Current Events > Everyone at work is so excited that we have kid's COVID vaccines

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How mad does this make you? We're out here administering vaccines and fucking loving it. Actually helping the world and being pro-medicine is a good, positive thing. We are not harming or murdering anyone.

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What is the scientific rationale for vaccinating kids? Based on the below kids have like a stupidly low chance of dying from covid of like 2 in a million.

Is it purely to stop them spreading it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-577667

Feline posted...

What is the scientific rationale for vaccinating kids?

The rationale is there's only benefits and no downsides.

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Contagious diseases have an impact on more than just you, yes.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

The rationale is there's only benefits and no downsides.

Im not an anti vaxxer. Im double jabbed and so is my wife and I encourage people to get double jabbed.

But as with every medicine whether that be vaccines or even paracetamol there is the chance for an adverse reaction. To state there is no chance at all is just as blind as the anti-vaxxers tbh and just fuels them.

Its just at a 2 in a million chance of a kid dying from covid how does that compare?

I've been kicked and punched a couple times already. Then there's the ones who just cry and scream the second I pull out the needle. Most kids are good but the few terrible ones we get a couple times a day really get to me, and their parents just sit there and do nothing.

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Are you still working at that pharmacy?

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Umbreon posted...

Contagious diseases have an impact on more than just you, yes.

Oh does the vaccine stop you spreading it then? I thought that hadnt been proven yet? Im all for erring on the side of caution though for adults.

Feline posted...

Sept 2021 account talking about covid should be banned.

Also 371 active posts in two months lol

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Feline posted...

Im not an anti vaxxer. Im double jabbed and so is my wife and I encourage people to get double jabbed.

But as with every medicine whether that be vaccines or even paracetamol there is the chance for an adverse reaction. To state there is no chance at all is just as blind as the anti-vaxxers tbh and just fuels them.

Its just at a 2 in a million chance of a kid dying from covid how does that compare?

The chances of dying are less with a vaccine than they are with COVID even for children. And when children do catch COVID if they are vaccinated they will die at a rate much less than 1 in 2 million.

Again there's no downsides and only benefits.

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Feline posted...

Oh does the vaccine stop you spreading it then? I thought that hadnt been proven yet? Im all for erring on the side of caution though for adults.

Just a little JAQing off on saturday morning.

Shut the fuck up.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

The chances of dying are less with a vaccine than they are with COVID even for children. And when children do catch COVID if they are vaccinated they will die at a rate much less than 1 in 2 million.

Again there's no downsides and only benefits.

Are there any stats for adverse reactions to covid though? You say there are no downsides and I imagine there are very few but I cant imagine its zero. What about the whole blood clotting thing from a little while back or was that proven false?

Just shut the fuck up already. Kids are getting vaccinated and that's good.

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Feline posted...

Im not an anti vaxxer. Im double jabbed and so is my wife and I encourage people to get double jabbed.

But as with every medicine whether that be vaccines or even paracetamol there is the chance for an adverse reaction. To state there is no chance at all is just as blind as the anti-vaxxers tbh and just fuels them.

Its just at a 2 in a million chance of a kid dying from covid how does that compare?

When people say no downsidss, they mean generally no downsides.

This is like saying you give breatharians fuel if you claim there are no risks to eating dinner. Technically, anything can happen, but nothing on Earth would be acceptable if we freaked out over every minute chance of harm.

RoseLuck2X22462 posted...

Are you still working at that pharmacy?

No, I work at a good, independent one that gives me tons of ridiculous benefits and has been on the forefront of the local vaccine drive the entire pandemic.

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Feline posted...

Are there any stats for adverse reactions to covid though? You say there are no downsides and I imagine there are very few but I cant imagine its zero. What about the whole blood clotting thing from a little while back or was that proven false?

Who cares if it's not zero? It's still better than COVID. Blood clot thing was proven to be within the expected frequency of people who got that issue before vaccines.

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Feline posted...

What is the scientific rationale for vaccinating kids? Based on the below kids have like a stupidly low chance of dying from covid of like 2 in a million.

Is it purely to stop them spreading it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-577667

I'd like to ask what the scientific benefit is of not vaccinating children?

And how would it make you feel if your kid was one of the two 2 in a million because you refused the vaccine?

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AldousIsDead posted...

Just shut the fuck up already. Kids are getting vaccinated and that's good.

My issue is with him saying there are no side affects when that is just not true. The likely hood of getting them are very very low but they are still there. When you are taking about kids having a 2 in a million chance of dying from covid I think its sensible to compare that with the chances of getting anaphylactic shock to similar.

Love the calm and thought out responses to the genuine questions and suggestions that we don't use absolutes such as "no risk". Definitely, makes it seem like our side of the debate is the well reasoned side and not the cult-ish side that can't handle a simple question or concern

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hockeybub89 posted...

No, I work at a good, independent one that gives me tons of ridiculous benefits and has been on the forefront of the local vaccine drive the entire pandemic.

Well that's good to hear.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Who cares if it's not zero? It's still better than COVID. Blood clot thing was proven to be within the expected frequency of people who got that issue before vaccines.

People shouldnt say there is no downsides then they should say very rare risk of a downside. Otherwise it comes across as trying to hide the truth. Like I said Im double vexed and encourage all adults to get double vaxxed.

Feline posted...

My issue is with him saying there are no side affects when that is just not true. The likely hood of getting them are very very low but they are still there. When you are taking about kids having a 2 in a million chance of dying from covid I think its sensible to compare that with the chances of getting anaphylactic shock to similar.

People are sadly so polarized when it comes to vaccines/Covid they can't manage to discuss it without freaking out and labeling you an anti-vaxxer if you aren't 100% on the same page as them.

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SergeantGander posted...

genuine questions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

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Oh good there's two of them now.

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Ilishe posted...

I'd like to ask what the scientific benefit is of not vaccinating children?

And how would it make you feel if your kid was one of the two 2 in a million because you refused the vaccine?

Id feel guilty as fuck but I dont get how the same logic of hockeybubs answer doesnt apply. Thats why I asked for stats. 2 in a million is pretty low. I imagine a lot of people do things every day that are more risky and dont bat an eyelid.

To put things in perspective the odds of someone dying in a car crash are only 1 in 100,000.

SergeantGander posted...

People are sadly so polarized when it comes to vaccines/Covid they can't manage to discuss it without freaking out and labeling you an anti-vaxxer if you aren't 100% on the same page as them.

meh even though I have said multiple times I am double vaxxed and encourage any adult to get double vaxxed

i won't feel safe till the kids get vaxxed. they can spread it to the adults.
the flu spreads so easily (that be fun when it happens).

live nearby a school have to be careful when i walk my dog so i don't get infected.
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Remember when Feline made a topic questioning why vaccine mandates were necessary if the vaccine doesn't reduce spread? And then people told him that it does in fact reduce spreading, and he pretended to have learned something, like the topic was a genuine topic.

But then here he is, posing the same "questions":

Feline posted...

Oh does the vaccine stop you spreading it then? I thought that hadnt been proven yet? Im all for erring on the side of caution though for adults.

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The game of repeatedly asking questions to normalize them like they are open questions and not stupid as fuck questions is not subtle.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

Remember when Feline made a topic questioning why vaccine mandates were necessary if the vaccine doesn't reduce spread? And then people told him and he pretended to know better, like the topic was a genuine topic.

But then here he is, posing the same "questions":

why they are necessary for kids big difference.

WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

The game of repeatedly asking questions to normalize them like they are open questions and not stupid as fuck questions is not subtle.

same could be said for people repeating that the vaccine has no risks despite people now saying well what I meant there is some risk but not enough to worry about

Shut the fuck up.

You are a terrible person for trolling about this.

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kyujo posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

The vaccinated man said "What is the scientific rationale for vaccinating kids?"

He did not say "how do I know the big gubberment isn't just trying to give me mind control serum to make me turn in my guns?!?!?"

The other suggestion someone pointed out was that we shouldn't say there is 0 risk as their is the extremely low chance to have an anaphylatic response to any vaccine, which brings that risk ever so slightly about 0, but still is an extremely tiny risk

Neither of those are antivax sentiments. Yet everyone freaks out on him

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'Just asking questions bro!'

Getting my kid vaccinated the second I can

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

Shut the fuck up.

You are a terrible person for trolling about this.

Ive been polite throughout this entire topic. Im not the one stating the vaccine is 100% without adverse reactions and yet Im the one being accused of arguing of bad faith.

Like I have said multiple times I am double vaxxed and encourage all adults to get double vaxxed.

Stewman_Magoo posted...

'Just asking questions bro!'

Getting my kid vaccinated the second I can

why would I lie about being double vaxxed?

On one hand Im being accused of being anti vax and now Im being accused of the complete opposite

Feline posted...

Ive been polite throughout this entire topic.

Politely attempting to spread misinformation is still attempting to spread misinformation. Shittier in fact because this "politeness" is a strategy.

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SergeantGander posted...

The vaccinated man said "What is the scientific rationale for vaccinating kids?"

He did not say "how do I know the big gubberment isn't just trying to give me mind control serum to make me turn in my guns?!?!?"

The other suggestion someone pointed out was that we shouldn't say there is 0 risk as their is the extremely low chance to have an anaphylatic response to any vaccine, which brings that risk ever so slightly about 0, but still is an extremely tiny risk

Neither of those are antivax sentiments. Yet everyone freaks out on him

thanks Im getting a bit heated but you put it more elegantly than I am at the moment.

I would like to have a civil conversation about your statement. I'm just curious if you have any sources to back up your opinion? I have been unfailingly polite and you have been nothing but rude. Would you mind showing me evidence of any negative thing any sea lion has ever done to you?

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

Politely attempting to spread misinformation is still attempting to spread misinformation. Shittier in fact because this "politeness" is a strategy.

please show where I have spread misinformation in this topic

Feline posted...

Ive been polite throughout this entire topic

antagonizing the populace however you're doing it. just that good.
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shockthemonkey posted...

lmao not seen that before thank you.

kingdrake2 posted...

antagonizing the populace however you're doing it. just that good.

This guy makes a better point than I could on your post: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79757448/959960112

Feline posted...

Like I have said multiple times I am double vaxxed and encourage all adults to get double vaxxed.

This. I think folks should get vaxxed for sure.

The point I'm making has to do with people response to Feline here.

In any subject, when someone is trying to gain knowledge about a topic they're undecided or uninformed about and one side comes at them screaming their opinions, REGARDLESS of how correct they are, the response from the person seeking knowledge usually isn't going to be to fall right into line with that person shouting at them.

My point is that over the entire vaccine discussion worldwide if people chose to educate and inform about vaccines in a more polite/respectful manner I think we'd have seen less push back from folks


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Bravo.

Feline posted...

why would I lie about being double vaxxed?

On one hand Im being accused of being anti vax and now Im being accused of the complete opposite

Why would you ask such dumb fuck questions?

The more people vaccinated leads to less people getting seriously sick and hospitals not being as clogged up as they are from unvaccinated mouth breathers. This isn't hard.


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Feline posted...

People shouldnt say there is no downsides then they should say very rare risk of a downside. Otherwise it comes across as trying to hide the truth. Like I said Im double vexed and encourage all adults to get double vaxxed.

There are no downsides. No downsides doesn't mean no risk. It means any and all risk is either unchanged at worst or mitigated at best.

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