Board 8 > Conservative Politics Topic 4: REAL Conservatives Supported Hillary

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So Ive been thinking about this a lot, and Ive come to realize that the Republican Party isnt the Conservative party anymore. I mean, they have no platform, they have no ideology. Its just a party built entirely on identity politics and claiming at least were not democrats. Oh, and using identity politics to rile their base up so they wont care that the only people benefitting from Republican rule are the wealthy elite.

No, the fact of the matter is that right now the reasonable conservatives are all in the Democratic Party, right alongside the liberals. Thats why there was so much tension between Hillary and Bernie supporters; theyre trying to occupy the same party. Its unfortunate that Republicans no longer have an actual ideology beyond pushing fear and hatred, because its killed reasonable debate in this country. Conservatives and Liberals alike are forced to band together in the Democratic Party just to speak out against their brand of caustic identity politics.

Maybe once the Republican Party dies, the Democratic Party can split again and have well-reasoned debates (like the Hillary vs. Bernie debates), between two necessary ideologies that can balance each other out. Its a pipe dream, sure. But I can hope.

And I can take ownership of conservatism from people who support pedophilia and smearing murder victims to bolster conspiracy theories.
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Would liberals who hated Hillary agree with this topic title? @ChaosTonyV4 @Jakyl25
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Hillary failed at rigging the general election. Get over it.

Honestly, I'd be surprised if we don't see both parties shifting left a bit before 2020.
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I dont see the Republicans shifting left. Theyre the party of buck-passing when it comes to blame, so I doubt theyll be introspective enough to realize why theyre declining. Theyll look at Roy Moores loss as well he was a pedophile, thats all and not wonder why exactly their voters thought a pedophile was their best option.
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Espeon posted...

Would liberals who hated Hillary agree with this topic title? @ChaosTonyV4 @Jakyl25

No. Trump is conservatisms logical end result
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That's a lot of text dedicated to agitating Vlado
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Jakyl25 posted...

Espeon posted...

Would liberals who hated Hillary agree with this topic title? @ChaosTonyV4 @Jakyl25

No. Trump is conservatisms logical end result

Conservatism or Republicanism?
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Republican conservatism

A true conservative doesnt vote
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I like how vlado accused me of calling him a Nazi sympathizer in the last topic. I said nothing of the sort. There are plenty of people who make anti-Semitic comments but also hate Nazis.

I would also like to point out (from the end of the last topic) that I think Inviso is wrong about vlado being gullible. Vlado is too clever to fall for any sort of ruse. No one has ever been able to trick him into believing anything that is not accurate to reality.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Republican conservatism

A true conservative doesnt vote

Id argue that Republican conservatism isnt even a thing. They have NO fiscal responsibility unless Democrats are in power, solely because they want to paint Dems as the bad guys in any situation. I repeat, the Republican Party has NO ideology. Its just a group that believes their voters are dumb and swayed entirely by identity politics.
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Weve already got a topic, Vlado. You can call yours the Snowflakes Safe Space Topic 1 though.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Espeon posted...

Would liberals who hated Hillary agree with this topic title? @ChaosTonyV4 @Jakyl25

No. Trump is conservatisms logical end result

I also disagree with the topic title, but for a different reason, I dont think Trump is a Conservative either, I think he just panders to them.
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Yep. I said as much in that Mr. Rogers topic. The fact is America doesn't have a left or even centre left in its mainstream politics. You have the Democrats, who are right wing, and the Republicans, who are really right wing.

Edit: also lol at Vlado talking smack about London in his fake topic.
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@Vlado you can close your topic. This is the official one.
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All posts on this subject should be in this topic.
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Rofl. He posted a CNS news link. They're breitbart levels of fake news and have the hardest christian propaganda slant I've ever seen.
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This topic seems stupid and petty.
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TheRock1525 posted...

This topic seems stupid and petty.

By comparison...
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Lightning Strikes posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

This topic seems stupid and petty.

By comparison...

Yeah, this.

While spiting Vlado is an added bonus, that was not the purpose behind my creation of this topic (hence the title.) I've been thinking this for a while now, starting with Conor Lamb's election, when all the Fox News pundits tried to spin that win as "he's a conservative, you didn't win, Dems!" But there's also the constant "you're such an echo chamber" narrative of the standard politics topic. Which made me think: during the primaries there was actual debate between Hillary and Bernie supporters, and that divide (unfortunately) is still there. There was a reason for both sides to exist and feel right, and neither side was operating under the mantle of "Bernie tears/Hillary tears".

On the one hand, you have the Berniecrats. They wanted rapid change and things like free college, free healthcare, higher minimum wage. And that's FINE. I'm NOT gonna tear that down because we NEED those voices to push for those things or else nothing will ever change for the better. On the other hand, the Hillarycrats were more pragmatic. They saw the merits of what Berniecrats wanted, but found it unrealistic from a fiscal perspective. That's how the liberal/conservative divide SHOULD work. We SHOULD have one side that shoots for the moon, while the other side reigns them in. Both sides are doing their jobs to make the country a better place.

The problem is that both of those sides are Democrats. So there's in-fighting on one side while the Republicans don't HAVE an ideology. They're sure as shit not fiscally responsible, given reckless spending (especially in the defense budget) while slashing taxes on the people who can afford to pay the most. And they're sure not about small government since they LOVE the idea of the government regulating women's bodies, or where a woman can go to the bathroom, or who a person is allowed to marry. Basically, the Republican party is one of fear and hatred and bigotry, playing identity politics to instill fear in gullible people who, let's fucking face it, have not, and will not ever be negatively affected by the bolstered rights of women/minorities/LGBTQ people. They are the party of just fucking over anyone they feel like (as evidenced by provisions in the tax bill that overwhelming affect blue states, a bill that Democratic senators weren't allowed ANY input on, I might add.)

The Republican Party is not conservative. They have no desire to work with anyone to build a better America. They don't stand for anything other than "I'm not a Democrat". And I'm tired of them co-opting conservatism if they're going to behave like children about it. And Christianity, while I'm at it. I'm sick and tired of Republicans co-opting things like conservativism, Christianity, and patriotism, while doing nothing to actually espouse the values attributed to those labels. So fuck that. I'm a LEGIT conservative, and I'm not letting people like Vlado give that word a bad name any longer.
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XIII_rocks posted...

That's a lot of text dedicated to agitating Vlado

I made a whole topic about doing manly things, where the final punchline was voting in babe brawl. I put even more effort in!
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Annnnyway, since this is the conservative topic:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/28/world/europe/julian-assange-internet-ecuador.html

Good. Whatever punishment can be doled out to a foreign agent attacking our country is well-deserved.
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Also, going along with the subject of Catholicism, it's getting to the point with Republicans where it's not just women, minorities and LGBTQ that scare them and make for easy punching bags, but other Christians as well. It's my understanding that the only reason the protestant reformation occurred was because high officials in the Catholic church were corrupt as fuck and were selling indulgences to those who could afford them in order to mooch money off the populace (the buyers believed this would grant them easier access to heaven because buying an indulgence would essentially count for them doing the good deeds that the church said were required to for heavenly ascension.) The reformation took this and went the complete opposite route: you just need to believe in Jesus Christ as the one true God, and you'll get into heaven, no actual effort required.

This has of course created a problem because while selling indulgences was a scummy way to make money, the idea that you need to do good deeds to be accepted into Heaven is ingrained in the Bible. Just because the high officials were scumbags doesn't mean you throw out the entire process. This is why you have Republicans posing as Christians and being assholes, believing they don't need to do anything that would make them a decent human being, other than believe in Jesus Christ.
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http://theweek.com/speedreads/763987/oklahoma-raises-taxes-oil-gas-cigarettes-give-teachers-first-raise-since-2007

While I appreciate fiscal responsibility in raising taxes, consumption taxes hurt the lower class FAR more than just raising those income taxes Oklahoma slashed in the first place.
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Inviso posted...

http://theweek.com/speedreads/763987/oklahoma-raises-taxes-oil-gas-cigarettes-give-teachers-first-raise-since-2007

While I appreciate fiscal responsibility in raising taxes, consumption taxes hurt the lower class FAR more than just raising those income taxes Oklahoma slashed in the first place.

#regressivetaxreform
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More victories for real conservatives!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/laura-ingraham-11-advertisers-drop-show-fans-launch-istandwithlaura-hashtag/

Whatever it takes to get hate-filled propagandists out of power.
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