Board 8 > Do 'claws' and 'indoors' rhyme?

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All the talk recently about number of syllables reminds me...

My son has a children's book with the following rhyme:

You must never touch a dragon that has curvy, curly claws.
Distract it with a sandwich and then run away indoors!

Every other page very clearly rhymes.

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Only if you're from Boston

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if you're from Boston

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It comes down to dialects on this one so technically yes for some people? No for most though.

How are people pronouncing claws or doors in a way that they don't rhyme? In the UK at least they both have an 'or' sound like in 'ores' or 'tours'.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhoticity_in_English#Paw%E2%80%93poor_merger

seems to be this?

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Luis_Sera89 posted...

How are people pronouncing claws or doors in a way that they don't rhyme? In the UK at least they both have an 'or' sound like in 'ores' or 'tours'.

with an open unrounded front/front-central vowel for "claw" and actually recognizing that "r" is a letter for "door"

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Ah ok, interesting.

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Yeah they rhyme to me

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Not even close.

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Luis_Sera89 posted...

How are people pronouncing claws or doors in a way that they don't rhyme? In the UK at least they both have an 'or' sound like in 'ores' or 'tours'.

Claw makes an "ah" sound in most American dialects

I'd say it rhymes with "awe" or "paw" but I don't know if that would help

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no it makes an aw sound

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pjbasis posted...

no it makes an aw sound

Well, apparently that sound doesn't exist in British English if they don't know how it doesn't rhyme with door...!

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GameFAQS REALLY doesn't care about playing video games past 2005, huh?

Instead we get topics like this.

Leonhart4 posted...

Well, apparently that sound doesn't exist in British English if they don't know how it doesn't rhyme with door...!

you're looking at it backwards

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PrestonStarry4 posted...

GameFAQS REALLY doesn't care about playing video games past 2005, huh?

Instead we get topics like this.

Got another account banned for being a terrible person, huh

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Leonhart4 posted...

Got another account banned for being a terrible person, huh

I used an alternative e-mail website that I don't even remember the name of so I didn't get any mileage out of the PrestonStarry3 account.

Glad to see you are still fine Leo.

@Leonhart4

The PrestonStarry3 account at the very least is still active.

So don't be a hater.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d3Kuday-yU

the british english tendency to add R's where there aren't any R's has always amused me

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Except we are not adding an R.

Door is pronounced with an aw sound.

We actually soften the r.

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DeepsPraw posted...

the british english tendency to add R's where there aren't any R's has always amused me

Zyxyz0 posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhoticity_in_English#Paw%E2%80%93poor_merger

seems to be this?

reading is difficult

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DreamEater12 posted...

Except we are not adding an R.

Door is pronounced with an aw sound.

We actually soften the r.

Ah, I see where the confusion is.

"Door" rhymes with "or" in most American dialects

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Australians are the ones that add Rs

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British english has them as

Claws - Klawz
Indoors - indawz

So in british english they rhyme with softened ending.

American has a harder r on indoors which disrupts the rhyme

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I actually hate the term British English. Its just English, its from England.
If there is a need to define the two then call them English and American.

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5tarscream posted...

I actually hate the term British English. Its just English, its from England.
If there is a need to define the two then call them English and American.

It's just a distinction for clarity because you'd be made fun of for saying you speak American

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5tarscream posted...

I actually hate the term British English. Its just English, its from England.
If there is a need to define the two then call them English and American.

What are you going on about? This distinction applies for every language. Spanish Spanish vs. Mexican Spanish, French French vs. Quebecois French, etc.
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Leonhart4 posted...

It's just a distinction for clarity because you'd be made fun of for saying you speak American

They should be mocked especially for that I could care less fiasco

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Try speaking American! It's the only language I understand.

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Mac Arrowny posted...

What are you going on about? This distinction applies for every language. Spanish Spanish vs. Mexican Spanish, French French vs. Quebecois French, etc.

It'd be kind of silly to say native Quebecois have the Canadian English accent, and your Mexican/Spain Spanish example is actually what he's talking about. Mexico and Spain had different accents, even when Mexico was a part of Spain. England and Ireland/Scotland/Wales have different accents, even though they're all a part of Britain. Lumping their dialects as "British English" is unhelpful. For example, this literal question. England drops the r. Ireland doesn't

We're only talking about the English Accent, not the British Accent

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When an American says British English, they are talking about England. Scottish and Irish accents are separate, and the vast majority of Americans doesn't know what a Welsh accent even sounds like

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this literal question is what we're talking about actually when we discuss the difference

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DeepsPraw posted...

When an American says British English, they are talking about England. Scottish and Irish accents are separate, and the vast majority of Americans doesn't know what a Welsh accent even sounds like

Thats sort of the issue isnt it? Youre using the wrong term

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They're just trying to say we should use English English instead

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pjbasis posted...

They're just trying to say we should use English English instead

I can do that

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the compromise could just be "England's English". Kind of a unique construction, but it makes sense, isn't more difficult to say, doesn't sound redundant like "English English", is more precise than "British English" and not as pretentious as "the Queen's English"

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I thought this would be a joke topic but I ended up learning something instead

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nope it's been decided

English English it is

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I think the point is the language is English, the version Americans use is American english.

The term British English comes from American English, and makes not a whole lot of sense.

The terms really should be English, and American English.

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DreamEater12 posted...

I think the point is the language is English, the version Americans use is American english.

The term British English comes from American English, and makes not a whole lot of sense.

The terms really should be English, and American English.

Except that only makes sense when you're using both terms together.

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Leonhart4 posted...

Except that only makes sense when you're using both terms together.

Yeah, that just shifts the imprecision elsewhere.

"Hey, do you wanna watch the Graham Norton Show?"
'Nah, I can't understand English very well.'
"???"

sure, in context you could probably figure out it... but that's the same with "British English" itself. Unnecessary ambiguity

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During the period of American settlement, "British English" was a rhotic dialect and "American English" has generally stayed that way. "British English" changed and stopped pronouncing Rs later, so by your weird logic, it should be "English" and "British English"

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WazzupGenius00 posted...

During the period of American settlement, "British English" was a rhotic dialect and "American English" has generally stayed that way. "British English" changed and stopped pronouncing Rs later, so by your weird logic, it should be "English" and "British English"

this is honestly a point in favor of "Queen's English", isn't it? Americans kept the common vernacular while the Brits later tried imitating the airy noble accent which became what we think of a English accent, right? anyway "English" and "American English" is just bad

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okay nvm it's a joke topic again

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Note that the term "British" in general is never used to refer to the non-England parts of Britain. It's just another word for English nowadays (much like how American used to indicate all of the Americas, but now it's only used for the United States).
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English and american English is purely down to spellings and such, like when we say car park, and you say parking lot.

If you want to talk dialects, which is where the main issue is, then you encounter problems. Boston, Alabama, California, Texas. All have differing dialects, so should we use the same term for all?

It is the same as scotland, england, n. Ireland, wales. It is the same language, just different dialects. Then you have regional dialects.

There will never be a consensus on this truly until the entire world has a completely standard way of speaking. Which will never really occur.

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Mac Arrowny posted...

Note that the term "British" in general is never used to refer to the non-England parts of Britain. It's just another word for English nowadays (much like how American used to indicate all of the Americas, but now it's only used for the United States).

it sounds like you need to talk to smarter people more often

DreamEater12 posted...

English and american English is purely down to spellings and such, like when we say car park, and you say parking lot.

If you want to talk dialects, which is where the main issue is, then you encounter problems. Boston, Alabama, California, Texas. All have differing dialects, so should we use the same term for all?

It is the same as scotland, england, n. Ireland, wales. It is the same language, just different dialects. Then you have regional dialects.

There will never be a consensus on this truly until the entire world has a completely standard way of speaking. Which will never really occur.

clearly there's some traits that persist uniformly in america and lack entirely in england despite the existence of many regional dialects......... for example.... rhoticity

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NFUN posted...

clearly there's some traits that persist uniformly in america and lack entirely in england despite the existence of many regional dialects......... for example.... rhoticity

Nah that still exists, more in the north west, far north and south west of england though. So it is a regional thing here.

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Fair enough I guess. I still think it's a useful enough tool to talk about trends that we don't need to toss it out using "nothing is perfect so nothing matters" logic

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NFUN posted...

Fair enough I guess. I still think it's a useful enough tool to talk about trends that we don't need to toss it out using "nothing is perfect so nothing matters" logic

I didnt say toss it out nothing matters.

I said we can discuss it all we want, there wont be a complete consensus until there is only 1 thing.

Which is basically the opposite of saying nothing matters. It is saying it will matter until nothing matters.

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