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Two of the worst people

.Bill Maher shitting on young people.

Why is this his entire personality now

Why would anyone want to waste their time on that

Thoughts?

Plays to his base

Who is his base? Conservatives don't like him, liberals don't like him, centrists have better options. Who?

Who is his base? Conservatives don't like him, liberals don't like him, centrists have better options. Who?

Maher's base, to the extent that he has one, is people like him: middle aged people who want to think of themselves and be viewed as "good liberals" but don't want the responsibility of engaging or identifying with current social movements that seek to apply the stated principles of "good liberals." The cultural cachet of left wing movements disconcerts them because they were at one point comfortable as the most progressive person in a given room, with all the social points that scored them, and now find that status challenged.

Maher's base, to the extent that he has one, is people like him: middle aged people who want to think of themselves and be viewed as "good liberals" but don't want the responsibility of engaging or identifying with current social movements that seek to apply the stated principles of "good liberals." The cultural cachet of left wing movements disconcerts them because they were at one point comfortable as the most progressive person in a given room, with all the social points that scored them, and now find that status challenged.

I'd say it's more like "classical liberals who are willing to call out the left, and don't sign on to the excesses of some of the woke nonsense."

Which is similar to what you are saying, but stated in a more charitable (and I think more accurate) way.

Besides the parts of the left that he pushes back against often aren't being "progressive", those parts sometimes oppose free speech, and reject certain things that defined progressivism up until like the last few years.

I think somebody like Bill is being a lot more intelligent and close to reality than anybody who subscribes to "Democrats can do no wrong." Which is not what I'm saying people here are necessarily arguing, but seems close to what is coming up in criticisms of Bill.

Thoughts?

Bill Maher is a stupid piece of shit masquerading as a concerned liberal who thinks "woke" has gone too far. Fuck him and anyone like him. He might as well be an out far-right nutcase if he's going to enable them.

How is he enabling the far-right?

I'd say it's more like "classical liberals who are willing to call out the left, and don't sign on to the excesses of some of the woke nonsense."

Which is similar to what you are saying, but stated in a more charitable (and I think more accurate) way.

Besides the parts of the left that he pushes back against often aren't being "progressive", those parts sometimes oppose free speech, and reject certain things that defined progressivism up until like the last few years.

I think somebody like Bill is being a lot more intelligent and close to reality than anybody who subscribes to "Democrats can do no wrong." Which is not what I'm saying people here are necessarily arguing, but seems close to what is coming up in criticisms of Bill.

You would be correct in your assessment.

By constantly complaining about how far "woke" has gone, which spreads the culture war bullshit that the far-right invented to justify oppressing and killing minorities. Anyone who disagrees with me is quite literally my enemy and a threat to every fiber of my being. At least the fascists give me the courtesy of not pretending to be anything else.

I think somebody like Bill is being a lot more intelligent and close to reality than anybody who subscribes to "Democrats can do no wrong." Which is not what I'm saying people here are necessarily arguing, but seems close to what is coming up in criticisms of Bill.

classical liberals

Democrats do wrong all the time, but Maher's criticisms are much more pointed towards college students than to those who have power in the party.

"Classical liberals" are just libertarians. They are right-wing.

Classical liberalism is a political tradition and a branch of liberalism that advocates free market and laissez-faire economics; civil liberties under the rule of law with special emphasis on individual autonomy, limited government, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom of speech

How is he enabling the far-right?

Well, to give one example, he had Elon Musk on to discuss the "woke mind virus"

Ya I was trying to figure that out also