Poll of the Day > Trump tells NC voters to vote twice - again

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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/09/12/do-not-do-what-president-directs-warns-north-carolina-ag-trump-once-again-urges

NC AG explicitly says not to follow Trump's directive.

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AGAlN!???

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Why should it matter if a person votes once or 20 times, it only gets tabulated once anyways since, y'know, you have like a name and an adress and a voter id and a social security number and a phone number and a bunch of other things that trace back to a singular end user.

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This timeline...

Lokarin posted...

Why should it matter if a person votes once or 20 times, it only gets tabulated once anyways since, y'know, you have like a name and an adress and a voter id and a social security number and a phone number and a bunch of other things that trace back to a singular end user.

Because hes talking to his supporters. The same people that have supported him for the past 4 years. And if they do it, then theyll go to jail for like 5 years or so.

Sure theyre dumb. But I dont want them to go to jail... or drink/inject bleach. Wishing that isnt good karma.


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HornedLion posted...

Because hes talking to his supporters. The same people that have supported him for the past 4 years. And if they do it, then theyll go to jail for like 5 years or so.

Sure theyre dumb. But I dont want them to go to jail... or drink/inject bleach. Wishing that isnt good karma.

I'm not endorsing a crime or anything, I'm legit asking how voting more than once even CAN be a problem when a computer can just cull duplicate entries.

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Lokarin posted...

I'm not endorsing a crime or anything, I'm legit asking how voting more than once even CAN be a problem when a computer can just cull duplicate entries.

Because it'll take longer to get the real results.

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Lokarin posted...

I'm not endorsing a crime or anything, I'm legit asking how voting more than once even CAN be a problem when a computer can just cull duplicate entries.

The current voting system isn't really a national system, and they vary State to State. I am unfamiliar with how NC is set up, but it may not be a system that can support that. Perhaps that's why he's telling NC, outside that it's a red state.

Lokarin posted...

Why should it matter if a person votes once or 20 times, it only gets tabulated once anyways since, y'know, you have like a name and an adress and a voter id and a social security number and a phone number and a bunch of other things that trace back to a singular end user.

Because it's literally fraud?

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And the president shouldn't be encouraging it

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Jen0125 posted...

Because it's literally fraud?

I don't mean one person voting with multiple identities, that is clearly fraud. I just mean voting more than once should only increase the accuracy of your counted singular vote

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Lokarin posted...

I don't mean one person voting with multiple identities, that is clearly fraud. I just mean voting more than once should only increase the accuracy of your counted singular vote

The accuraccy of your counted singular vote...? As if the values you enter are weighed?

So if I vote once as black, and next as hispanic, I will total as mixed?

Soup_or_Science posted...

The accuraccy of your counted singular vote...? As if the values you enter are weighed?

So if I vote once as black, and next as hispanic, I will total as mixed?

Sure, why not? As long as both are true, cuz lying would be fraud here

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Lokarin posted...

Why should it matter if a person votes once or 20 times, it only gets tabulated once anyways since, y'know, you have like a name and an adress and a voter id and a social security number and a phone number and a bunch of other things that trace back to a singular end user.

It's a felony and voter fraud...

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Lokarin posted...

I don't mean one person voting with multiple identities, that is clearly fraud. I just mean voting more than once should only increase the accuracy of your counted singular vote

It's a felony to vote multiple times as a singular person. It's a felony to submit fraudulent votes. The president shouldn't be encouraging it.

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Are you guys intentionally refusing to acknowledge Lok's point or are y'all just that thick? He is not talking about the legality of voting twice, nor is what he describing fraud by normal convention.

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Veedrock- posted...

Are you guys intentionally refusing to acknowledge Lok's point or are y'all just that thick? He is not talking about the legality of voting twice, nor is what he describing fraud by normal convention.

I have being understood correctly problems in general

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Veedrock- posted...

Are you guys intentionally refusing to acknowledge Lok's point or are y'all just that thick? He is not talking about the legality of voting twice, nor is what he describing fraud by normal convention.

He has no point because voting more than once, even as yourself, is a felony. It doesn't matter how it may or may not positively affect the accuracy of a vote count. There's no point to be made because this is a topic about the sitting president encouraging voter fraud.


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Jen0125 posted...

He has no point because voting more than once, even as yourself, is a felony.

Let's try word substitution:
"Why should it matter if a person smokes weed?"
"It's illegal."

Great conversation.

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Veedrock- posted...

Are you guys intentionally refusing to acknowledge Lok's point or are y'all just that thick? He is not talking about the legality of voting twice, nor is what he describing fraud by normal convention.

His point is to promote pro-conservative talking points as it has been for the past ~4 years or so now.
I miss the Lok who used to talk about watering his plants.

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Judgmenl posted...

His point is to promote pro-conservative talking points as it has been for the past ~4 years or so now.

Say what? Lok is not conservative even by the most loose definition.

This topic: Voting twice is fraud! Trump is promoting a felony!
Lok's point: The system has the info it needs to handle duplicate votes without it being fraud, so why is it fraud?

It's not hard to get. The checks are there, there's no way your vote would ever be counted twice, so the system should discard the duplicate without issue or criminal penalty. That doesn't favor either party or either candidate, nor does it discriminate or suppress any voting class. That's not pro-conservative or pro-Trump, that's pro-voter.

And to be clear neither of us is suggesting that this is Trump's message or agenda. I'm sure his intent is to get a lot of people in trouble for the sake of arguing about mail voter fraud some more. But guess what? If the system changed to accommodate this issue that should be a nonissue, it would disarm him wouldn't it?

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Judgmenl posted...

His point is to promote pro-conservative talking points as it has been for the past ~4 years or so now.
I miss the Lok who used to talk about watering his plants.

Wuuut, I'm the most lefty person here

...also my plants all died, but I still paint warhammer

Veedrock- posted... Lok's point: The system has the info it needs to handle duplicate votes without it being fraud, so why is it fraud?

This


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Veedrock- posted...

Let's try word substitution:
"Why should it matter if a person smokes weed?"
"It's illegal."

Great conversation.

Why are you trying to deflect to a different potential crime? We're not talking about smoking weed. We're talking about voter fraud. Stay on topic.

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Lokarin posted...

Wuuut, I'm the most lefty person here

No you're not.

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Jen0125 posted...

No you're not.

Well, ok, there might be one or two of yous more left

I mean, I'm on the far Canadian left... so that means I'm right off the chart when it comes to American lefts

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Jen0125 posted...

Why are you trying to deflect to a different potential crime?

I didn't deflect at all because the crime wasn't the point. I expressly said I was substituting, as in the part that stayed the same was the focus, to highlight your terrible hand-wave dismissal. But of course you miss my point too, you couldn't find a point on a compass. jfc.

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Veedrock- posted...

I didn't deflect at all because the crime wasn't the point. I expressly said I was substituting, as in the part that stayed the same was the focus, to highlight your terrible hand-wave dismissal. But of course you miss my point too, you couldn't find a point on a compass. jfc.

Your insults aren't going to work on me. Stay on topic or don't post.

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You telling me what to do isn't going to work on me. Learn to converse.

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Veedrock- posted...

You telling me what to do isn't going to work on me. Learn to converse.

Learn to stay on topic then.

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Humor me then, what is the topic about? I thought it was about voting twice which I have been discussing, but considering that's bugging you so much it must be a run of the mill "orange man bad" topic. Silly me!

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I don't need to humor you. If you can't see that president encouraging a felony is an issue then we aren't on the same playing field.

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Of course it's an issue. Who said it wasn't?

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Then whatever you are talking about is not relevant to this topic. Whether or not it's easy to identify duplicate votes doesn't negate the fact that the president shouldn't be encouraging a felony. Thanks for agreeing with me.

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The president encouraging a felony is obviously bad, but Lok does have a valid point. If duplicate votes are automatically discarded, does voting multiple times really have enough of an effect to warrant prosecuting it as a felony? To me, that seems like it's a relic from the days when votes were counted manually and duplicates couldn't be easily ignored, in which case voting multiple times would have an effect on the final tally. With modern safeguards in place, though, it's unlikely to do any harm.

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The merit of it being a felony isn't the discussion. If you guys want to have a side discussion that's up to you.

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adjl posted...

The president encouraging a felony is obviously bad, but Lok does have a valid point. If duplicate votes are automatically discarded, does voting multiple times really have enough of an effect to warrant prosecuting it as a felony? To me, that seems like it's a relic from the days when votes were counted manually and duplicates couldn't be easily ignored, in which case voting multiple times would have an effect on the final tally. With modern safeguards in place, though, it's unlikely to do any harm.

True. Which is why itd be easier to punish any actors pushing the narrative of voting twice. Cut off the head.

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if something done with a reasonable intention does not cause any significant negative effect, should it be a felony?

Jen0125 posted...

The merit of it being a felony isn't the discussion. If you guys want to have a side discussion that's up to you.

You seem rather perturbed by the discussion evolving into something new. That's sort of how conversations work, you know.

Fam_Fam posted...

if something done with a reasonable intention does not cause any significant negative effect, should it be a felony?

One could argue that voting twice is not done with reasonable intention (the presumption being that the person is attempting to crate fraudulent votes and doesn't realize how futile that particular strategy is), meaning it should still be a felony because it can be reasonably assumed that the person perpetrating it will likely pursue other, more effective avenues of voter fraud if they are not punished for this attempt.

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Fam_Fam posted...

if something done with a reasonable intention does not cause any significant negative effect, should it be a felony?

Wanting your guy to win and cheating to make it happen isn't reasonable intention.

I'm sure that if everyone voted twice it would be a nightmare for the voting system, having to go through and remove everyone's second vote sounds rough. Even if they have it automated somewhat, 99.99999% of all votes are counted on the first one it's not like we have a massive problem with votes not being counted. I doubt the voting system is setup to automatically find voters that vote twice since very few people have ever voted twice.

Once again Trump just loves to overstate the problems with the voting system by changing the factor by 10 or 100 of how big of a problem it is. He takes a problem that affects an extremely small amount of people and acts like it happens to half of the people.

I hereby call for Trump to be arrested and put into the stocks

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adjl posted...

You seem rather perturbed by the discussion evolving into something new. That's sort of how conversations work, you know.

I'm perturbed you're distracting from the actual point.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

Wanting your guy to win and cheating to make it happen isn't reasonable intention.

no i mean making sure you one vote is counted properly

Fam_Fam posted...

no i mean making sure you one vote is counted properly

Why stop there why not vote 100 times to make sure the vote is counted properly?

It's funny that people think you have to vote more than once to get a vote counted properly but you don't see people ordering items from Amazon 3 times to make sure the order actually went through. You also don't have people going to the DMV to get a license renewal two times to make sure they get one.

I'm not following politics that well, especially right after the last election (Since my wife was in the hospital and then passed away), but wasn't it determined that Russia tampered with the election and trump actually got way less votes then initially thought?

Yet nothing was done about that, even if Hillary really won, it was totally ignored.

So if he gets people to vote twice and has people count them twice (Even though they shouldn't), even if it's determined the total number of votes was actually wrong, wouldn't he just do what he did last time and stay in office anyway?

Am I missing something?

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