it is taking far, far too much time, said Maj. Gen. Malcolm Frost, the commanding general of the US Army Center of Initial Military Training.

It's taking three to four times as much time ... just to qualify folks on the hand grenade course than we had designated so what is happening is it is taking away from other aspects of training.

We are finding that there are a large number of trainees that come in that quite frankly just physically don't have the capacity to throw a hand grenade 20 to 25 to 30 meters, he said.

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FluttershyPony
02/15/18 8:18:16 AM
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soyboys cant throw it seems
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Unsugarized_Foo
02/15/18 8:19:20 AM
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Baseball is dead
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iClockwork
02/15/18 8:21:03 AM
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Don't we have grenade launchers? Why do we need to throw them?
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Awesome
02/15/18 8:21:12 AM
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we are lowering our standards for combat because our people cant do it and we dont want to hurt their feelings.

This is definitely bizarro world.
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MrResetti
02/15/18 8:23:35 AM
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27_Sandman_40 posted...
Yeah Im pretty sure throwing a grenade is useless when they decided long ago that the Army would be cannon fodder for those who actually are specialized in coordinated combat.

Think you have the army mistaken with the Marines.
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Aristoph
02/15/18 8:24:58 AM
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Would've probably gone over a whole lot better if they'd kept the "these kids can't throw far enough" out of the public explanation and just given some bullshit "we don't typically have engagements that require throwing a hand grenade very far anymore, so we're just gonna show them proper form and drop the distance requirement."

I mean, you could easily see that as a justifiable explanation and wouldn't need to stir up any controversial shit in the process. I don't understand why people are so fucking bad at coming up with decent explanations for this kind of stuff anymore.
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12amMadman
02/15/18 8:29:11 AM
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Lmao if you can't throw 25 meters
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Fam_Fam
02/15/18 8:34:34 AM
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Aristoph posted...
Would've probably gone over a whole lot better if they'd kept the "these kids can't throw far enough" out of the public explanation and just given some bullshit "we don't typically have engagements that require throwing a hand grenade very far anymore, so we're just gonna show them proper form and drop the distance requirement."

I mean, you could easily see that as a justifiable explanation and wouldn't need to stir up any controversial shit in the process. I don't understand why people are so fucking bad at coming up with decent explanations for this kind of stuff anymore.


because some people don't like to lie?
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Looked gf
02/15/18 8:40:37 AM
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Aristoph
02/15/18 8:54:16 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
Aristoph posted...
Would've probably gone over a whole lot better if they'd kept the "these kids can't throw far enough" out of the public explanation and just given some bullshit "we don't typically have engagements that require throwing a hand grenade very far anymore, so we're just gonna show them proper form and drop the distance requirement."

I mean, you could easily see that as a justifiable explanation and wouldn't need to stir up any controversial shit in the process. I don't understand why people are so fucking bad at coming up with decent explanations for this kind of stuff anymore.


because some people don't like to lie?


Bullshit.

If you're in charge of literally anything when it comes to running a country, you lie out your ass every fucking chance you can get.
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FLUFFYGERM
02/15/18 8:55:07 AM
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12amMadman posted...
Lmao if you can't throw 25 meters

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R_Jackal
02/15/18 8:58:58 AM
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Aristoph posted...
Fam_Fam posted...
Aristoph posted...
Would've probably gone over a whole lot better if they'd kept the "these kids can't throw far enough" out of the public explanation and just given some bullshit "we don't typically have engagements that require throwing a hand grenade very far anymore, so we're just gonna show them proper form and drop the distance requirement."

I mean, you could easily see that as a justifiable explanation and wouldn't need to stir up any controversial shit in the process. I don't understand why people are so fucking bad at coming up with decent explanations for this kind of stuff anymore.


because some people don't like to lie?


Bullshit.

If you're in charge of literally anything when it comes to running a country, you lie out your ass every fucking chance you can get.


It's the military. If they can take a shot at you, they will. Referring to verbally in this case.
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CEs_EFG
02/15/18 9:02:25 AM
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I hated the way you had to throw it, it's all weird it's not like throwing a football it's more like a chuck also

iClockwork posted...
Don't we have grenade launchers? Why do we need to throw them?


Second stupidest comment

27_Sandman_40 posted...
Yeah Im pretty sure throwing a grenade is useless when they decided long ago that the Army would be cannon fodder for those who actually are specialized in coordinated combat.


Stupidest post
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myzz7
02/15/18 9:03:29 AM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
12amMadman posted...
Lmao if you can't throw 25 meters

women recruits
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Aristoph
02/15/18 9:05:50 AM
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CEs_EFG posted...
I hated the way you had to throw it, it's all weird it's not like throwing a football it's more like a chuck also


I've never thrown a grenade, so I could be way off, but isn't the form all weird like that because the weight makes it easy to hurt your wrist/elbow if you try to throw it like a baseball or a football?
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Omega Hunter
02/15/18 9:05:59 AM
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myzz7 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
12amMadman posted...
Lmao if you can't throw 25 meters

women recruits


Ding ding ding
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Steve Nick
02/15/18 9:06:46 AM
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There's no way anyone shouldn't be able to throw something for 25 meters after basic training muscles them up.

If your recruits can't throw for 25 meters, then fucking train them?
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ClockworkHare
02/15/18 9:06:59 AM
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Have they tried throwing underhand? That worked for me back in little league.
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CEs_EFG
02/15/18 9:07:43 AM
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Aristoph posted...
CEs_EFG posted...
I hated the way you had to throw it, it's all weird it's not like throwing a football it's more like a chuck also


I've never thrown a grenade, so I could be way off, but isn't the form all weird like that because the weight makes it easy to hurt your wrist/elbow if you try to throw it like a baseball or a football?


Idk grenades aren't heavy at all just the way you have to throw it to pass basic is weird.
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iClockwork
02/15/18 9:14:52 AM
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CEs_EFG posted...
Second stupidest comment

Nope when you have a tool you use it. do you put screws in your wall using you fingers? No you use a screwdriver.
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GeneralKenobi85
02/15/18 9:16:56 AM
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iClockwork posted...
CEs_EFG posted...
Second stupidest comment

Nope when you have a tool you use it. do you put screws in your wall using you fingers? No you use a screwdriver.

Yeah carrying a grenade launcher around at all times in addition to all the other stuff you have to carry sure seems practical.
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CEs_EFG
02/15/18 9:22:18 AM
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iClockwork posted...
CEs_EFG posted...
Second stupidest comment

Nope when you have a tool you use it. do you put screws in your wall using you fingers? No you use a screwdriver.


Because I want to carry a grenade launcher everywhere right? Instead of just building minimum upper body strength that I shouldve had anyway
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Vaati_Reborn
02/15/18 9:23:51 AM
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just shove them in those t-shirt launchers. problem solved
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iClockwork
02/15/18 9:25:13 AM
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...
Yeah carrying a grenade launcher around at all times in addition to all the other stuff you have to carry sure seems practical.

CEs_EFG posted...
Because I want to carry a grenade launcher everywhere right? Instead of just building minimum upper body strength that I shouldve had anyway

h1lCOPu
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A_Good_Boy
02/15/18 9:28:51 AM
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Why are we assuming it's just because of women? Recruits are drawing from an ever increasing pool of obese and sedentary population of people. They're turning away a lot more people in record numbers. Even the Chinese military is having an issue with their recruits, I read one article where a Chinese general says that all of their enlistees are fat crybabies that masturbate too much. I don't see why it would be any different in America. Here it's probably even worse.
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GeneralKenobi85
02/15/18 9:51:29 AM
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iClockwork posted...
GeneralKenobi85 posted...
Yeah carrying a grenade launcher around at all times in addition to all the other stuff you have to carry sure seems practical.

CEs_EFG posted...
Because I want to carry a grenade launcher everywhere right? Instead of just building minimum upper body strength that I shouldve had anyway

h1lCOPu

Fair enough, although I assume that since underbarrel grenade launchers haven't totally replaced hand grenades, there are certain scenarios where you'd be better off with hand grenades.

Or maybe it's just a cost thing. I imagine someone with more military knowledge could explain.
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KlownArt
02/15/18 10:05:56 AM
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Women didn't just start throwing grenades recently. They've done it fine for a long time.

I'm going to guess it has more to do with the cost of the whole thing versus how much use each soldier gets out of it.
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Steelix500
02/15/18 10:14:56 AM
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WTF, it only took us 2 days when I went through >_>
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NINExATExSEVEN
02/15/18 10:18:17 AM
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So either it's true that effeminate men are on the rise or these new recruits are women and are just not as physically strong as males.

What a society we have.
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eston
02/15/18 10:20:27 AM
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Personally I blame the dads of America. We been fucking up too long, there's too many single mothers, and now our soldiers can't throw a damn grenade
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Lorenzo_2003
02/15/18 10:21:27 AM
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iClockwork posted...
Don't we have grenade launchers? Why do we need to throw them?


Lmao. This is one of those times when Im glad certain people are not depended upon to do things that might be challenging, risky, and important.
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apolloooo
02/15/18 10:23:02 AM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
12amMadman posted...
Lmao if you can't throw 25 meters

This. It really doesnt even require that much strength. Unless it is just too heavy, the thing you require is a good throwing posture utilizing the force from body movement
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Knowledge_King
02/15/18 10:23:50 AM
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It's always been stupid to change requirements, even based on gender. There needs to be one standard and anyone of any gender or w/e that reaches that standard gets in. If you don't? Tough cookies.

Making your military weaker for inclusion purposes is the stupidest thing.
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EvalAngell
02/15/18 10:25:07 AM
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how much you wanna bet I can throw a nade over them mountains?

man if Captain had put me in in 'Nam we woulda taken it....

Don't ya wish you could go back?
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iClockwork
02/15/18 10:32:10 AM
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...
Or maybe it's just a cost thing.

US Military not having enough money for grenade launchers AHAHAHAHAHA
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LJRENEGADE
02/15/18 10:37:29 AM
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I'm not in the military and I've never used a grenade/grenade launcher, but I'd imagine its harder to aim a grenade launcher at the right arc than to simply throw it. And its probably easier/faster to throw grenades then to have to keep loading them into a grenade launcher. And the added weight of the launcher probably isn't good, especially for aiming the guns when using them normally, if we're talking about those underbarrel grenade launchers that is.
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Lorenzo_2003
02/15/18 10:41:38 AM
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EvalAngell posted...
how much you wanna bet I can throw a nade over them mountains?

man if Captain had put me in in 'Nam we woulda taken it....

Don't ya wish you could go back?


There will never be a sequel. That kinda makes me sad.
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The_OD
02/15/18 10:43:56 AM
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Aristoph posted...
CEs_EFG posted...
I hated the way you had to throw it, it's all weird it's not like throwing a football it's more like a chuck also


I've never thrown a grenade, so I could be way off, but isn't the form all weird like that because the weight makes it easy to hurt your wrist/elbow if you try to throw it like a baseball or a football?

http://i52.tinypic.com/2h4yhr4.jpg

that is the form that I was taught back in 2001 in ft.knox
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iClockwork
02/15/18 10:44:02 AM
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LJRENEGADE posted...
I'm not in the military and I've never used a grenade/grenade launcher, but I'd imagine its harder to aim a grenade launcher at the right arc than to simply throw it. And its probably easier/faster to throw grenades then to have to keep loading them into a grenade launcher. And the added weight of the launcher probably isn't good, especially for aiming the guns when using them normally, if we're talking about those underbarrel grenade launchers that is.

That's why you learn to aim the launcher in basic instead of spending time throwing them...

Always having them on the rifle would make no difference to your aim...

You don't continuously throw grenades...
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EvalAngell
02/15/18 10:44:40 AM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
EvalAngell posted...
how much you wanna bet I can throw a nade over them mountains?

man if Captain had put me in in 'Nam we woulda taken it....

Don't ya wish you could go back?


There will never be a sequel. That kinda makes me sad.


the cartoon was supposed to be the sequel. What a shame.
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CEs_EFG
02/15/18 11:13:02 AM
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iClockwork posted...
GeneralKenobi85 posted...
Yeah carrying a grenade launcher around at all times in addition to all the other stuff you have to carry sure seems practical.

CEs_EFG posted...
Because I want to carry a grenade launcher everywhere right? Instead of just building minimum upper body strength that I shouldve had anyway

h1lCOPu


You want to carry 7 to 10 extra pounds on your rifle that's already 14 pounds? I'm glad you're not making any decisions
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CEs_EFG
02/15/18 11:15:23 AM
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iClockwork posted...
GeneralKenobi85 posted...
Or maybe it's just a cost thing.

US Military not having enough money for grenade launchers AHAHAHAHAHA


It's not about money it's that those things are heavy on your arms and make it harder to shoot In any type of situation.
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spudger
02/15/18 11:17:53 AM
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How are grenades still used in 2018
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s0nicfan
02/15/18 11:18:07 AM
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Aristoph posted...
Would've probably gone over a whole lot better if they'd kept the "these kids can't throw far enough" out of the public explanation and just given some bullshit "we don't typically have engagements that require throwing a hand grenade very far anymore, so we're just gonna show them proper form and drop the distance requirement."

I mean, you could easily see that as a justifiable explanation and wouldn't need to stir up any controversial shit in the process. I don't understand why people are so fucking bad at coming up with decent explanations for this kind of stuff anymore.


Why should they intentionally obscure the real reason for dropping the requirement? Are you actually advocating they just make shit up?
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CEs_EFG
02/15/18 11:18:18 AM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
iClockwork posted...
Don't we have grenade launchers? Why do we need to throw them?


Lmao. This is one of those times when Im glad certain people are not depended upon to do things that might be challenging, risky, and important.


This is the type of guy who says shit like "why don't you just grab ammo from dead enemies and keep fighting" and expexts to get taken seriously
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eston
02/15/18 11:18:59 AM
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iClockwork posted...
You don't continuously throw grenades...

Maybe you dont...
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