Current Events > Why do people think an assault rifle ban would ban AR-15s?

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You know, given that it's not one.

I'm solidly left and feel something needs to be done to address this issue, but goddamn do I hate dumbasses no matter where they fall on the political spectrum.

These are the same type of idiots that think "chemicals" being in food is bad and that gluten-free is a thing you should be if you don't have celiac disease.
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AssultTank posted...

Because they have next to no knowledge of guns, how they work, or even the laws regarding them right now. They're trying to legislate based on their emotions without stopping to think about the situation logically.

Bingo.
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i don't think a person who is not well versed in the terminology and categorization of guns is a "dumbass" for wanting gun control.
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Assault rifles are already banned fam.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

i don't think a person who is not well versed in the terminology and categorization of guns is a "dumbass" for wanting gun control.

This. I am really tired of this smug attitude of many gun havers that you must be a gun enthusiast with an encyclopedic knowledge of guns brands, types, accessories, capabilities, and laws before you can so much as comment on gun related issues. None of that has anything to do with mental health screening and stricter background checks etc

It's right up there with demanding that people not have emotional responses to mass killings and saying that attempting to talk about solutions to recurring societal ills is "politicizing a tragedy" rather than inevitable and common sense.
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As an ultra pro-gun person, the whole "hur dur dats not wut a 'asshalt' rifle issss" bullshit is really not helping anybody.
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Materus posted...

Assault rifles are already banned fam.

This. Anyone hoping for an assault rifle ban will be glad to know that they already are banned.

Honestly, it seems most people's hard on for the AR-15 stems from the fact that they think AR-15 stands for Assault Rifle 15
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Id imagine a new ban would be much like the last one where they classify assualt rifles to be pretty much whatever they want.
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I think the argument can be made an AR-15 is an assault weapon, considering, well, 'recent events'
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They're liberals. Liberals operate on emotion, not rationality, fact, or reason. "We have to do SOMETHING!" Ok, what? "Ban assault rifles!" Been banned since 1986, next? "YOU WANT TO SEE CHILDREN DIE!"
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DezDroppedFreak posted...

I think the argument can be made an AR-15 is an assault weapon, considering, well, 'recent events'

Assault weapon vs assault rifle. They're two fundamentally different terms.

An assault rifle is a select fire, intermediate caliber weapon that can fire in burst or full automatic. An "assault weapon" is any weapon with a couple of cosmetic attachments that the Democrats think looks a bit scary.
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r4X0r posted...

DezDroppedFreak posted...

I think the argument can be made an AR-15 is an assault weapon, considering, well, 'recent events'

Assault weapon vs assault rifle. They're two fundamentally different things.

Yes, and most people wanting stricter gun control laws like myself are wanting an assault weapons ban
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deupd_u posted...

As an ultra pro-gun person, the whole "hur dur dats not wut a 'asshalt' rifle issss" bullshit is really not helping anybody.

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deupd_u posted...

As an ultra pro-gun person, the whole "hur dur dats not wut a 'asshalt' rifle issss" bullshit is really not helping anybody.

It is important to have the basic terms right. How can you have any kind of discussions if people refuse to learn the basic definitions?

For someone who has zero interest in guns, it would not take them more than 10 minutes to learn the difference between semi-automatic, automatic, and bolt/pump/lever/etc. action. and what an assault rifle is. Yet so many of the loudest gun-control advocates get these things completely wrong time and time again - even to the point where they have become upset at people ignoring a bill to ban something that is already effectively banned.
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There's a zero percent chance of any type of gun ban happening under a Republican majority. A bump stock ban maybe (although I really doubt it), but only if they think it'll placate Dems.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

deupd_u posted...

As an ultra pro-gun person, the whole "hur dur dats not wut a 'asshalt' rifle issss" bullshit is really not helping anybody.

What do you want us to then? have a full on argument with someone about the banning of assault rifles even though they're already banned?
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DezDroppedFreak posted...

r4X0r posted...

DezDroppedFreak posted...

I think the argument can be made an AR-15 is an assault weapon, considering, well, 'recent events'

Assault weapon vs assault rifle. They're two fundamentally different things.

Yes, and most people wanting stricter gun control laws like myself are wanting an assault weapons ban

And you want that because you don't realize that an "assault weapons ban" doesn't take away dangerous weapons, it takes away dangerous looking weapons.

Which one of these is the dangerous assault weapon and which one is the innocent sporting rifle?




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r4X0r posted...

They're liberals. Liberals operate on emotion, not rationality, fact, or reason.

And conservatives are so rational. They certainly operate on fact and reason. This is why they try to destroy separation of church and state and attempt moronic things such as banning gay marriage, lining the pockets of the already wealthy, and starting wars.
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StucklnMyPants posted...

There's a zero percent chance of any type of gun ban happening under a Republican majority. A bump stock ban maybe (although I really doubt it), but only if they think it'll placate Dems.

That will just be an excuse for any real gun reform.
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3deep5u posted...

r4X0r posted...

They're liberals. Liberals operate on emotion, not rationality, fact, or reason.

And conservatives are so rational. They certainly operate on fact and reason. This is why they try to destroy separation of church and state and attempt moronic things such as banning gay marriage, lining the pockets of the already wealthy, and starting wars.

There's perfectly rational reasons why many Republicans do what you call "destroy the separation of church and state" and oppose gay marriage. As far as "lining the pockets of the wealthy" and "starting wars," where the hell were you during the Obama administration? They bombed more countries than Bush and used the "stimulus" and green energy investing as slush funds for their friends.
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DezDroppedFreak posted...

StucklnMyPants posted...

There's a zero percent chance of any type of gun ban happening under a Republican majority. A bump stock ban maybe (although I really doubt it), but only if they think it'll placate Dems.

That will just be an excuse for any real gun reform.

We don't need gun reform. We need crazy people reform. It's truly mind boggling that people can look at somebody who had the cops called on them 36 times, was reported to the FBI twice, was reported to the school multiple times and was interviewed by child protective services go and do something terrible and then turn around and blame the gun.
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DezDroppedFreak posted...

r4X0r posted...

DezDroppedFreak posted...

I think the argument can be made an AR-15 is an assault weapon, considering, well, 'recent events'

Assault weapon vs assault rifle. They're two fundamentally different things.

Yes, and most people wanting stricter gun control laws like myself are wanting an assault weapons ban

There are dozens if not a hundred or more rifles that you can purchase that are functionally equivalent to an AR-15. The reason why I will continue to oppose an "assault weapons" ban or an AR-15 ban is because it allows people ban weapons based on nothing.

If someone tried to craft a piece of legislation to ban the AR-15 and they actually based their legislation on its ballistic capabilities, this would ban a lot of different weapons and would be extremely unpopular. I think some people on the left actually understand this. So instead they plan to slowly chisel away at gun rights by going after the AR-15 or specific models. Once they're successful with that, maybe a mass shooter in the future will use a mini 14 which would be functionally equivalent to an AR-15 for the purposes of a mass shooting. So then they'll attack that next, and this time they'll have the precedent of the AR-15 ban on their side.
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A bump stock ban doesnt really mean anything. You can achieve the same effect using a belt loop.
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ITT: There's perfectly rational reasons to ignore the constitution when it comes to muh christianity but banning certain types of guns couldn't possibly be supported by reason

I'm out.
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Nomadic View posted...

A bump stock ban doesnt really mean anything. You can achieve the same effect using a belt loop.

You can very easily modify a standard telescoping stock to have the exact same effect.
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3deep5u posted...

ITT: There's perfectly rational reasons to ignore the constitution when it comes to muh christianity but banning certain types of guns couldn't possibly be supported by reason

I'm out.

All the Constitution says is that the government cannot pass a law establishing a national religion. That's it. Most of what the left freaks out over "separation of church and state" is fabricated in their heads.
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If you don't know even the basics about guns or any of the current gun laws, you shouldn't be discussing gun laws. Period.
Educate yourself before you speak on the matter.
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It looks scary it must be an assault rifle
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The reason the AR-15 is more popular than any other rifle is because it's cheap, domestic, easy to use, pretty much every gun manufacturer makes one these days and they are very customizable, not to mention most shooters who were formerly in the military like police officers are already trained in using the military version of it.
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Just now, on the CNN Town Hall, the guy that looks Joe from Master Chef said that there's no reason for anyone to own a firearm that can fire 150 rounds in 7 or 8 minutes...

That goes well beyond rifles. He would want to ban all semi-automatic handguns as well.
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I like how the people trying to make fun of conservatives for wanting emotion based legislation by saying shit like but mah christianity when theyre the same ones going but mah children and begging for emotion based legislation.
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2SweetforTurtle posted...

I like how the people trying to make fun of conservatives for wanting emotion based legislation by saying shit like but mah christianity when theyre the same ones going but mah children and begging for emotion based legislation.

This whole thing is a circus. The left didn't like it when Trump brought the families of people who were murdered by illegal immigrants out during his state of the union address. They weren't all of sudden clamoring to build the wall and fund ICE and end sanctuary cities afterward. But now they want their emotional rhetoric to decide policy.
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Why do people think an assault rifle ban would ban AR-15s?

If it doesn't, it should.
Dear murricuh', You're not well but we want to help you get it together, lose the hardware. Signed, the rest of the developed world.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

There are dozens if not a hundred or more rifles that you can purchase that are functionally equivalent to an AR-15. The reason why I will continue to oppose an "assault weapons" ban or an AR-15 ban is because it allows people ban weapons based on nothing.

If someone tried to craft a piece of legislation to ban the AR-15 and they actually based their legislation on its ballistic capabilities, this would ban a lot of different weapons and would be extremely unpopular. I think some people on the left actually understand this. So instead they plan to slowly chisel away at gun rights by going after the AR-15 or specific models. Once they're successful with that, maybe a mass shooter in the future will use a mini 14 which would be functionally equivalent to an AR-15 for the purposes of a mass shooting. So then they'll attack that next, and this time they'll have the precedent of the AR-15 ban on their side.

Now you know why we can never be on the same page.

We KNOW EXACTLY what you are trying to do. We've know for QUITE A WHILE.

So instead of legislating against PEOPLE who screw up like the FBI, the teachers, the criminals.

You want to ENACT COLLECTIVE Punishment on law abiding 2nd Amendment Supporters / Gun Owners.

The moment you can come up with a legislation that IS NOT A form of COLLECTIVE Punishment for us, we can talk.

Until, then; you'll get 100% resistance to ANY of your ideas.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/17/us/other-school-incidents-since-florida-shooting-trnd/index.html
http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/court-records-darby-senior-said-he-d-shoot-students-in/article_5d48b979-4718-552c-863f-207bb6fa7abe.html#tracking-source=home-top-story
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/02/luis-valdes/wakulla-county-fl-sheriffs-office-fbi-couldnt-stop-possible-school-shooting/

Oh look; Other towns and areas can PAY ATTENTION to their troubled teens and report them to the local authorities and PROSECUTE their Sociopathic Sorry Arses.

The multi-level Personnel Failure of Florida IS NOT THE FAULT of Law Abiding Gun Owners.

Get that through your head.

Do not try to enact COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT on us; OR ELSE face MUCH MORE RESISTANCE from us from now to ETERNITY!!!

WE WANT ALL OF OUR RIGHTS BACK for ALL LAW ABIDING 2A owners.

PERIOD.

We're tired of being your Gun Hating Whipping Post.
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legendary_zell posted...

I am really tired of this smug attitude of many gun havers that you must be a gun enthusiast with an encyclopedic knowledge of guns brands, types, accessories, capabilities, and laws before you can so much as comment on gun related issues

If you're proposing legislation, yes, you do need to know terminology, because if you ban "100 round clips" for whatever stupid reason, it won't affect anything, because guns use magazines. So good work banning something no one was using, I guess.
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Syntheticon posted...

If it doesn't, it should.
Dear murricuh', You're not well but we want to help you get it together, lose the hardware. Signed, the rest of the developed world.

Dear Rest of the World, you can either fight for your 2nd Amendment Equivalent rights back, or go SOD OFF!!

Stop letting Tyrannical Governments decide what you can / cannot do.

All those Tyrannical Governments want to keep you under their jack boots.

They're VERY AFRAID of their citizens having power to OVER THROW and keep them in check.

That's the #1 reason why every Country needs a 2nd Amendment Equivalent piece of law.
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meestermj posted...

If you don't know even the basics about guns or any of the current gun laws, you shouldn't be discussing gun laws. Period.
Educate yourself before you speak on the matter.

Pretty much this. It's fine to want to be included in the conversation, but at least do a little bit of research before jumping in.
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2SweetforTurtle posted...

I like how the people trying to make fun of conservatives for wanting emotion based legislation by saying shit like but mah christianity when theyre the same ones going but mah children and begging for emotion based legislation.

Are there any actual laws that are equivalent to Sharia Law in which Christianity's punishments take effect? Like cutting tongues/heads/hands/feet off (literally done in these religious countries and probably Sweden soon). Or is saying "I believe that life is a gift from God and don't want abortion" what they mean?

Because that's not a religious law at all.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Syntheticon posted...

If it doesn't, it should.
Dear murricuh', You're not well but we want to help you get it together, lose the hardware. Signed, the rest of the developed world.

Dear Rest of the World, you can either fight for your 2nd Amendment Equivalent rights back, or go SOD OFF!!

Stop letting Tyrannical Governments decide what you can / cannot do.

All those Tyrannical Governments want to keep you under their jack boots.

They're VERY AFRAID of their citizens having power to OVER THROW and keep them in check.

That's the #1 reason why every Country needs a 2nd Amendment Equivalent piece of law.

People also seemed to have this view that the government is some sort of higher entity or enlightened group of people. They're not. They're just a group of fellow citizens. I think a lot of them do believe they're working in our best interests, though good intentions don't always result in good policy.

Our president and other government officials have the benefit of armed security (sometimes even security with automatic weapons). We have Marines guarding the White House. The wealthy elite who are in favor of gun bans often have their own private security. So I will never accept that some portion of my fellow citizens gets to have their own armed security while I am not allowed to own a semi-automatic rifle for my own defense and that of my home.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

People also seemed to have this view that the government is some sort of higher entity or enlightened group of people. They're not. They're just a group of fellow citizens. I think a lot of them do believe they're working in our best interests, though good intentions don't always result in good policy.

Our president and other government officials have the benefit of armed security (sometimes even security with automatic weapons). We have Marines guarding the White House. The wealthy elite who are in favor of gun bans often have their own private security. So I will never accept that some portion of my fellow citizens gets to have their own armed security while I am not allowed to own a semi-automatic rifle for my own defense and that of my home.

Good, then you should be fighting WITH US; supporting the defense of the 2nd Amendment and helping to export it to the rest of the world.

There are too many tyrannical Authoritarian regimes and regimes that pretend to be Democratic but are really Authoritarian.

We need to help "Enlighten" their people and bring Democracy and Freedom back to them.

Yes, our form of Governance isn't perfect, but I have solutions for that.

"No Taxation without Representation"
"No Legislation, without Representation"

We 2A folk should NEVER ACCEPT ANYMORE Gun Control against the Law Abiding 2A owners / supporters.

We need to grab back our rights.
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r4X0r posted...

All the Constitution says is that the government cannot pass a law establishing a national religion. That's it. Most of what the left freaks out over "separation of church and state" is fabricated in their heads.

Nice dogma you've taken up the ass. Keep us posted on anything else you can dig out.
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AssultTank posted...

Because they have next to no knowledge of guns, how they work, or even the laws regarding them right now. They're trying to legislate based on their emotions without stopping to think about the situation logically.

DifferentialEquation posted...

Once they're successful with that, maybe a mass shooter in the future will use a mini 14 which would be functionally equivalent to an AR-15 for the purposes of a mass shooting. So then they'll attack that next, and this time they'll have the precedent of the AR-15 ban on their side.

Pretty sure people just want to ban both of them. They want to ban the guns to stop the mass shootings, they're not sitting there praying for mass shootings so they have an excuse to ban guns.
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I think its confusion between assault and automatic.

AR means armalite. Get the fuck out of my face with this assault rifle bs.
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meestermj posted...

If you don't know even the basics about guns or any of the current gun laws, you shouldn't be discussing gun laws. Period.
Educate yourself before you speak on the matter.

This should go without saying on any subject really
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TommyG663513 posted...

meestermj posted...

If you don't know even the basics about guns or any of the current gun laws, you shouldn't be discussing gun laws. Period.
Educate yourself before you speak on the matter.

This should go without saying on any subject really

But then CE would be a dead board!
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Nomadic View posted...

A bump stock ban doesnt really mean anything. You can achieve the same effect using a belt loop.

You can put a pipe in a block of wood and it's the same thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Es02o4F5xM
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r4X0r posted...

There's perfectly rational reasons why many Republicans do what you call "destroy the separation of church and state" and oppose gay marriage.

I'm waiting to hear them.
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