Poll of the Day > Is it fucked up that I kinda agree with XXXX's outlook Infinity War SPOILERS

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Thanoss plan to wipe out half of all sentient life

Sure its terrible and would cause a generation or two of tragedy, but wouldnt it solve so many problems and ultimately lead to an age of prosperity?
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Maybe. Maybe not...
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On some planets it would probably lead to whole civilizations dying off because they had too few people, not too many.

On even large planets there had to be many places where overpopulation wasn't an issue.

And I wonder what the hell his long term plan was. Just keep killing half of everyone every so often? Kill half the babies born? Lower reproduction rates? What about after he dies, what good will he have done then?
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Exactly how does having less people make mortals less volatile?

If anything, wiping out 1/2 of the people in the universe mostly at random at once would cause mass chaos causing most people who depended on societal structure to become violent, eradicating hundreds of years of progress.

"We may not see our next step, we may stumble, we may fall off the path. But we always move forward! That is the power of man!"

Besides, Thanos is no wannabe philanthropist for wiping out 1/2 of the universe in the comics, he's just trying to woo death who he has a crush on, who is in turn in love with Deadpool.
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High school ethics huh?
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Its a matter of resources. Even today we can start to feel the strain of our population on Earth which isnt showing signs of slowing down. What happens when we suddenly dont have the energy, food, and infrastructure to support the majority of most of the worlds population? Human civilization may not survive the event.

And yes in this hypothetical theory you would need to periodically do the same thing or set in place methods to allow life to propagate at a more controlled rate. Rapidly when needed and reduced when getting out of control.

When you think about many of the problems plaguing th modern world, many would be alleviated with a drop in population.
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Mead posted...

Its a matter of resources. Even today we can start to feel the strain of our population on Earth which isnt showing signs of slowing down. What happens when we suddenly dont have the energy, food, and infrastructure to support the majority of most of the worlds population? Human civilization may not survive the event.

And yes in this hypothetical theory you would need to periodically do the same thing or set in place methods to allow life to propagate at a more controlled rate. Rapidly when needed and reduced when getting out of control.

When you think about many of the problems plaguing th modern world, many would be alleviated with a drop in population.

But that's Earth. What about the rest of the universe? Not only that. That's an populated by superheroes. Things are probably a little different there...
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Im talking about his overall outlook as it would apply to earth specifically

We have no idea what life is like elsewhere, maybe it is doing just fine and something like this wouldnt even be necessary

In the context of the film it seems like Earth is not alone with the issue of population and resource necessities
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Mead posted...

Im talking about his overall outlook as it would apply to earth specifically

We have no idea what life is like elsewhere, maybe it is doing just fine and something like this wouldnt even be necessary

In the context of the film it seems like Earth is not alone with the issue of population and resource necessities

For Earth, specifically, still maybe. For our Earth(not the one that he's on), maybe more so. But that still depends on who get wiped out... Like which people were included in that half...
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In my opinion it would have to be random. Anything else would be even more cruel. Again it would be an absolute tragedy, but I think that in the end the ends would justify the means.

It may even buy humanity enough time to figure out how to inhabit space or other worlds effectively so that nothing of the sort would ever need to be considered again.
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Well, for us, maybe. In the universe they're in, they could already inhabit space if they wanted... I don't know why they don't... but random could be bad, too. Certain people may be in the middle of creating something that would change the planet, and then most of them working on it are gone. Or certain world leaders. Or just certain people that would be better left in Earth are gone. Also, people would not be happy with about half of their family disappearing. It could be worse then you expect at the beginning. And I've never been an "Ends justify the means" kinda guy...
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Necessity is the mother of invention.
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Yeah no one would be happy

They wouldnt be happy about their entire family no longer having access to food or clean water either though, and that scenario is far more likely in reality. Our population is drastically spiking and in nature all population spikes end with the crash of a bell curve.
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KingHova045 posted...

Necessity is the mother of invention.

Thats a very good point

Were seeing all sorts of advancements and a lot of that could be fueled by the sense that we could reach a point where it is too late to solve a problem
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Honestly, I'd rather the world end than have to be sent back possibly hundreds of years just to start over. Especially if they didn't have a way to keep the population down. Then it would happen again. But that might just be because I would rather not lose my family to maybe solve a problem that possibly could've been fixed another way. And that probably wouldn't have even affected me...
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Our planet would be much better served by only killing the evil money hungry politicians, corporate owners, etc who care more about money than human life and sustainability of the planet.
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Moonjay posted...

Our planet would be much better served by only killing the evil money hungry politicians, corporate owners, etc who care more about money than human life and sustainability of the planet.

Maybe. Idk. But like Mead said, choosing we be pretty cruel in itself. And I'm not sure it would randomly be only those people...
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I gotta say Im very pleased with how this topic turned out so far

I realize I posted a controversial and touchy subject that I could be totally wrong about, and everyone has been intelligent and respectful in their views
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Well, it is a fairly gray area. I think he's misguided and wrong from the standpoint of individual, not evil people mattering as much as the greater good.

From the cold viewpoint of greater good only, it makes sense. He means well. I still think it's evil though.

I don't think it's evil to kill people who are evil though, so I'll stick with just kill the evil people who are harming society and the planet if you're gonna magically murder anyone. :P
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We could also just use the gauntlet to just fix the world...
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That too. He could have just provided energy and food and other amazing things to planets that need help. Not just misguided, but lacking in imagination.

When you can literally change reality and reverse time, do you really need to kill?
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Moonjay posted...

That too. He could have just provided energy and food and other amazing things to planets that need help. Not just misguided, but lacking in imagination.

When you can literally change reality and reverse time, do you really need to kill?

Yep. He can cause evolutions, too. And control time. You could grow enough crops to feed the world very fast. Or change reality to make food a non-issue...
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That wouldnt have been as good of a movie
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Yeah, he sort of had to be misguided for there to be a good movie.

I also suspect it's partly pride. His planet didn't listen to him so dammit, he's gonna MAKE it happen the way he wanted.
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Mead posted...

Yeah no one would be happy

They wouldnt be happy about their entire family no longer having access to food or clean water either though, and that scenario is far more likely in reality. Our population is drastically spiking and in nature all population spikes end with the crash of a bell curve.

Well this is what happens when humans go hunting.

Moonjay posted...

Well, it is a fairly gray area. I think he's misguided and wrong from the standpoint of individual, not evil people mattering as much as the greater good.

From the cold viewpoint of greater good only, it makes sense. He means well. I still think it's evil though.

I don't think it's evil to kill people who are evil though, so I'll stick with just kill the evil people who are harming society and the planet if you're gonna magically murder anyone. :P

What about the people that just don't care?

Mead posted...

That wouldnt have been as good of a movie

Doesn't sound that good. The comic version is better where he just wanted power over everybody else.
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Well this is what happens when humans go hunting.

You couldnt be more wrong about this point. Hunting is allowed because it stops populations from growing unchecked. For example deer hunting season is a thing almost everywhere in the US because without it the deer overpopulate to the point where they run out of food and start dying off of starvation in mass numbers.

Doesn't sound that good. The comic version is better where he just wanted power over everybody else.

Oh you mean the version where they defeat him by just kinda making him feel bad about himself
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Mead posted...

Well this is what happens when humans go hunting.

You couldnt be more wrong about this point. Hunting is allowed because it stops populations from growing unchecked. For example deer hunting season is a thing almost everywhere in the US because without it the deer overpopulate to the point where they run out of food and start dying off of starvation in mass numbers.

Doesn't sound that good. The comic version is better where he just wanted power over everybody else.

Oh you mean the version where they defeat him by just kinda making him feel bad about himself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo
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Mead posted...

That wouldnt have been as good of a movie

How about the original comic plot of Thanos having a hard on for Death who is a lady and he destroyed 1/2 the universe to try and impress her, which she wasn't impressed by because she's in love with Deadpool.
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TigerTycoon posted...

Mead posted...

That wouldnt have been as good of a movie

How about the original comic plot of Thanos having a hard on for Death who is a lady and he destroyed 1/2 the universe to try and impress her, which she wasn't impressed by because she's in love with Deadpool.

Not as good of a movie
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Are you going to keep doing it every few decades? People aren't just going to stop having sex because you killed a bunch of people.

I mean you can make them all infertile as well
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Grendel posted...

Are you going to keep doing it every few decades? People aren't just going to stop having sex because you killed a bunch of people.

Life will uh, find a way
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Apparently you can get moderated for posting an example of humans hunting something to extinction now.
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Oh and another reason why the comic version is better is because somebody like Galactus would never let Thanos pull off the movie version. Of course since they sold Galactus they can't use him.
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Revelation34 posted...

Oh and another reason why the comic version is better is because somebody like Galactus would never let Thanos pull off the movie version. Of course since they sold Galactus they can't use him.

Does anyone on this board even like you
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I mean, it's effectively what we already do with populations like deer. If we don't cull them, they'll end up killing themselves.

I don't know that I could ever agree with him, but I understand the logic.
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Isn't this the same logic that some dictators have used? I mean, kill a few thousands to save millions? There's been several movies and/or series that have used that theory (Conscience of the King from Star Trek: The Original Series as the most obvious example). Besides there's the law of unintended consequences (ie the person who's going to destroy you is created by what you've done); so it's possible that, if Thanos did do as planned, he might live to regret it.

TigerTycoon posted...

Mead posted...

That wouldnt have been as good of a movie

How about the original comic plot of Thanos having a hard on for Death who is a lady and he destroyed 1/2 the universe to try and impress her, which she wasn't impressed by because she's in love with Deadpool.

The original comic series of the Infinity Gauntlet had nothing to do with Deadpool.

For earth specifically, it's not enough, but it would prolong things and perhaps give us time and incentives to find alternative solutions.

If for instance the total population halves any time it exceeds 6 billion in the future people would learn population control. Thanos (or god whatever) could basically set it up as a hard cap on humanity, if too many humans exist humans = humans/2 *hehe*.

Still I think that would be a case of not doing enough. This planet can not support 4 billion humans long term, without more advanced technology and alternative energy sources. It is more important to focus on advancing technology and eventually colonizing space, then just destroying enough humans that the resources will last.

Sadly we are not progressing towards colonizing space at all really, and while technology has certainly advanced, it has not done so in a way that is drastically reducing the resources we use, waste we create etc.

Won't mean the end of humanity, but it may mean that eventually only the very rich will survive while most of the rest die in horror and misery.

Probably not in our life times at least.
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KingHova045 posted...

High school ethics huh?

Typical marvel writing tbh.

Strong stories were never their thing.
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Deadpool wasn't as popular in 1991 when Infinity Gauntlet was made. and yea, he's not even in it. I forget when he was invented. late 80's I think. it was the 2000's I think when he became more popular

Deadpool II is out in a week or so.

Coincidence?

I think not!

Isn't the guy that plays thanos also playing Cable or something?
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Deadpool is the main character he was dressed as Adam warlock as a joke
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Deadpool first appearance was in 91, same year as the infinity gauntlet mini-series. That was my heyday of reading comics, just to date myself.

I actually thought they might use Hela as a substitute for Death for Thanos, but I guess they did not go that way.

It would be funny if at the end of the deadpool movie, deadpool starts to turn into ash, but Cable saves him somehow.
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Did half the animals disappear too? Or half the talking plants like groot? Seems like it would really fuck up some ecosystems

Sentience is probably the defining characteristic, not sure of intelligence level required to count, but it can't be anything living as half of all cells would go poof etc, and everything would die.

Thing I don't get to be honest, he has full control of time and reality at that point, why not just make it so half of all creation never existed in the first place, no memory of them ever being there etc. Would be more humane, and then he could do something to prevent over-population etc in the future (reduce population growth universe wide, making it harder for creatures of all types to pro-create or something.

Perhaps that has already happened and that is why many mamals have to carry a baby for x amount of time and give birth painfully. Initially it was much easier, then thanos came around and both made it more likely for babies to die in birth/before birth, and more time consuming painful to have one.

He basically hates girls.
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wolfy42 posted...

If for instance the total population halves any time it exceeds 6 billion in the future people would learn population control. Thanos (or god whatever) could basically set it up as a hard cap on humanity, if too many humans exist humans = humans/2 *hehe*.

That reminds me of TTGL.
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What is TTGL?
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