Poll of the Day > People are always like "everyone should work"

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But have they met people though

most people are a pretty broad range personalities and they are not good at doing stuff

just look at all the mistakes. Just look

some of even the successful ones seem overwhelmed by various kinds of mania

and when you go to a restaurant do you want your server to be some cool younger funny person, or just like a vile wretch

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I think there is a job for everyone, you just need to look for them. I was never good at "customer service", so I avoided retail and service and worked in construction in high school. You can also do landscaping, warehousing, machining, farming, etc. And that doesn't even get into the skilled work where you if you can get a certification or degree you can do a lot more.

There is so much stuff out there, I think it is kind of defeatist to say "working isn't for me". Like saying "oxygen isn't for me" because you don't like the smell of pine. There are other plants that you can get oxygen from...

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I think some kind of UBI or NIT needs to be implemented at a national level because there are clearly a sizable part of the population that do NOT want to work. Those people should not be made to work as many times the workforce is better without them. This reminds me of back when I worked retail, I had a coworker who was incredibly lazy and never wanted to do their job. He clearly did not want to be there and wanted to be a burden on everyone around him.

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Dikitain posted...

There is so much stuff out there, I think it is kind of defeatist to say "working isn't for me". Like saying "oxygen isn't for me" because you don't like the smell of pine. There are other plants that you can get oxygen from...

you cant live without oxygen

you can survive and grow as a person and learn and appreciate different things in life without needing to feel driven towards monetary capitalist pursuits

we dont want to labor, we just want to chill, and it works, so just let us chill

weve been through some shit

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Smells a lot of like socialism in here!

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DANTE20XX posted...

Smells a lot of like socialism in here!

good

we like socialism

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DANTE20XX posted...

Smells a lot of like socialism in here!

Nah nothing I said was socialism at all.

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Mead posted...

you can survive and grow as a person and learn and appreciate different things in life without needing to feel driven towards monetary capitalist pursuits

No, but you still require the fruits of other people's labor and capitalistic pursuits to achieve most of that growth or appreciation. Just fulfilling the most basic level of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs requires resources and effort. Without it you'd be dead in about a week. Higher levels require even more investment.

If you contribute literally nothing of value to society, why should society as a whole care whether or not you live or die - let alone whether or not you feel intellectually or spiritually fulfilled?
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

If you contribute literally nothing of value to society, why should society as a whole care whether or not you live or die - let alone whether or not you feel intellectually or spiritually fulfilled?

everyone contributes to society, in a bunch of ways. Sometimes in good ways and sometimes in bad ways. There are plenty of people working who are just dicks and mean to people for example. Id rather they just stay home.

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Mead posted...

you can survive and grow as a person and learn and appreciate different things in life without needing to feel driven towards monetary capitalist pursuits

Like we say here, "work to live, not live to work".

DANTE20XX posted...

Smells a lot of like socialism in here!

Socialism is about making sure everyone does something and can survive. Lazy people may abuse that, but it is not the goal.

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Plenty of cool people are lazy

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I don't wanna speak from a position of hypocrisy since I don't work... but I feel the need to identify yourself through your job is very toxic


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Lokarin posted...

I don't wanna speak from a position of hypocrisy since I don't work... but I feel the need to identify yourself through your job is very toxic

if someone is passionate about what they do then I dont see anything wrong with it

some people really enjoy their jobs and I think thats really cool

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Lokarin posted...

but I feel the need to identify yourself through your job is very toxic

Your post was very toxic like the majority of your political beliefs so it's whatever.

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Judgmenl posted...

Your post was very toxic like the majority of your political beliefs so it's whatever.

shut the fuck up dude youre the worst

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the idea that all 7 billion people on the planet are all supposed to be productive all the time is capitalist propaganda

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Judgmenl posted...

I think some kind of UBI or NIT needs to be implemented at a national level because there are clearly a sizable part of the population that do NOT want to work. Those people should not be made to work as many times the workforce is better without them. This reminds me of back when I worked retail, I had a coworker who was incredibly lazy and never wanted to do their job. He clearly did not want to be there and wanted to be a burden on everyone around him.

The idea of people lazing around and doing nothing simply because they dOnT wAnT tO wOrK just doesnt sit right with me. Unless the people who do work make a shit ton more money.

And, no, Im not one of those workaholic types who believes that there isnt more to life than working, I just think everyone should contribute in SOME way unless they absolutely 100% truly cannot.

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Mead posted...

if someone is passionate about what they do then I dont see anything wrong with it

some people really enjoy their jobs and I think thats really cool

yeee, passion is awesome

I meant more like "I identify as an electrician, if I couldn't electrician any more I may as well die."

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

the idea that all 7 billion people on the planet are all supposed to be productive all the time is capitalist propaganda

You didn't read my post so it's also whatever.

rexcrk posted...

The idea of people lazing around and doing nothing simply because they dOnT wAnT tO wOrK just doesnt sit right with me. Unless the people who do work make a shit ton more money.

Peer pressure is a hell of a drug.

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I wasnt talking to you

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Judgmenl posted...

Peer pressure is a hell of a drug.

*sigh* alright. Ill bite.

Please elaborate what you mean.

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rexcrk posted...

I just think everyone should contribute in SOME way unless they absolutely 100% truly cannot

why should what you think dictate what other people do with their lives

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I do agree that contribution is important. Which is why I try to make you guys laugh and I draw pictures and photograph bugs and birds for y'alls

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rexcrk posted...

I just think everyone should contribute in SOME way unless they absolutely 100% truly cannot.

If they require an income that is I assume?

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Lokarin posted...

Which is why I try to make you guys laugh

this is literally how I am making my way through life

if you can make people laugh they will usually be at ease and friendly towards you

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rexcrk posted...

Please elaborate what you mean.

Eastern society enforces a lot of things through peer pressure. If we have a strong social safety net, you will be pressured into being a productive member of society. Focus needs to be pushed away from the individual and onto the collective.

>But this is socialism.
No it's not. It's just collectivism.

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Mead posted...

why should what you think dictate what other people do with their lives

Because how is it fair that there are people slaving away to make ends meet while there are people doing nothing and getting the same amount of money (if not more)?

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rexcrk posted...

Because how is it fair that there are people slaving away to make ends meet

it should be up to them whether they want to do that or not

rexcrk posted...

while there are people doing nothing and getting the same amount of money (if not more)?

because there are so many people and so many things in our society are being progressively more and more automated

either you think population needs to go down which really is a horror of a rabbit hole to start exploring, or you gotta realize that doing laborious tasks or contributing towards service should be optional things that people can do to achieve more luxuries in life

but people are valuable enough just as well meaning individuals that stay out of trouble to at least deserve a modest place to live, food, clean water, and medical care

all people deserve those things, with no caveats

we arent an enlightened society if we are allowing people to just die in the streets and in alleyways and in the wilderness just because they arent traditionally employed or are plagued by mental illnesses or drug addiction, as if they are more animal than human

If someone harms others then yes I think as punishment maybe they should have some of their rights diminished for a time or even permanently as punishment. But if someone just lives and enjoys their life and appreciates things and the world in their own way, I think they still deserve a meager living

call it entitlement if you want, but I think its an entitlement every person deserves

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rexcrk posted...

Because how is it fair that there are people slaving away to make ends meet while there are people doing nothing and getting the same amount of money (if not more)?

Sounds like they are cheating the system. Good for them if they are able to live off of very little money. I personally do not want that standard of living for myself and am terrified of the possibility even.

Many years ago I knew a man who lived in a mobile home park. He did not have enough food for himself (had to go to a food shelter) and lived off of the state. Guy barely showered and had some skin disease or something. I felt really bad for him, and I will never allow myself to live like that.

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No person should have to live like that

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Judgmenl posted...

Nah nothing I said was socialism at all.

"Socialism is when the government does stuff"

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rexcrk posted...

Because how is it fair that there are people slaving away to make ends meet while there are people doing nothing and getting the same amount of money (if not more)?

You mean people who've inherited vast sums of money and invested it to make even more money?
No, of course not, those people "deserve it." You're talking about the filthy poors on welfare, aren't you?

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Judgmenl posted...

I will never allow myself to live like that.

uhhhhhhhhh

Cacciato posted...

uhhhhhhhhh

You have no idea how my life is based on a picture from 5 years ago you have zero context on.

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Zareth posted...

You mean people who've inherited vast sums of money and invested it to make even more money?
No, of course not, those people "deserve it." You're talking about the filthy poors on welfare, aren't you?

Very interesting that that is how you interpreted my post even though you couldnt be further off.

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Judgmenl posted...

You have no idea how my life is based on a picture from 5 years ago you have zero context on.

lol. Yeah, my bad for judging your life based off what you share about your life

The whole concept and current structure of it is driving me crazy. People who work like at McDonald's probably contribute more value to society than me, if my job was vacated it wouldn't really make an impact on anything, and what it does make an impact on isn't really important in the slightest, yet I make like three times the amount of someone at McDonald's. I feel guilty about it, but I also want more, cause I guess if I'm gonna be stuck with this system I guess retiring as early as possible is a good goal. So then I look at jobs and the stuff that web developers do is insane, just like why does this company even exist, why are VC firms so eager to pump money into this dumb shit, why can't rich people just try to make the world a better place instead.

I don't know if we're fully ready to automate and move to UBI though, not in the slightest. I think we take stuff for granted like how you can always find stuff at the grocery (well, before the supply chain issues). But making it so difficult to live that people have no choice but to take on these crappy jobs is just cruel, if anything the jobs that make society work should be highly coveted and something you need if you want luxury, the rest should be a guaranteed basic standard of living. We do it entirely backwards instead

I don't know if that just came off like a huge humblebrag lol

Doing work that pays well but feels totally empty doesn't make me happy fwiw. But most of the jobs that are actually useful to society are unglamorous, you have to deal with asshole customers, shitty pay/hours/benefits, owned by a soulless corporation, etc. So I guess yeah what I have now is better

I dont we will ever fully automate things, not even close.

but pay any people that want to work good wages that are actually rewarding, and everyone else should at least have basic needs met

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I agree but there are probably a lot of challenges there, not just political ones, but logistical ones. It's sad in any case that we can't even get to an agreement on that baseline, never mind the how. You shouldn't be able to look at the level of technological advancement we've achieved and think that "people shouldn't be homeless" or "people shouldn't starve" are still up for debate

CoorsLight posted...

I agree but there are probably a lot of challenges there, not just political ones, but logistical ones.

sure but I bet we can figure them out

I mean our current society has a ton of issues but we keep on keeping on, and now they are literally sending the rich on space joyrides while many people cant afford to pay medical bills or afford child care

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Supplemental income in my opinion is better than UBI until you automate almost everything.

First 20 hours any citizen works gets supplimented to help balance out wealth disparity and ensure people can live comfortably on 20-24 hours a week work schedule. With automatic and large population making it unnecessary for people to work 40 hours.

I'd personally like a 3/4 day schedule/shift, where you can choose to work 3 days or 4 days (first 20 hours supplimented anyway)......allowing all jobs/shifts to be covered 7 days a week.

Everybody works though (though in theory you could do some jobs just a few hours a week (like 10) and lived below the comfort level (still get supplimented for those hours).

Basic wage for instance could be 15$ an hour across the board (min wage federal), and then supplimental income is $10 more an hour for the first 20 hours per week.

So if you worked just 20 hours, that would be $500 a week income, $2000 a month (and after taxes about $1700.

Work 10 hours and it would be about $1000 a month (about $900 after taxes), you could still barely live on that...but you would be struggling.

Work 4 days (32 hours), and you would make an additional $180 a week ($600 more per month after taxes).

And that would be the bare minimum you could make. Nobody would need to work 5 days a week, or over 40 hours to live.

Higher paying jobs still work that way as well, and are paid more just like in our current system (but also based on demand...ie jobs that are more important/needed will generally pay more base, even if they are not high skilled jobs etc).

A doctor for instance might make enough to live very comfortably working only 3 days a week. You would have more doctors as you need less and less laborers etc, so people would be free to aim for higher jobs.

Important to get rid of the crap education program in this country as well, so that going to school is available for everyone, and since you actually don't have to work as much, you can even do it easily while working and having your own place etc. ANYONE who wants to could go to school and learn to be a higher profession.

You'd still have capatalism, you would still have competition etc, but nobody would be as stressed, working while raising a child (especially as a family with 2 parents) would be WAY easier (I'd also make childcare more available and cheaper for single parents etc). Child care jobs for that matter would be supplimented just like all other jobs for the first 20 hours, so a parent (single etc) could work in the field with their children, and still have enough to support themselves (or one parent could do one job while the other works in child care, or one parent can work 3 days a week and the other 4 (also swing schedules where you alternate that would be pretty commmon, which would allow parents to alternate which week they work 4 etc). A parent would always be available that way to be with the kids.

But whatever, it's not gonna happen.

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It is basically impossible to do my job with only a 20 hour work week.

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Judgmenl posted...

It is basically impossible to do my job with only a 20 hour work week.

for a human

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CoorsLight posted...

The whole concept and current structure of it is driving me crazy. People who work like at McDonald's probably contribute more value to society than me, if my job was vacated it wouldn't really make an impact on anything, and what it does make an impact on isn't really important in the slightest, yet I make like three times the amount of someone at McDonald's. I feel guilty about it, but I also want more, cause I guess if I'm gonna be stuck with this system I guess retiring as early as possible is a good goal. So then I look at jobs and the stuff that web developers do is insane, just like why does this company even exist, why are VC firms so eager to pump money into this dumb shit, why can't rich people just try to make the world a better place instead.

I don't know if we're fully ready to automate and move to UBI though, not in the slightest. I think we take stuff for granted like how you can always find stuff at the grocery (well, before the supply chain issues). But making it so difficult to live that people have no choice but to take on these crappy jobs is just cruel, if anything the jobs that make society work should be highly coveted and something you need if you want luxury, the rest should be a guaranteed basic standard of living. We do it entirely backwards instead

Anyone can work at McDonalds, not everyone can do what you do. That is why you get paid more.


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DrPrimemaster posted...

Anyone can work at McDonalds, not everyone can do what you do. That is why you get paid more.

okay but people who work at McDonalds are still working and contributing towards a functional society, they should have their basic needs met

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Mead posted...

DrPrimemaster posted...
Anyone can work at McDonalds, not everyone can do what you do. That is why you get paid more.

okay but people who work at McDonalds are still working and contributing towards a functional society, they should have their basic needs met
my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby

Also, not everyone can work at mc donalds. I've worked for Carl's Jnr and loved it, but yeah, it's not for everyone. If your trying to say not everyone is smart enough to do some jobs, that is true, but not everyone can be a fitness trainer, or a Paramedic, or a Teacher for that matter.

But for the most part, the higher paying jobs don't actually have higher requirements, many are simple jobs that anyone could do, and as Mead said, everyone deserves to be able to make enough to actually live comfortably.

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