Poll of the Day > Why do film makers change what video game films are about?

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lihlih
07/10/21 8:42:56 AM
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Like it baffles me that so many video game films barely or sometimes have nothing to do with the source material. What's the point of making a video game film if you're going to change everything about it?

The Resident Evil movies sucked, but you gotta give them credit for mostly staying on topic. Can't say the same about most of other video game movies out there.
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jsb0714
07/10/21 8:47:37 AM
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Films need a story. Whether you believe it or not, most games don't have much of one.
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lihlih
07/10/21 8:49:46 AM
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jsb0714 posted...
Films need a story. Whether you believe it or not, most games don't have much of one.


You do know that it's possible to build a story that has relevance to the game instead of going on a complete tangent, right?
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ParanoidObsessive
07/10/21 8:56:47 AM
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lihlih posted...
Like it baffles me that so many video game films barely or sometimes have nothing to do with the source material.

It's because most film directors have an innate sense of superiority and pretentious dismissal of "video games" as anything worthwhile, so they always feel like they can "improve" video game stories.

But most directors also have an overinflated sense of their own worth, so the things they come up with often wind up being worse than what they started with.

It also doesn't help when Hollywood execs will say things like "Hey, throw a giant robot spider in the movie" in an attempt to put their own stamp on things, without regard to how it relates to the story being told.

It's the same problem comic book movies have always had. It's rare that you find a filmmaker that actually cares about/likes the source material enough to try and tell the story in a way that reflects well on the original story, as opposed to trying to dismissively do their own thing.

And even beyond that, video games have a problem that books and comics don't - which is, the narrative structure of "interactive storytelling" is different from a normal story, and there are elements of it that won't effectively translate into a linear story. A story that works in a 10-hour game that mostly consists of the player shooting aliens isn't necessarily going to work in a 2-hour movie.



lihlih posted...
What's the point of making a video game film if you're going to change everything about it?

It's because the only thing they care about is the name recognition. The idea being that you can get fans of the game to go see the movie no matter what the movie is like, because they're already fans of the brand.

That's a much less successful strategy in modern times with Twitter and the Internet in general allowing for instance movie-reviews (and pre-release leaks giving away large parts of a movie's premise/plot even before anyone spends a single dime), so audiences can avoid shitty films like the plague regardless of branding, deceptive trailers, or marketing hype - but it takes a long time for that sort of awareness to percolate through the brains of Hollywood execs. Especially since most of them don't even remotely give a shit about whether or not a movie is good as long as it can make money (if not in the US, then at least in China).
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MagicalPrincess
07/10/21 9:22:38 AM
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I love The Wizard with Fred Savage. I have it on DVD. The Silent Hill movies are pretty good also.

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adjl
07/10/21 11:12:33 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
It's because most film directors have an innate sense of superiority and pretentious dismissal of "video games" as anything worthwhile, so they always feel like they can "improve" video game stories.

Pretty much. Toss in executives that have no understanding whatsoever of the source material that want certain things shoehorned in because they know they're popular, and you get something that's barely recognizable.

Mostly, this, at risk of TL;DW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qacb7ZQoeYQ

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jsb0714
07/10/21 11:43:28 AM
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lihlih posted...
You do know that it's possible to build a story that has relevance to the game instead of going on a complete tangent, right?
Is it?
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Mead
07/10/21 11:51:12 AM
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I wish there was any evidence on this board of TC caring half as much about his parental responsibilities as he does about this kinda thing

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adjl
07/10/21 11:51:34 AM
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jsb0714 posted...
Is it?

Generally. Most IP's that are popular enough to be worth adapting have done enough world-building that it's not that hard to make a story that actually fits into the universe and forms a plausible part of the series. The Mario Bros movie was very much not a good adaptation, and part of that can be blamed on the fact that there's really no actual story to work with in Mario games (especially in 1993), but Mario RPG, Paper Mario, and M&L games have all shown that it's perfectly possible to tell an actual story without reinventing the universe. There's no reason a movie can't do the same.

Studios' repeated failure to do that is not because it's impossible, it's because they'd rather just shoehorn a pre-existing story template into the IP they purchased and hope that brand recognition is enough to carry it to profitability.

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lihlih
07/10/21 12:15:11 PM
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adjl posted...


Generally. Most IP's that are popular enough to be worth adapting have done enough world-building that it's not that hard to make a story that actually fits into the universe and forms a plausible part of the series. The Mario Bros movie was very much not a good adaptation, and part of that can be blamed on the fact that there's really no actual story to work with in Mario games (especially in 1993), but Mario RPG, Paper Mario, and M&L games have all shown that it's perfectly possible to tell an actual story without reinventing the universe. There's no reason a movie can't do the same.

Studios' repeated failure to do that is not because it's impossible, it's because they'd rather just shoehorn a pre-existing story template into the IP they purchased and hope that brand recognition is enough to carry it to profitability.


Actually, the reason the Mario Bros has such a weird ass story is because of the dumbass directors, not the fact that they had no story to work with:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mgXjQwVa8kU
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lihlih
07/10/21 12:33:22 PM
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Mead proving everyone's opinion on his intelligence again. Only someone with a below average intelligence would think that asking a friend with a degree in Psych about their children is a bad parenting move, lol.
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helIy
07/10/21 2:52:41 PM
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the resident evil movies are fun af

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Mead
07/10/21 2:54:00 PM
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Ive literally never commented about your friend in psych but lol you keep on doing what youre doing

maybe try to be a good dad while youre at it pls

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lihlih
07/10/21 4:08:09 PM
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Mead posted...
Ive literally never commented about your friend in psych but lol you keep on doing what youre doing

maybe try to be a good dad while youre at it pls


Except you were one of the people bitching in that topic, and you're bitching now thatbI don't do anything for my kids, when I've shown that I do. So why don't you stop saying stupidass shit for once?
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helIy
07/10/21 4:12:30 PM
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mead only talked about the video you had posted in that topic

he never even posted in it after you made up that lame friend story

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EvilMegas
07/10/21 4:18:44 PM
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jsb0714 posted...
Films need a story. Whether you believe it or not, most games don't have much of one.
That's not even remotely true for this Era of games.

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lihlih
07/10/21 4:45:35 PM
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helIy posted...
mead only talked about the video you had posted in that topic

he never even posted in it after you made up that lame friend story


I can't believe you're still so friendless that the fact that someone has a friend that has a Psych degree is such a strange concept to you. Why don't you stop go make some friends instead of posting stupid shit?
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Mead
07/10/21 5:06:13 PM
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lihlih posted...
Except you were one of the people bitching in that topic, and you're bitching now thatbI don't do anything for my kids, when I've shown that I do. So why don't you stop saying stupidass shit for once?

Only thing I said in that topic that seemed to trigger you so much was Please dont take pictures of your daughter sleeping and post them here

I obviously dont know your life. But over the last few years the pics and clips youve posted of your kid have worried me. You routinely use the words weird and weirdo to describe her, or ask if she is weird. Which to me doesnt seem like the best dad mentality.

Like a few years ago you posted some clip of you playing some baseball game and she was kinda imitating what your character was doing and just trying to be involved in what her dad was doing, and you posted saying what a weirdo you thought she was. Maybe I took it the wrong way, maybe youre a cool dad. But Im gonna say what I think and if you cant handle that then the block feature exists for a reason.

Mead out

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lihlih
07/10/21 5:36:57 PM
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Mead posted...


Only thing I said in that topic that seemed to trigger you so much was Please dont take pictures of your daughter sleeping and post them here

I obviously dont know your life. But over the last few years the pics and clips youve posted of your kid have worried me. You routinely use the words weird and weirdo to describe her, or ask if she is weird. Which to me doesnt seem like the best dad mentality.

Like a few years ago you posted some clip of you playing some baseball game and she was kinda imitating what your character was doing and just trying to be involved in what her dad was doing, and you posted saying what a weirdo you thought she was. Maybe I took it the wrong way, maybe youre a cool dad. But Im gonna say what I think and if you cant handle that then the block feature exists for a reason.

Mead out


Wow, you have alzheimers up the ass. I never said she was a weirdo for imitating baseball, I said she's going to start for the Yankees. Jesus Christ, get some medical help for your fucking alzheimers, man.
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Mead
07/10/21 5:52:21 PM
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lihlih posted...
Wow, you have alzheimers up the ass. I never said she was a weirdo for imitating baseball, I said she's going to start for the Yankees. Jesus Christ, get some medical help for your fucking alzheimers, man.

You said one thing here on potd but it led to your Imgur where you called her a weirdo iirc

I could be mistaken but youve definitely posted stuff about her that personally rubbed me the wrong way. I mean you know there are some creeps on this board. By all likelihood you think Im one of them.

And youre the one obsessed with your whole friend who is a psych major thing. Nobody else cares about that. The issue was that you took a creepshot of your sleeping kid and posted it here asking if your little girl was weird for sleeping next to dolls, which is obviously a totally normal thing for a kid to do

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lihlih
07/10/21 5:59:24 PM
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Mead posted...


You said one thing here on potd but it led to your Imgur where you called her a weirdo iirc

I could be mistaken but youve definitely posted stuff about her that personally rubbed me the wrong way. I mean you know there are some creeps on this board. By all likelihood you think Im one of them.

And youre the one obsessed with your whole friend who is a psych major thing. Nobody else cares about that. The issue was that you took a creepshot of your sleeping kid and posted it here asking if your little girl was weird for sleeping next to dolls, which is obviously a totally normal thing for a kid to do


You'd really have to be reaching or a pedophile yourself to think that a father taking a cute photo of their kid sleeping is a creepy thing to do. Not my fault your brain is fucked up like that. Also, I asked my Psych friend to make sure my kids would be alright, which is the opposite of the dumbass narrative you're trying to push about my parenting skills. Yet you and your little buddies still talk shit about me asking my Psych major buddy about my kids.
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CinderLock
07/10/21 6:00:48 PM
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ITT Mead has never interacted with children and is taking his weird personal issues out on users

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Mead
07/10/21 6:10:30 PM
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lihlih posted...
You'd really have to be reaching or a pedophile yourself to think that a father taking a cute photo of their kid sleeping is a creepy thing to do.

yeah pedos are notorious for their desire for people to NOT post pics of kids online. Super smart argument you got there

lihlih posted...
Also, I asked my Psych friend to make sure my kids would be alright, which is the opposite of the dumbass narrative you're trying to push about my parenting skills.

I dont care that you have a friend in psych or that you asked them a question. That doesnt prove anything or even mean anything.

lihlih posted...
Yet you and your little buddies still talk shit about me asking my Psych major buddy about my kids.

Again I didnt even post about your damn psych friend, youre the one that keeps bringing that up like its some kind of certificate of authenticity of quality parenting.

Like I said I dont know you life, maybe youre a stellar fucking dad. But if you post shit here, Im gonna be honest about what I think about it. And if you are too sensitive to handle that then its on you how to resolve that.

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lihlih
07/10/21 6:15:19 PM
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Mead posted...


yeah pedos are notorious for their desire for people to NOT post pics of kids online. Super smart argument you got there

I dont care that you have a friend in psych or that you asked them a question. That doesnt prove anything or even mean anything.

Again I didnt even post about your damn psych friend, youre the one that keeps bringing that up like its some kind of certificate of authenticity of quality parenting.

Like I said I dont know you life, maybe youre a stellar fucking dad. But if you post shit here, Im gonna be honest about what I think about it. And if you are too sensitive to handle that then its on you how to resolve that.


Except it's not just me, even other users are seeing what kind of dumbass shit you're posting. So why don't you just keep your useless opinions to yourself, since you're the only one that has these dumbass opinions.
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Mead
07/10/21 6:21:51 PM
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lihlih posted...
even other users are seeing what kind of dumbass shit you're posting

golly I wonder if that has something to do with all the dumbass shit I enjoy posting

I aint bulletproof but these criticisms just arent really landing for me. If you put your mind to it I think you can get come up with something a little more savage.

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jsb0714
07/10/21 6:57:02 PM
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EvilMegas posted...
That's not even remotely true for this Era of games.
Scenes of excessive dialog don't necessarily constitute a story.
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adjl
07/10/21 7:35:20 PM
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jsb0714 posted...
Scenes of excessive dialog don't necessarily constitute a story.

What do you think a movie is?

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EvilMegas
07/10/21 8:18:50 PM
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jsb0714 posted...
Scenes of excessive dialog don't necessarily constitute a story.
That's nothing. Try again.

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Mead
07/10/21 8:19:49 PM
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adjl posted...
What do you think a movie is?

a miserable pile of scene credits

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adjl
07/10/21 8:21:18 PM
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Perhaps the same can be said of all media.

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Mead
07/10/21 8:26:42 PM
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But enough casting, start filming!

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Zeus
07/10/21 8:39:08 PM
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Because film makers in general are pretty lousy when it comes to source material. If they're not a fan, they want to insert their own vision. And if they are a fan, sometimes it's even worse.

The handling tends to be worse when it comes to "low-brow" source material, but it's an almost universal issue. And part of it comes from misplaced sets of incentives and the fact that people will often try to get jobs because they can't get other things they want, which results in people trying to "prove" themselves rather on adapting the source material.

Then you have the secondary issues of focus groups, etc, and hoping to appeal to a broader audience.

lihlih posted...
Except you were one of the people bitching in that topic, and you're bitching now thatbI don't do anything for my kids, when I've shown that I do. So why don't you stop saying stupidass shit for once?

Why the hell does anybody take that guy seriously? He'll say anything to get a rise out of people, and orchestrates entire campaigns of harassment in an attempt to bully people in the hopes that they'll be as miserable as he is.


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Mead
07/10/21 8:40:29 PM
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Lol @ Zeus thinking Im clever enough to orchestrate anything more complicated than a baked potato

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jsb0714
07/10/21 10:47:17 PM
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adjl posted...
What do you think a movie is?
A film that has motion, hence "movie".
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helIy
07/11/21 9:22:29 AM
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lihlih posted...
I can't believe you're still so friendless that the fact that someone has a friend that has a Psych degree is such a strange concept to you. Why don't you stop go make some friends instead of posting stupid shit?

lihlih posted...
Why don't you stop go make some friends instead of posting stupid shit?


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Thirty3_1Third
07/11/21 10:55:10 AM
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MagicalPrincess posted...
I love The Wizard with Fred Savage. I have it on DVD. The Silent Hill movies are pretty good also.
Movie. Silent Hill movie. We don't credit the second one.

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adjl
07/11/21 10:57:46 AM
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jsb0714 posted...
A film that has motion, hence "movie".

And while they move, actors deliver story via dialogue. That sounds an awful lot like how story is delivered in a certain other medium...

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Arcturusisnow
07/11/21 11:42:39 AM
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adjl posted...
Pretty much. Toss in executives that have no understanding whatsoever of the source material that want certain things shoehorned in because they know they're popular, and you get something that's barely recognizable.

Mostly, this, at risk of TL;DW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qacb7ZQoeYQ
Except Sonic was pretty good? It may not have had much to do with the games, but Sonic really doesn't have a plot to begin with. It's a fucking sidescroller.
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adjl
07/11/21 11:51:51 AM
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I haven't seen it, but yeah, my understanding is that it did turn out reasonably well. The original design for Sonic, however, did thoroughly demonstrate Hollywood's tendency to say "we know better what fans of your IP want to see than you do" and make completely ridiculous changes as a result.

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ArvTheGreat
07/11/21 12:22:05 PM
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Leave mead alone hes Arvs best friend!

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Zeus
07/11/21 2:20:42 PM
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adjl posted...
I haven't seen it, but yeah, my understanding is that it did turn out reasonably well. The original design for Sonic, however, did thoroughly demonstrate Hollywood's tendency to say "we know better what fans of your IP want to see than you do" and make completely ridiculous changes as a result.

A jaded part of me wonders if they don't do stuff like that as a PR stunt because they know that any design will struggle to get over with fans so they pitch a really awful one at first for people to complain about and then make a more tolerable version.

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adjl
07/11/21 10:17:45 PM
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Zeus posted...
A jaded part of me wonders if they don't do stuff like that as a PR stunt because they know that any design will struggle to get over with fans so they pitch a really awful one at first for people to complain about and then make a more tolerable version.

Not impossible, but that doesn't seem like the most financially viable move. Completely reanimating the main character is not a small undertaking, and as much as the animators are paid peanuts and likely got no overtime compensation for the long hours they had to put in to pull off the redesign so quickly, I would think that would still be so expensive that that would be a very significant gamble. Unless, of course, they actually made the movie with the final design and just made the trailer with the manhog. I could see them pulling something like that.

That said, as much as gamers are notoriously hard to please, stuff like Detective Pikachu didn't get much by way of backlash for its character designs, given that they stayed true to the originals (as much as they looked kinda creepy in the realistic setting). I don't think it's so difficult to do a decent adaptation that they really need to resort to tricks like that.

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