Board 8 > So I finally watched Infinity War. spoilers

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I caught up on all the other MCU movies awhile back (didn't make topics for Thor 3, Black Panther, and maybe Guardians 2?)

First of all, Thursday night a month after release, I figured me and my friend would be the only ones in the theater. We weren't. It was us and two other girls. WHO WERE THE FUCKING WORST. Overreaction to all the cheesy jokes, and they were straight up bawling after The Snap. And generally just chatting about what was going on during the entire goddamn movie. I waited for crowds to clear to specifically avoid people like them. GODDAMMIT. Maybe Thanos had the right idea.

Anyway...

That was really good. Ended ABRUPTLY.

Random thoughts:
- they really managed to accomplish a ton. similar to Civil War, it's amazing how they balance so many characters. But this time there was less juggling of personal motivations and it was more of a standard team-up of every who's-who in the MCU thus far. So a little less impressive of a feat, but at least the villain wasn't completely wacky and nonsensical like in Civil War.
- I really liked all of the interactions between the characters meeting for the first time. Stark v. Quill, Stark v. Strange (though this was a little underdeveloped imo), Thor and Rabbit, Spidey's quips in general.
- Overall I was more engaged in the Stark/Guardians half of the plot than Wakanda. But most of that is i think because i still really love how well Tom Holland plays Spidey
- holy shit tyrian!!!!!
- new spidey suit is badass
- new iron man suit is a little too anime, but still hilarious
- Thor's still the best Avenger
- i generally don't like chris pratt as a serious actor, but his lines were funny here. calling Thanos "Grimace" was too good.
- they can't do Loki dirty like that
- i really like how they managed to recall each separate film's distinct styles to indicate who was the focus. The Guardians scene with the music, Wakanda, and Dr. Strange in particular.
- so....the people that are left are basically the original Avengers plus Nebula?
- having the heroes all fade away was a pretty badass spectacle overall though. what a way to end the movie.
- i really hope they don't bring everyone back with the time stone. but they will. in fact, i am willing to bet money that everyone is brought back and rocket makes a joke to bucky harkening back to their interaction about the gun/arm.
- one of my complaints of the later MCU movies is that the action scenes lack the weight that, say, Iron Man 1 had. this movie does a much better job of bringing some of that back. particularly where Cap is punching people left and right.
- what, uh...what was red skull doing on valomir or whatever? why is he protecting the soul stone? and what happened to hugo weaving?
- where did thor's new girlfriend chick from ragnarok go?

also, i didn'treally care about ant man 2, but now i want to watch it just to see how it handles a post-Snap earth.

and am i supposed to care about the captain marvel tease? like...i dunno anything about her powers or background--what is she going to do in the battle against thanos that, say, thor can't?
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thanos's line at the end of that trailer about "but this..does put a smile on my face." was that in the film?

and unless i completely blacked out, that scene of cap's team running in the forest wasn't in the film either, right?
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Weakupedia posted...

also, i didn'treally care about ant man 2, but now i want to watch it just to see how it handles a post-Snap earth.

This is before Infinity War
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Stark/Spidey/Cuddlebranch/Guardians are way too fun <3
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Nanis23 posted...

Weakupedia posted...

also, i didn'treally care about ant man 2, but now i want to watch it just to see how it handles a post-Snap earth.

This is before Infinity War

aaand back to not caring
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Weakupedia posted...

- so....the people that are left are basically the original Avengers plus Nebula?

Almost. But also Rocket, War Machine and some of the Black Panther characters.
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While I'm kind of curious as to how Ant-Man/Wasp would handle a post-snap Earth, it's probably difficult to do a fun times comedy heist movie when half the people he knows died.

Guessing the mid/post credits scene is a bunch of characters from the film fading away from the snap.
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Yeah, I think the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp will deal with the snap, but I doubt any show or movie aside from Avengers 4 is actually going to deal with the Snap.
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Yeah, I think people (including the people who make them) are forgetting that these movies are supposed to be primarily their own franchises and only tie into the larger picture in details, rather than overtly being involved into whatever the larger meta-plot is. As interesting it would be to see Paul Rudd attempt to goof and sarcastically quip his way through a post-apocalyptic world still reeling from galactic genocide, it would seriously undermine the movie's primary goal of being a sequel to action-comedy romp "Ant-Man" and it would be best not to deal with the events of Infinity War too much.
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RyoCaliente posted...

Yeah, I think the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp will deal with the snap, but I doubt any show or movie aside from Avengers 4 is actually going to deal with the Snap.

Think they confirmed this, Captain Marvel is the only other movie between Infinity War and Avengers 4, and that is set in the past. And the tv shows probably aren't going to deal with it.
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Weakupedia posted...

First of all, Thursday night a month after release, I figured me and my friend would be the only ones in the theater. We weren't. It was us and two other girls. WHO WERE THE FUCKING WORST. Overreaction to all the cheesy jokes, and they were straight up bawling after The Snap. And generally just chatting about what was going on during the entire goddamn movie. I waited for crowds to clear to specifically avoid people like them. GODDAMMIT. Maybe Thanos had the right idea.

Ok, the chatting was inexcusable, but the rest is just standard theatre fare. Maybe you should go to a theater with VIP rooms if you don't want to deal with that.
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Weakupedia posted...

and what happened to hugo weaving?

superhero movies don't give a crap about being consistent regarding what actors play which characters. always been a pet peeve of mine, but we just have to deal with it. (but uh yeah, i still don't really get why red skull was there either, even though several people tried to explain it to me. i guess i'm just dumb.)

- where did thor's new girlfriend chick from ragnarok go?

they're saving valkyrie for avengers 4, probably. joe russo confirmed that she's still alive after the snap.

and am i supposed to care about the captain marvel tease? like...i dunno anything about her powers or background--what is she going to do in the battle against thanos that, say, thor can't?

i think they just did that because she has a movie coming out soon. from what little i know about her she's not one of the most powerful characters marvel has. i doubt she's going to beat thanos in avengers 4 or something.

also, i personally thought the post-credits scene was a little underwhelming. i was like "ok, they're teasing captain marvel. that's cute. but we already knew they were going to introduce her into the MCU anyway." i was really hoping that the disney/fox deal already secretly went through and we'd see wolverine or something. ok, that's preposterous. but i remember seeing thanos in the post-credits scene of avengers 1 in theaters and being like "HOLY SHIT." i guess i wanted something like that, particularly because what preceded the post-credits scene was so intense.
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Hugo Weaving has conveyed that he has no interest in reprising the role.
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ok that's fair.

also, i will say that sometimes changing actors is a good thing. i'm definitely glad they switched from norton to ruffalo for banner, even if keeping norton for the entire MCU would have been more consistent.
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redrocket posted...

Hugo Weaving has conveyed that he has no interest in reprising the role.

Nah he walked that back a couple years ago. Not outright saying he'd do it, but definitely more open to it.

"I thought it would be a lot of fun to play a classic ber-Nazi, someone who thought Hitler was a pussy! [Laughs] It was fun to play; I enjoyed the outrageousness of the German accent that I employed and I enjoyed the extraordinary mask and costume, even though it was unbelievably hot inside it. I enjoy mask work; I enjoy trying to animate masks and reveal certain things that the mask itself might not reveal. V for Vendetta was another example of that, but there was less animation within that mask versus the Red Skull."

"With Marvel, its pretty basic stuff: accept the deal and enjoy the ride. Its not a major stretch for an actor, but on the other hand the difficulty with the Marvel universe is maintaining a link to a human dimension within such an extraordinary, technological CGI universe. In terms of me going back and doing another one, I dont know. Im not sure what theyre up to with the Red Skull."

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Weakupedia posted...

and unless i completely blacked out, that scene of cap's team running in the forest wasn't in the film either, right?

I believe the Russos came out and said that shot was created just for the trailer.
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I'm sure you can see from that how he would probably be ambivalent about returning for a five minute cameo.
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Yeah that's what I figured, if it was something more substantial he'd be willing to do it but not for five minutes.
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JonThePenguin posted...

I believe the Russos came out and said that shot was created just for the trailer.

yup.

and no, that thanos line wasn't in the film either.
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They have already said that Captain marvel will be thr most powerful hero in the mcu. So yeah she is going to be a big help.

And it won't be the time stone that brings everyone back. Everyone is most likely trapped in the soul stone, just have to get them out. And they will cause there is a 0% chance that Spidey, Panther, and Quill are not alive at the end.
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Maniac64 posted...

They have already said that Captain marvel will be thr most powerful hero in the mcu. So yeah she is going to be a big help.

that's disappointing, though. in the infinity gauntlet comic nebula (who's constantly in a state approaching death because thanos put her into it) eventually gets the gauntlet from thanos when he isn't paying attention in a moment of weakness. i doubt they're going to do exactly that in the movie, but if they did away with the "in the end, the underdog wins" idea and instead did some girl power "captain marvel beats the shit out of thanos" thing, that would be a shame.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

and no, that thanos line wasn't in the film either.

too bad, it was incredibly badass :(
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bryans7 posted...

RyoCaliente posted...

Yeah, I think the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp will deal with the snap, but I doubt any show or movie aside from Avengers 4 is actually going to deal with the Snap.

Think they confirmed this, Captain Marvel is the only other movie between Infinity War and Avengers 4, and that is set in the past. And the tv shows probably aren't going to deal with it.

I'm assuming all the TV shows will either be set before Infinity War or after Avengers 4 if Avengers 4 is resolved with a timewipe "and nobody remembered when half the population disappeared". It would be cool for the shows to deal with a half Earth or with the aftermath of it, but it would also be pretty weird to have ALL the Defenders and ALL Shield and ALL the Runaways and BOTH C&D and the Inhumans make it through the snap.

Weakupedia posted...

where did thor's new girlfriend chick from ragnarok go?

Her and Korg (hey man) are on another ship.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

i doubt they're going to do exactly that in the movie, but if they did away with the "in the end, the underdog wins" idea and instead did some girl power "captain marvel beats the s*** out of thanos" thing, that would be a shame.

While I don't believe the movie will be just resolved with a "hey captain marvel appears and the movie's over now!", you should definitely expect her to play a big part.

In that sense, I wouldn't be surprised if Spidey and BP bit it, because then you can have Miles Morales (DIVERSE SPIDERMAN!) and Shuri (FEMALE SUPERHERO) take up their respective mantles. I mean, it would be a waste of Tom Holland and Chadwick Boseman so I don't think so, but I wouldn't be super surprised if they left them for dead either.
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In that sense, I wouldn't be surprised if Spidey and BP bit it, because then you can have Miles Morales (DIVERSE SPIDERMAN!) and Shuri (FEMALE SUPERHERO) take up their respective mantles. I mean, it would be a waste of Tom Holland and Chadwick Boseman so I don't think so, but I wouldn't be super surprised if they left them for dead either.

There is a 0% chance that happens.
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i do think eventually they're going to reboot spider-man with miles morales.

not now, though. they're going to stick to holland for a couple of years first.
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Yeah, I could almost envisage those Spiderman and Black Panther things happening and even said that at the time they could. But the Guardians being completely dead, apart from Rocket, kills any chances of the snap holding.
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Sony would have to agree to killing Spider-Man. That isn't happening.

I think it's more likely Shuri becomes the new Iron man (she already uses hand blasters and tech) then replacing BP this quickly.
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I could see her being Black Panther at the beginning of Avengers 4, but T'challa will be back. Using tech to mimic the heart-shaped herbs powers if there is none left.

Either that or M'Baku (sidenote: he's the best) will be ruling.
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redrocket posted...

Weakupedia posted...

First of all, Thursday night a month after release, I figured me and my friend would be the only ones in the theater. We weren't. It was us and two other girls. WHO WERE THE FUCKING WORST. Overreaction to all the cheesy jokes, and they were straight up bawling after The Snap. And generally just chatting about what was going on during the entire goddamn movie. I waited for crowds to clear to specifically avoid people like them. GODDAMMIT. Maybe Thanos had the right idea.

Ok, the chatting was inexcusable, but the rest is just standard theatre fare. Maybe you should go to a theater with VIP rooms if you don't want to deal with that.

the overreactive laughing was worse than I've had before at theaters. bawling at the end of the film is fine, but gos they were just obnoxious

a lot of other posts to respond to eventually but for now i will just say i need to reread infinity gauntlet (which i wasn't a huge fan of when i first read it a few years ago) and also read the newer thanos infinity comic.
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Weakupedia posted...

i need to reread infinity gauntlet (which i wasn't a huge fan of when i first read it a few years ago)

infinity gauntlet actually has very little in common with this movie, aside from thanos being the main character, the snap and the ending, which was actually an exact recreation of the last panels of the comic. reread it if you want to but i wouldn't say it adds much to the movie.
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Yeah, didn't the snap actually start the series?
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Weakupedia posted...

i need to reread infinity gauntlet (which i wasn't a huge fan of when i first read it a few years ago)

infinity gauntlet actually has very little in common with this movie, aside from thanos being the main character, the snap and the ending, which was actually an exact recreation of the last panels of the comic. reread it if you want to but i wouldn't say it adds much to the movie.

yeah, it would be more to get a sense of what elements they pulled from the comic. like i recall nebula was in a similar position of torture. and in curious to see how all the characters were killed, since i recall a number of them were picked off individually by thanos.
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RyoCaliente posted...

Her and Korg (hey man) are on another ship.

Where the fuck was this stated?? And where did they get another ship??
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Waluigi1 posted...

RyoCaliente posted...

Her and Korg (hey man) are on another ship.

Where the fuck was this stated?? And where did they get another ship??

Thor says Thanos killed half his people. Doesn't specifically mention Valkyrie or Korg but the Russos later confirmed Thanos did the 50/50 thing on the ship and Valkyrie was with the survivors. They wouldn't specify with Korg when asked.

I don't think it's another ship but rather the other half of the ship they were on. It's smaller in the intro to IW than it was in Ragnarok like it separated.
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One of the Russo's said on an AMA that some Asgardians escaped on escape pods with Valkyrie, so she might've been tasked with overseeing the evacuation or something.
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ok but guys
wtf red skull?
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TheRock1525 posted...

Yeah, didn't the snap actually start the series?

not exactly but it does happen near the beginning. in the series thanos does it to impress death, who he's in love with. (the whole death aspect is completely absent from the movie, even though they kinda hinted at it in the post-credits scene of avengers 1.)
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Weakupedia posted...

ok but guys
wtf red skull?

His fate at the end of Captain America was ambiguous. There was a lot of fan speculation that he was taken somewhere by the tesserect and would return.
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It's ironic how the BP movie did so much better than Dr. Strange, yet BP played such a minuscule role in IW. They definitely didn't give him and Bucky much of a role other than to beat up underlings, and this is one of the film's weaknesses. I do enjoy Strange more as a character, so this was very nice fanservice
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It's not like they could have predicted the enormity of BP before it came out and IW came out like four months later.

All that stuff was shot and done long before they could have done anything to change it.
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I dunno how much they would have changed anyway, just the way Dr. Strange works with his powers means of course he's gonna have more influence than BP. And at least we still got Wakanda in IW.
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We got M'Baku and that's all that really matters tbqh
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I mean from the perspective of storytelling that makes sense the cosmically powerful wizard is going to be more relevant than wakandan captain america with full body armor instead of a shield in a fight against Thanos anyway. Pretty much all the low power level guys were relatively less important than strange and Thor.

Editor's Note: This wasn't repeating Bane a minute ago.
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I actually don't get why BP did so well. It was enjoyable for what Wakanda is as a setting and all the technology is neat, but I was bothered by the villain and who he was played by. Guy's acting is terrible and don't know how he was even green-lit, and him being another "guy who wants revenge"
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plus strange was very important in the comic. i guess that's another aspect they sort of incoporated into the movie.
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barreldragon88 posted...

I was bothered by the villain and who he was played by. Guy's acting is terrible and don't know how he was even green-lit, and him being another "guy who wants revenge"

Woof this is a bad take, I'm sorry
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I do kinda agree with being confused with the success of Black Panther, but Killmonger was in fact the best part of Black Panther.
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I mean the first Marvel movie with a primarily all black cast which turns out to be a very good movie....is it that confusing?
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I thought it was mid-low tier among Marvel movies. The first half of it was pretty shaky. I feel like it depended too much on enjoying the character from Civil War, and I mean, I did like him in Civil War, but like, if Civil War didn't exist I don't know if I could have cared much at all about most of the events pre-Killmonger taking focus (as is I only mostly didn't care). And it's not like Black Panther has a lot of name value.

So I mean unless you're arguing "all black cast" novelty drove sales or something with that comment yeah I'm still kinda confused why it did so well.
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Alright but you're saying YOU thought it was mid-low tier. Most people consider it pretty high and it was well received, and yes supporting an all-black cast certainly did help drive sales for it. Like it's super easy for me to see why it did so well. Also I think it had decent marketing, plus a killer soundtrack collab with one of the top mainstream rappers.
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