Poll of the Day > Cyberpunk launching with a pretty severe seizure warning for epileptic people

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https://kotaku.com/cyberpunk-2077-causes-seizure-doesn-t-contain-warning-1845834693

Cant believe this got overlooked despite so many delays

Lots of games can potentially cause a seizure in someone who has epilepsy but the brain dance sequences of the game literally use the same red and white flashing of colors that doctors use to induce a seizure in a patient when they need to see what exactly is happening in their brain during an episode.

The sequence is unskippable in game but theyre working on an update to change it. A reviewer already suffered a major seizure while playing the game


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Gonna watch the Porygon episode on repeat to prep myself

they should have read the EULA!

CDPR separating the real gamers from the wannabes.

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Thanks for the heads up. As an epileptic myself, I appreciate the warning. Also as an epileptic, I don't appreciate @Veedrock- 's comment. Could we maybe as a courtesy not belittle those with preexisting conditions that they have no control over?

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BADoglick posted...

Thanks for the heads up. As an epileptic myself, I appreciate the warning. Also as an epileptic, I don't appreciate Veedrock- 's comment. Could we maybe as a courtesy not belittle those with preexisting conditions that they have no control over?

veedrock is constantly LARPing as an edgy 12 year old

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It's the Pokemon Panic but for modern AAA games.

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

veedrock is constantly LARPing as an edgy 12 year old

That explains it. The concept of a seizure is 'funny' until you actually have one or see someone have one. In reality it's horrifically traumatic, and you can do a lot of damage to yourself when you lose total control. Twice I bashed my head on something going down and was concussed for weeks after. Once I rug-burnned half my face off seizing on the carpet. I also get to deal with the side effects of my medication, including balding when my family has zero history of it, manic depression, and constant dry mouth.

So I suppose at the end of the day, being called 'not a real gamer' is the least of my issues. I'm not trying to be a bummer or garner sympathy, in fact I'd rather not. But I'd still appreciate it if people didn't feel compelled to make light of seizures.

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BADoglick posted...

That explains it. The concept of a seizure is 'funny' until you actually have one or see someone have one. In reality it's horrifically traumatic, and you can do a lot of damage to yourself when you lose total control. Twice I bashed my head on something going down and was concussed for weeks after. Once I rug-burnned half my face off seizing on the carpet. I also get to deal with the side effects of my medication, including balding when my family has zero history of it, manic depression, and constant dry mouth.

If you don't mind going into more detail, I'm curious what it's actually like when you have a seizure, at least in your head, I have no idea if you're conscious or not throughout the entire thing, it's just not something people talk about a lot in my circles.
Also, is most of the damage that's caused just from the fact that you lose control of your body and fall on things, or is there some sort of brain trauma associated with it?

Yeah anyone that jokes about seizures has never experienced one or seen someone have one

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https://twitter.com/DirtyEffinHippy/status/1336068261826408452

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shadowsword87 posted...

If you don't mind going into more detail, I'm curious what it's actually like when you have a seizure, at least in your head, I have no idea if you're conscious or not throughout the entire thing, it's just not something people talk about a lot in my circles.
Also, is most of the damage that's caused just from the fact that you lose control of your body and fall on things, or is there some sort of brain trauma associated with it?

I don't remember anything during the seizure, you're out cold. And that's the scary thing. You just lose control all of a sudden. Doesn't matter if you are in a safe place or on top of a ladder... you just lose consciousness and any control of your body, and it can happen with little to no warning. You can get an 'aura', like a feeling it might happen, but honestly I feel a semblance of an aura almost every day so it's hard to know if it's imminent or not. It's weird though after. You know when you wake up from a nap and you have no idea how long you were out or what time it is? That's the closest thing to it.

The damage is both from falling, and the exhaustion from all of your muscles shaking and flailing simultaneously. If you don't hit anything on the way down, you just feel really tired both physically and mentally after but you mostly feel better again after resting, maybe a little queasy

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shadowsword87 posted...

If you don't mind going into more detail, I'm curious what it's actually like when you have a seizure, at least in your head, I have no idea if you're conscious or not throughout the entire thing, it's just not something people talk about a lot in my circles.
Also, is most of the damage that's caused just from the fact that you lose control of your body and fall on things, or is there some sort of brain trauma associated with it?

Its very rare for someone to be conscious at all during a seizure

Ive only had one happen to me so Im not considered epileptic, but there is just a blank gap in my memory. I dont even remember the events leading up to it. First thing I experienced was sort of a sensation of being put back into my body but it feeling wrong and almost nauseating. I thought maybe I had been sleep walking until I found my glasses on the floor and realized they had blood all over them from where I had hit my head. Finally realized it was a seizure when I texted my wife about how my tongue was all chewed up.

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BADoglick posted...

Could we maybe as a courtesy not belittle those with preexisting conditions that they have no control over?

Take a joke, CDPR is the problem here.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

veedrock is constantly LARPing as an edgy 12 year old

Stop simping me.

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BADoglick posted...

I don't remember anything during the seizure, you're out cold. And that's the scary thing. You just lose control all of a sudden. Doesn't matter if you are in a safe place or on top of a ladder... you just lose consciousness and any control of your body, and it can happen with little to no warning. You can get an 'aura', like a feeling it might happen, but honestly I feel a semblance of an aura almost every day so it's hard to know if it's imminent or not. It's weird though after. You know when you wake up from a nap and you have no idea how long you were out or what time it is? That's the closest thing to it.

The damage is both from falling, and the exhaustion from all of your muscles shaking and flailing simultaneously. If you don't hit anything on the way down, you just feel really tired both physically and mentally after but you mostly feel better again after resting, maybe a little queasy

Ah, all right, this is going to sound possibly really insulting, but, one of my old dogs had seizures and when I was a teen, my mom told me that she was fine, and to just make sure she's ok when she wakes up and give her a lot of love.
I'm happy mom wasn't just saying things and she was ok during it, she was never hurt during it, but I was still worried for her.

Maybe dont imply that people with a medical condition arent real gamers

Say that youre just joking all you want, it doesnt make the joke funny or any less crass

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Veedrock- posted...

Take a joke, CDPR is the problem here.

You don't get to tell me, an epileptic, that your 'joke' about epileptics is inoffensive. So how about instead, just admit that your comment was in poor taste, and learn to be less of an ass going forward. Or is that too much to ask?

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Seizures are terrifying. My aunts ex husband used to have full body seizures and he was a big dude. Scariest shit I've ever seen

I never claimed it was inoffensive, believe it or not humor doesn't have to be considerate and wholesome.

And you guys lack tact when it suits you so I'll keep on doing. Hypocrites.

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Saying something that you know might offend people doesnt make it funny

Im not offended at all by why you said but that doesnt mean what you said isnt shitty, and it simply isnt a funny joke to begin with

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You should tweet that bro.

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shadowsword87 posted...

Ah, all right, this is going to sound possibly really insulting, but, one of my old dogs had seizures and when I was a teen, my mom told me that she was fine, and to just make sure she's ok when she wakes up and give her a lot of love.
I'm happy mom wasn't just saying things and she was ok during it, she was never hurt during it, but I was still worried for her.

Honestly that's really all you can do for a person, too. Cradle their head to minimize risk of a concussion, and take care of them during and after

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Veedrock- posted...

I never claimed it was inoffensive, believe it or not humor doesn't have to be considerate and wholesome.

And you guys lack tact when it suits you so I'll keep on doing. Hypocrites.

So you are just gonna continue disparaging people with uncontrollable medical conditions on the faulty premise that 'other people do it too'

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BADoglick posted...

So you are just gonna continue disparaging people with uncontrollable medical conditions on the faulty premise that 'other people do it too'

I'm gonna continue if/when I want to, unirregardless of others' behavior. What I'm not doing is getting lectured by you lot, on that premise.

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Veedrock- posted...

I'm gonna continue if/when I want to, unirregardless of others' behavior. What I'm not doing is getting lectured by you lot, on that premise.

I don't think anyone who uses the 'word' 'unirregardless' has the right to disparage anyone lmao

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Veedrock- posted...

I'm gonna continue if/when I want to, unirregardless of others' behavior. What I'm not doing is getting lectured by you lot, on that premise.

"I can post bigoted fuckwittery but you can't post criticisms of me. Hurr"

You're on a forum. You don't want people criticizing your idiocy? Then don't post it.

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I dont use Twitter but Im not surprised to see you respond with that

you probably think that anyone that doesnt chortle at your gradeschool level humor is some virtue signaling SJW, because of course you do

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Probably just an assassination attempt on that reviewer.
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It's really rather baffling that nobody in CDPR saw a problem with this. This is Incredibles 2 all over again.

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Veedrock- posted...

You should tweet that bro.

lmfao is this a parody? your joke didn't fly bud, welcome to the free market! who tf cares about twitter

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BADoglick posted...

That explains it. The concept of a seizure is 'funny' until you actually have one or see someone have one.

Yeah, bro. For real. When I was a little kid, I was on a bus and some dude had a seizure and was foaming and shaking and it fucking scarred me for life.

Btw I appreciate the support from everyone here. I know this board attracts it's fair share of trolls, but it's nice knowing that the majority are relatively decent people.

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I honestly thought those warnings were like hot sauce and they put that shit on everything.

dedbus posted...

I honestly thought those warnings were like hot sauce and they put that shit on everything.

Pretty much every video game carries it, because you can all but guarantee that just about every game is going to end up flickering from time to time (even if it's just as a result of clipping the camera out of the map) and that's something epileptics should be aware of before playing, but this sounds like it's a particularly egregious example that's extremely likely to cause seizures in photosensitive people. That warrants special mention.

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adjl posted...

Pretty much every video game carries it, because you can all but guarantee that just about every game is going to end up flickering from time to time (even if it's just as a result of clipping the camera out of the map) and that's something epileptics should be aware of before playing, but this sounds like it's a particularly egregious example that's extremely likely to cause seizures in photosensitive people. That warrants special mention.

Those warnings are pretty pointless since most people ignore them anyway. I guess it's also kinda like alcohol websites that give the age gate when they're not legally obligated.
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VioletMassacre posted...

Maybe it's just me, but isn't it pretty much a given that a cyberpunk game taking place in something called "Night City" is extremely likely to have flahing lights and stuff?

It sounds like this goes even beyond that, with specific scenes that are all but deliberately designed to trigger seizures. Flashing lights are to be expected, but not to this scale.

Revelation34 posted...

Those warnings are pretty pointless since most people ignore them anyway.

They're largely a CYA measure, preventing publishers from being sued if somebody has a seizure while playing their game. Most people don't really ignore them so much as they accept that it's a risk and move forward anyway because they're not in any particular danger. Those epileptics with a history of seizures induced by video games do tend to consider it more seriously, including many that give up gaming altogether for it.

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Hey, BADog, so it can happen without looking at flashing lights? You said it can happen anywhere, anytime, but I thought something had to trigger it, no?(they unfortunately didn't cover epileptics or seizures at all in medic training, since epileptics aren't allowed in the military)
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dedbus posted...

I honestly thought those warnings were like hot sauce and they put that shit on everything.

It's one of those things that every game/movie does it to protect themselves from liability, so even as an epileptic you tend to tune it out because you were always fine before. So when there's an especially egregious example, there's nothing to differentiate it from everything else. Like the newest star wars for example, I completely disregarded the warnings because I've seen 8 other sw movies no problem, but then I spent half the movie with my hands over my eyes. Although apparently that was for the best, considering.

lihlih posted...

Hey, BADog, so it can happen without looking at flashing lights? You said it can happen anywhere, anytime, but I thought something had to trigger it, no?(they unfortunately didn't cover epileptics or seizures at all in medic training, since epileptics aren't allowed in the military)

Lots of things can be triggers for seizures. Low blood sugar, alcohol or drugs, lack of sleep, dehydration, over exertion. Essentially it's about 'lowering your threshold'. When you are rested, medicated, hydrated, feeling 100%, your threshold is as high as it can be. Any one of those things can lower your threshold for having a seizure. So you really have to take care of yourself. It's also one reason cbd is so effective, because cbd promotes homeostasis.

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