Poll of the Day > Parent of child killed in Uvalde mass shooting says it's time to be political

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'Everyone keeps telling us that it's not the time to be political, but it is' said Kimberly Rubio, whose daughter was killed in Tuesday's mass shooting.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Uvalde-school-shooting-Robb-Elementary-victims-17206026.php

Are you guys who say it's not time to be political going to tell her otherwise?

Theres a lot of politicians that need to be held personally accountable for these deaths. They knew what would happen if they kept flooding the country with firearms and they didnt care as long as they got checks from the NRA and the gun lobbies.

Not later. Now. Texans should be showing up to their capital building and start dismantling it brick by brick.

The parent is coming from a place of inherent liberal bias.

These mass shootings seem more and more like dem recruitment tools

I'm not a fan of making things political to begin with. But ultimately it depends on what they want to use politics to do. If it's just a talking point that will be forgotten about as soon as elections are over, then no, I don't think it's time for that. If they want to make actual changes such as addressing how the warning signs on social media were ignored or how the shooter is being portrayed as a loner lacking any type of emotional support I'd like to hear how they plan to fix that.

Blightzkrieg posted...

The parent is coming from a place of inherent liberal bias.

These mass shootings seem more and more like dem recruitment tools

it should be telling if mass shootings continuing endlessly are telling you to lean towards policies of one party over the other.

Fam_Fam posted...

telling you to lean towards policies of one party over the other.

Can you explain how those policies will help in this situation?

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Can you explain how those policies will help in this situation?

Can you explain how common sense gun laws and better funding for all social services, education and additional funding for mental health support would not help these issues?

That seems to be working in every other first world country.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I'm not a fan of making things political to begin with. But ultimately it depends on what they want to use politics to do. If it's just a talking point that will be forgotten about as soon as elections are over, then no, I don't think it's time for that. If they want to make actual changes such as addressing how the warning signs on social media were ignored or how the shooter is being portrayed as a loner lacking any type of emotional support I'd like to hear how they plan to fix that.

They should only be allowed to do anything that doesnt involve guns. Guns are too political to do anything about, EVER.

Jen0125 posted...

Can you explain how common sense gun laws and better funding for all social services, education and additional funding for mental health support would not help these issues?

We already have common sense gun laws. Background checks and a national gun registry are already requirements to owning a gun. Social services, education, and mental health support failed in this case. According to articles on the shooter warning signs were ignored. The policies which are already enacted had no effect on the social isolation that motivated the shooter.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

We already have common sense gun laws. Social services, education, and mental health support failed in this case. According to articles on the shooter warning signs were ignored. The policies which are already enacted had no effect on the social isolation that motivated the shooter.

We do not have common sense gun laws.

We have inadequate funding for all the programs mentioned.

You didn't even address my question. You have failed successfully. Thank you for once again proving you love guns and death more than you love your neighbors and people you live around.

Jen0125 posted...

We do not have common sense gun laws.

We have inadequate funding for all the programs mentioned.

You didn't even address my question. You have failed successfully. Thank you for once again proving you love guns and death more than you love your neighbors and people you live around.

Instead of blowing a gasket, how about explaining where he is wrong instead of assuming and making lies about him?

sull56ivan2010 posted...

Instead of blowing a gasket, how about explaining where he is wrong instead of assuming and making lies about him?

Where did a gasket get blown? It's not my responsibility to reform you guys lmao. I'm not your mommy.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

We already have common sense gun laws. Background checks and a national gun registry are already requirements to owning a gun. Social services, education, and mental health support failed in this case. According to articles on the shooter warning signs were ignored. The policies which are already enacted had no effect on the social isolation that motivated the shooter.

If republicans gave a shit about dying kids they could stop trying to block any gun control legislation for years and wed have some laws that actually fucking work

Dont like that school shootings are political? Too fucking bad. Its a goddamn national emergency and politicians need to start being held accountable by the people. By any and all means necessary.

Jen0125 posted...

We do not have common sense gun laws.

What in your estimation is common sense?

Jen0125 posted...

We have inadequate funding for all the programs mentioned.

It doesn't matter how much funding these programs have if no one cares enough to get involved and guide the shooter to the programs that would have helped him.

VampireCoyote posted...

If republicans gave a shit about dying kids

I'm not convinced they do. Republicans are so feckless that they have no agenda of their own and all they know how to do is oppose the Democrats agenda.

Jen0125 posted...

Can you explain how common sense gun laws and better funding for all social services, education and additional funding for mental health support would not help these issues?

the other aspects you mentioned would have much more of an impact overall than basically any gun laws. more gun laws always gives more power to the system, the same system who have plenty of guns protecting them anyway (ironically) and to those who the system has already deemed dont have a right to help you. plus those who you dont want to have guns will end up getting them anyway, especially in the age of the internet and 3d printing or will turn to other methods which can have even more horrid results if they have to get creative. it doesnt stop the act, it just shifts it while keeping normal citizens at a constant disadvantage to everything.

you fight the problem by getting rid of the intent through the other options you mentioned. happy people who feel theres purpose in their life and can get help when they need it do not murder school children and those who are severely mentally compromised can be looked after properly.

Dark_Spiret posted...

it doesnt stop the act, it just shifts it while keeping normal citizens at a constant disadvantage to everything.

Ah yes, that huge disadvantage we normal citizens have here because of stricter gun-laws than the US... Just saying it does not make it true.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

What in your estimation is common sense?

Much different than yours, apparently.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

It doesn't matter how much funding these programs have if no one cares enough to get involved and guide the shooter to the programs that would have helped him.

They can't help everyone because they're woefully underfunded. It's crazy how that works.

Its impossible to stop the thing that the rest of the planet manages to stop really easily

Theres just no way

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/4/6/AAZslrAADSHm.jpg

VampireCoyote posted...

Its impossible to stop the thing that the rest of the planet manages to stop really easily

Theres just no way

There's literally no way

I'm afraid of immediate change. Let me slowly be desensitized.

My perspective is a bit skewed due to having been a teacher, but I think we need to hit this problem from multiple angles. First, yes, it should be harder to get firearms in this country, at least as hard as getting a drivers license. That is a huge political crapstorm though and there are too many people against it, and too many guns out there.

Meanwhile though, we need to fund out schools more, improve them, make more of them, and ensure they are secure with gates and guards. Classrooms need to stop being freaking mobile home units that can easily be broken into with no air conditioning or windows, and teachers need to have freaking assistants to allow them to teach instead of just focus on classroom management.

THAT everyone should be able to get behind. Heck, teachers should ALSO be paid more on top of that and be provided with classroom supplies etc. The entire school/education system needs to be revamped and made a priority. Security is certainly an important part of that, but it's only a part of how badly we are failing right now.

So yeah, deal with the gun issue (hopefully by working together and coming to a compromise both sides can live with), but while that battle (and it's always a battle sadly) is going on, focus on improving our education system and the lives of teachers everywhere.

And while I have been a teacher, I am not one now, nor will I be again more than likely, so it won't affect me directly. I have been one though and I know the struggle. I still have friends who are teachers who can't even rent an apartment due to the low pay they receive and the cost of medical insurance (and having a child).

It is LONG past time to make changes, and the recent shooting is just another example of how badly prepared we are, and how massively underfunded our education system is.

wolfy42 posted...

THAT everyone should be able to get behind.

Lmao do you live in America? I know you do but this is truly ignorant to our reality.

Jen0125 posted...

Lmao do you live in America? I know you do but this is truly ignorant to our reality.

Should doesn't mean would.

Jen0125 posted...

Lmao do you live in America? I know you do but this is truly ignorant to our reality.

Sadly I do, and I have considered moving elsewhere. You're right, people here can't get behind anything just about. Even the most common sense change somehow will have one side or the other use it as a political argument why the other side sucks etc. It's extremely frustrating. But yeah, I said should.....because .....well everyone SHOULD freaking be able to get behind that.

Will it happen, doubtful. But in no way at all is it logical that a majority of people in this country would not get behind improving our education system as it would benefit everyone, even those without kids.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

We already have common sense gun laws.

You fucking liar

i like guns

i have guns, i love shooting em

even in Illinois, with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, it's still so fucking incredibly easy to buy a gun and ammunition

an acquaintance of mine who has mental issues, who by all means should not be able to have a gun, was able to get a foid card and buy a gun

he's in prison now, for killing a dude

was watching a guy a couple days ago who started ranting about how much he hates it that everyone tries to make it political when "now is the time for mourning". I was liking his channel a bit before that.

Far-Queue posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/4/6/AAZslrAADSHm.jpg

I'm not 100% up to speed on the issue, but from what I've heard wasn't it even worse than that? more like "we're not going in there and neither are you".

Sahuagin posted...

I'm not 100% up to speed on the issue, but from what I've heard wasn't it even worse than that? more like "we're not going in there and neither are you".

Yea they pepper sprayed a parent willing to do something, then when they started going in they asked kids to yell and make themselves a target so they could find where the shooter was when he shot a girl who responded to the police.

They legitimately used the kids as bait to protect themselves. They deserve all of the shit they are getting and more.

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This makes me so mad. The kids are taught to trust the police and adults and do what they are told. They literally killed that poor kid. It's so horrible I can't even think about it.

Sahuagin posted...

I'm not 100% up to speed on the issue, but from what I've heard wasn't it even worse than that? more like "we're not going in there and neither are you".

That particular meme is directed at the dummies who say we should arm teachers, or hire armed veterans to protect school kids, as if that's at all a viable solution.

That's about as viable and sensible a solution as making it so that a school has only one entrance. Guess those 2A morons understand fire safety as well as they understand the gun violence epidemic in the US

Far-Queue posted...

That particular meme is directed at the dummies who say we should arm teachers

Why would I want to go into the classroom of a teacher who keeps a loaded gun in their classroom?

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Why would I want to go into the classroom of a teacher who keeps a loaded gun in their classroom?

Because America, man.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Why would I want to go into the classroom of a teacher who keeps a loaded gun in their classroom?

Well for those gung-ho 2A smoothbrains it boils down to "muh rights! muh freedumb!" and the fact that they piggyback their "argument" off of decades-old misinterpretation of the amendment in question

No, I mean that. If I knew a teacher was keeping a loaded gun in a classroom, I would not enter that classroom.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

No, I mean that. If I knew a teacher was keeping a loaded gun in a classroom, I would not enter that classroom.

Well golly gee that sounds like snowflake talk

BlackScythe0 posted...

then when they started going in they asked kids to yell and make themselves a target so they could find where the shooter was when he shot a girl who responded to the police.

Do they know which girl died because of this?

TomNook posted...

Do they know which girl died because of this?

Probably? I don't know who it is, I know I just read an interview with a kid who was hiding and said police were calling out for them to identify themselves if they needed help and he heard a girl call out and then heard the gunman go over to her and shoot her and the police stormed in to kill the shooter after they heard where his gunshot was coming from.

Jen0125 posted...

They can't help everyone because they're woefully underfunded. It's crazy how that works.

I'm not arguing their effectiveness. It seems that the shooter had no support structure in his life that would have lead him to seek out those services. The services could be super effective but that means nothing if the people who need them don't utilize them.

BlackScythe0 posted...

You fucking liar

Again I have to ask, what would you consider to be common sense? What change to the laws do you want? Everything I hear politicians calling for are things that were already being done.

We should be going after the manufacturers and retailers the way that the government cracked down on the tobacco industry in the 90s

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I'm not arguing their effectiveness. It seems that the shooter had no support structure in his life that would have lead him to seek out those services. The services could be super effective but that means nothing if the people who need them don't utilize them.

Don't you think better funding and higher capacity would allow for more.. Idk...ADVERTISEMENT? More availability??

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/1/4/AAFUswAADRyy.jpg

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

a national gun registry

That "national gun registry" is a handful of people manually looking up inconsistent, rarely-complete records on technology so obsolete I hadn't even heard about it until reading this article:
https://www.gq.com/story/inside-federal-bureau-of-way-too-many-guns

There is no proper national database of guns in the US. The NRA has fought tooth and nail to prevent the government from implementing anything remotely resembling the technology and manpower needed to effectively keep track of more guns than there are citizens, purely because the NRA (and the lobbyists funding it) doesn't want the government keeping track of guns.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Social services, education, and mental health support failed in this case.

Which means they need to be better. You know, the usual lesson provided by failure.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I'm not a fan of making things political to begin with.

Ultimately, "making things political" means "identifying a problem and trying to solve it." The alternative is ignoring the problem and not trying to solve it, which is generally a really stupid idea.

"I don't want to get political" means "I'm okay with the status quo and don't want to have to think about why that is." At best, that's escapism. At worst, it's an active defense of something you know is very seriously hurting other people, while hiding behind an utterly disgusting veil of "you're the problem for wanting to change it." No part of that spectrum is a good thing so don't do that. If you don't like a proposed political change, grow a pair and challenge it directly.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I'm not arguing their effectiveness. It seems that the shooter had no support structure in his life that would have lead him to seek out those services. The services could be super effective but that means nothing if the people who need them don't utilize them.

Part of having effective support services entails making sure they get to the people that need them. The question of access can be safely assumed to be tacitly included whenever people talk about improving such services.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Again I have to ask, what would you consider to be common sense?

• Mandatory comprehensive background check, recent mental health evaluation, and safety course for every gun purchase, with fines and/or jail time and immediate revocation of all owned guns from anyone found to be violating this requirement (both seller and buyer). If the background check reveals anything related to domestic violence or cruelty to animals, suspend the purchase until the buyer completes and is cleared by a suitable therapy program to eliminate that risk factor
• Mandatory 2-week (or thereabouts) waiting period on all gun purchases
• A proper, computerized gun registry, with a unified, consistent system for indicating serial numbers for all new guns produced (complete with re-numbering existing, older guns if needed to be compliant with the new standard)
• All owned guns are to be stored securely when not in use (with rigorous standards for "securely" that don't mean "a kid can get in with a paper clip and 15 seconds on Youtube"). All ammo is also to be stored similarly securely, separately. The gun owner is held responsible for any and all negligence or criminal activity conducted with their guns while they are unsecured, unless they have reported them stolen (with a suitable grace period).

All of which are already enacted in plenty of other countries that see far lower rates of gun violence and mass shootings than the US, so it's not like there's no precedent for any of this. Those indoctrinated by the NRA's propaganda just lose their minds whenever the prospect of limiting their guns at all comes up.

@SKARDAVNELNATE ya been old school adjld

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTd7xWUWn/?k=1

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/7/0/AAFUswAADSMq.jpg

Jen0125 posted...

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTd7xWUWn/?k=1

That made me cry.

So horrible.

:(

"it's actually about mental health"

*defunds all the fucking psych hospitals*

"why is this happening?"