Current Events > Transphobes take a hard loss in one of their key arguing points.

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CyricZ
12/13/22 5:27:58 PM
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https://news.yahoo.com/cambridge-dictionary-adds-trans-inclusive-002837474.html

Cambridge Dictionary has updated their definitions of "man" and "woman" to include those who identify.

An adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth

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Doe
12/13/22 5:28:45 PM
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That's just proof to them that institutions are infiltrated by woke cultural marxists.

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Anteaterking
12/13/22 5:31:04 PM
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Seems like a clunky way of defining it.

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Mr_hulk88
12/13/22 5:33:32 PM
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How does this work, if for example someone makes a 911 call to report some urgency, say "i just saw a man kidnap a girl and get into a van"

If you don't know what that man identifies as, are you possibly missgendering him and the girl?
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Gwynevere
12/13/22 5:35:44 PM
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Unfathomably based cambridge dictionary

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gunplagirl
12/13/22 5:35:52 PM
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Mr_hulk88 posted...
How does this work, if for example someone makes a 911 call to report some urgency, say "i just saw a man kidnap a girl and get into a van"

If you don't know what that man identifies as, are you possibly missgendering him and the girl?
I bet I know what the 88 in your username stands for

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Mr_hulk88
12/13/22 5:38:08 PM
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Well it doesn't stand for anything actually, neither does the name, since I hate the Hulk and the Avengers.

Anyway...
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mech_dragon
12/13/22 5:39:19 PM
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Merriam-Webster did something similiar earlier and was met with bomb threat:
https://www.newsweek.com/man-threatens-merriam-webster-violence-definition-female-da-1700326

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Anteaterking
12/13/22 5:39:37 PM
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Mr_hulk88 posted...
Well it doesn't stand for anything actually

Man you picked the wrong "random" 2 digits if it doesn't even stand for the year you were born.

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Mr_hulk88
12/13/22 5:45:01 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
Man you picked the wrong "random" 2 digits if it doesn't even stand for the year you were born.

I had to google what that "stands for" right now . Wow people really read too much into things.

If you must know I literally copied the full username from the chat of a Youtube live I was watching at the moment I made the account here, since I initially made it to just ask one question I wanted to ask, didn't intend for a well thought username. It was made on a whim and completely random.
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superman_2000
12/13/22 5:45:11 PM
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That's like saying Biden detractors take a hard loss when it comes to discussing recession because he redefined the word. All this proves is that definitions are sometimes updated for arbitrary reasons, but it doesn't address the meat of the matter.

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trappedunderice
12/13/22 5:45:17 PM
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What is a circular definition
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Doe
12/13/22 5:46:34 PM
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Mr_hulk88 posted...
Well it doesn't stand for anything actually, neither does the name, since I hate the Hulk and the Avengers.

Anyway...
you had a chance to say it's hulk hogan's initials lol

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frozenstar
12/13/22 5:47:16 PM
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This isnt as big of a hit as I was expecting and leave disappointed.

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Etna
12/13/22 5:47:54 PM
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Hasn't gender always been just a title?

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crazygamer21
12/13/22 5:51:19 PM
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Based dictionary

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VampireCoyote
12/13/22 6:00:39 PM
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Mr_hulk88 posted...
I had to google what that "stands for" right now . Wow people really read too much into things.

If you must know I literally copied the full username from the chat of a Youtube live I was watching at the moment I made the account here, since I initially made it to just ask one question I wanted to ask, didn't intend for a well thought username. It was made on a whim and completely random.

lmao you should probably go lie down

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Mr_hulk88
12/13/22 6:02:18 PM
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Stretch this much? It's only one example representing pretty much any day to day life scenario, and the reason for which many people might be opposing it, and responses like yours are the reason they probably still do. When you immediately resort to hostility (personal attacks or shutting up) a simple question.

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Mr_hulk88
12/13/22 6:03:07 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
lmao you should probably go lie down
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DocileOrangeCup
12/13/22 6:03:10 PM
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Yo deebo man that's a female!

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VampireCoyote
12/13/22 6:04:25 PM
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Mr_hulk88 posted...
Stretch this much? It's only one example representing pretty much any day to day life scenario, and the reason for which many people might be opposing it, and responses like yours are the reason they probably still do. When you immediately resort to hostility (personal attacks or shutting up) a simple question.

so one of your worst case hypothetical situations that you yourself brought to the table is that someone might accidentally describe someone as the wrong gender in an emergency

i would like to hear what you lose you can come up with pls

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VampireCoyote
12/13/22 6:05:56 PM
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Mr_hulk88 posted...
?

just dont want you passing out

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Mr_hulk88
12/13/22 6:11:54 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
so one of your worst case hypothetical situations that you yourself brought to the table is that someone might accidentally describe someone as the wrong gender in an emergency

i would like to hear what you lose you can come up with pls

It's not about the scenario. It's one example that ilustrates why some people object to the notion of defining gender based on what a person identifies as given that it only works in a personal or direct situation. Like aplying it among people you are relating with. But how does it work outside of that?

I'm the one who asked the question by the way, but again, not interested in personal attacks at all so if that's the only answer you can come up then more like you can shut up.
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Mr_hulk88
12/13/22 6:12:38 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
just dont want you passing out

" ? " is still the answer here
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VampireCoyote
12/13/22 6:13:18 PM
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Mr_hulk88 posted...
I'm the one who asked the question by the way

should tell you something

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Mr_hulk88
12/13/22 6:13:31 PM
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I didn't say I opposed it mr monkey.

Don't put words in my mouth.
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Mr_hulk88
12/13/22 6:17:08 PM
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Absolutely none of what you said is either what I said, nor the takeaway of the point.

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MarcyWarcy
12/13/22 6:18:07 PM
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Blade_Trinity posted...
Couldn't care less what's in a dictionary.


are you grouping yourself with the transphobes that the op says is taking an L
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Naysaspace
12/13/22 6:18:26 PM
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This peterson-esque "aha! Gotcha!" Argumentative style does no good for anyone. It acts to divide rather than understand and unite.
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VampireCoyote
12/13/22 6:20:37 PM
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Naysaspace posted...
This peterson-esque "aha! Gotcha!" Argumentative style does no good for anyone. It acts to divide rather than understand and unite.

luckily posts like this are obnoxious towards all

great unifiers

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Mr_hulk88
12/13/22 6:21:00 PM
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You're certainly not proof of that.

Again, I gave one example that ilustrates why some people object to the notion of defining gender based on what a person identifies as given that it only works in a personal or direct situation. Like aplying it among people you are relating with. But how does it work outside of that?

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FatAnimeBooty
12/13/22 6:22:18 PM
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Mr_hulk88 posted...
How does this work, if for example someone makes a 911 call to report some urgency, say "i just saw a man kidnap a girl and get into a van"

If you don't know what that man identifies as, are you possibly missgendering him and the girl?
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Mr_hulk88
12/13/22 6:24:17 PM
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Naysaspace posted...
This peterson-esque "aha! Gotcha!" Argumentative style does no good for anyone. It acts to divide rather than understand and unite.

I think the defensiveness is what's divisive and categorizing anything that sounds opposing to you as a gotcha attempt.

The discussion forum is for discussing, if you don't intend for that then why make threads ?
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Philip027
12/13/22 6:24:35 PM
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Mr_hulk88 posted...
How does this work, if for example someone makes a 911 call to report some urgency, say "i just saw a man kidnap a girl and get into a van"

If you don't know what that man identifies as, are you possibly missgendering him and the girl?

Yes, you would be.

Accidental/incidental misgendering isn't the same thing as malicious misgendering.

You're welcome.

Also, worth pointing out that even in a society of 100% cis people, you could still misgender someone. Sometimes perceptions will be wrong. It happens.
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Mr_hulk88
12/13/22 6:26:36 PM
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Blatantly lying about what?
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cuttin_in_farm
12/13/22 6:28:48 PM
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I thought female/male and sex was biological.

The dictionary seems to be conflating gender with sex?

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Mr_hulk88
12/13/22 6:30:59 PM
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Philip027 posted...
Yes, you would be.

Accidental/incidental misgendering isn't the same thing as malicious misgendering.

You're welcome.

Exactly.

And that's essensially why many people object to it. The idea that you can only correctly gender someone if you are speaking with the person which is the point I was making.

You're welcome.
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GreenMario
12/13/22 6:47:07 PM
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Mr_hulk88 posted...
Exactly.

And that's essensially why many people object to it. The idea that you can only correctly gender someone if you are speaking with the person which is the point I was making.

You're welcome.
You do realize thar no rational person is assuming people will never misgender someone by mistake. The entire concept of respecting pronouns and the like just means "Don't be an asshole, call people what they tell you they want to be called".

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Kakapo
12/13/22 6:47:50 PM
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GreenMario posted...
You do realize thar no rational person is assuming people will never misgender someone by mistake. The entire concept of respecting pronouns and the like just means "Don't be an asshole, call people what they tell you they want to be called".

From some people, basic respect is too much to ask.

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