Current Events > Your reaction: Your daughter is a superb lawyer who gets sex pests off the hook.

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Your daughter was a force to be reckoned with as a student getting As in everything, growing into an incredible orator and passing the bar before she even got a law degree.

She becomes a high end defense attorney who specializes in sexual crimes. Your Bill Cosbys, Jeffrey Epsteins, Donald Trumps, Rolf Harris', Chris Browns etc and a whole cavalcade of non famous wealthy sexial deviants of the same ilk.

Her silver tongue makes even the most seasoned prosecuters and trained witnesses mumble in confusion like Joe Biden. Her understanding of US Law and the mastery of the US Legal system makes Chuck McGill look like Barret Wallace. (Even if you're not in the US, she became a defense lawyer in the US)

Time after time after time the worst of the worst who are clearly guilty as sin in the court of public opinion get off scott free, not guilty/not liable because your daughter casts enough doubt on the evidence, the victim, the statute, the police work, the letter of the law. With enough brilliant unanticipated vocal volleys and legal loopholes to impress the Sheliak Corporate.

She's proud of her work saying she's just doing her job to achieve the best she possibily can for her cilents inside the law. She's earning in the high 8 figures every year and is constantly sought after in both civil and criminal cases from the most detestable wealthy perverts.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/994823a3.jpg

As a parent how would you react?
What would you do?

I'd stop sending her birthday cards.

Vampire_Chicken posted...

I'd stop sending her birthday cards.

Good. They're bad for the enviroment.

This pained me to read

As long as she's getting paid, it's all good by me.

That's no daughter of mine.

Must've inherited her talent from someone else but otherwise yeah that's my daughter all right. I'm proud of her, she is a villain just like me.

I would be terribly ashamed. It would be on the same level of having a child who's a fantastic chemist and they use their skills to create a faster, cheaper way of making meth. Then they're proud of being able to get meth in the hands of so many more people. They might end up disowned, especially being proud of getting known rapists and shitbags out of trouble. Both would be garbage people in my eyes and I would not want anyone to know they were mine.

I have no problem with a lawyer doing their utmost for a client. There are ruthless, politically-driven prosecutors, corrupt police officers, and many innocent people rotting in prison. Yet somehow we want defence lawyers to half-arse their job because they reckon their client is guilty?

I don't think so. The system demands that the defence does their best in accordance with the law and professional ethics, not collude in satisfying the 'court of public opinion'.

However, I would encourage her to do pro bono work, so that the less fortunate accused could benefit from her skills.

ai123 posted...

I have no problem with a lawyer doing their utmost for a client. There are ruthless, politically-driven prosecutors, corrupt police officers, and many innocent people rotting in prison. Yet somehow we want defence lawyers to half-arse their job because they reckon their client is guilty?

This always bugs me. Every single TV show portrays defense lawyers this way.

UnfairRepresent posted...

She's earning in the high 8 figures every year and is constantly sought after in both civil and criminal cases from the most detestable wealthy perverts.

I'd encourage her to raise her rates. If she's going to cater to wealthy clients and help them avoid jail, see to it that they are just as financially bankrupt as they are morally bankrupt.

I would try to encourage her to not take EVERY high profile rich guy sex offender case that walks in her door, someone HAS to defend these guys, but SHE doesn't have to defend ALL these guys.

I would encourage her to donate some of the money from those cases to worthy causes.

And I would encourage her to take on a more diverse client set particularly clients who can't afford a good attorney.

But at the end of the day, she is an adult, she is a lawyer, she has to make her own decisions.

darkmaian23 posted...

This always bugs me. Every single TV show portrays defense lawyers this way.

Watch "The Practice" (BTW the best Law ever made, Boston Legal a much dumber show was spun off from it and because it was stupid, it became way more popular).

The Practice was about a small Criminal Defense Law firm, and the premise is they did whatever it took to get their clients off and treated that as 'noble' because the only way to assure the police and prosecutors ONLY convicted the guilty is to give every defendant a zealous defense.

It often dealt with the moral weight it put on the defense attorneys, but it highlighted the importance of their role in a functioning legal system. Seriously best law show ever, tragically underrated.

Most legal shows are no better than propaganda.

The police and prosecutors always 'know' when the 'scumbag' is guilty, and their use of every trick and manipulation of process (lies, threats, even violence) is smart and righteous. Meanwhile, whatever the accused does is 'slimy', 'taking advantage of a broken system', and corrupt.

Get fed that since the 50s, and no wonder everyone thinks that providing a legal defence is somehow morally reprehensible.

ai123 posted...

Most legal shows are no better than propaganda.

The police and prosecutors always 'know' when the 'scumbag' is guilty, and their use of every trick and manipulation of process (lies, threats, even violence) is smart and righteous. Meanwhile, whatever the accused does is 'slimy', 'taking advantage of a broken system', and corrupt.

Get fed that since the 50s, and no wonder everyone thinks that providing a legal defence is somehow morally reprehensible.

Damn OJ, chill.

UnfairRepresent posted...

mumble in confusion like Joe Biden.

Voting Trump?

ai123 posted...

Most legal shows are no better than propaganda.

The police and prosecutors always 'know' when the 'scumbag' is guilty

Also, the idea that someone guilty of a crime is a "scumbag" itself is a misconception via the uneducated court of public opinion.

As someone who's spent the past year and a half in constant contact with convicted felons (some out of prison, others who received suspended sentences), it's infuriating that people think they are card carrying villains with zero self-awareness. Heck, one of them has recently started a government-funded rehabilitation program, which arguably makes them more useful to society than half the useless fascist fucks who watch the news and say "good, one more asshole off to prison, hopefully they toss away the key" and probably most people reading this post.

This shit needs to be taught in school. Criminal behaviour is not a result of people being "lost cause evil monsters." Mental health issues are not cause for throwing a person in the trash. I'd love to see the response such people would give were one of their own family to find themselves in trouble. We'd be seeing a lot of "wait, this isn't my brother, he's not like this!" cards being played.

hmnut7 posted...

It often dealt with the moral weight it put on the defense attorneys, but it highlighted the importance of their role in a functioning legal system. Seriously best law show ever

Better than Better Call Saul?

How does my wife look like?

This is always a dumb thing that media, especially film and TV put into people's heads...

Everyone is entitled to a solid legal defense. If not for those "scummy lawyers" we would see people getting railroaded into sentences because they seemed guilty or have public sentiment against them. It's not a perfect system and sometimes the guilty go free, but it's just as important that the innocent don't get put away while the guilty are still out there.

Sounds like she's foraging evidence

I disown her and never speak to her again.

I'll disown her as well

UnfairRepresent posted...

Better than Better Call Saul?

I have not seen Better Call Saul, so I will not say it is better or worse.

But regardless, the Practice is an amazing law show, especially when talking about stuff like this. From what I remember of Breaking Bad Saul IS a scummy lawyer protecting scummy clients, he is the stereotype of ambulance chancers and corrupt lawyers basically helping their clients BREAK the law.

The Practice the lawyers are doing it but to protect the rights of everyone, not saying they are white knights, but they put the idea of what Defense Attorneys do in a more positive light.

Aw screw it, if you've got two minutes watch this scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XOVq2zKRpA

It's good but not even the best/my favorite on how the show champions that it's important EVERYONE has a good lawyer. even the worst criminal scum in the country are entitled to a zealous defense.

Dude you really need to check out Better Call Saul

Even the opening scene does a great job at demonstrating the morality play of public defenders

Here's another thought-provoking clip from The Practice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGfFeK58qGo

Kajagogo posted...

Here's another thought-provoking clip from The Practice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGfFeK58qGo

That was great.

Could not agree with him more.

ai123 posted...

That was great.

Could not agree with him more.

Same. We're just so kill/revenge happy in this country anymore. It's sickening.

I wanna make a joke, but I would get modded. (And probably deserve it.)

On a more rational level I understand that the defense attorneys for these lowlives are doing their job, I don't think it makes them inherently evil, they're just trying to keep money on the table (and some dumb fuckers must make their lives hard, ignoring them, being a dick to everyone else, running away...). These folk aren't (usually) vehemently against the victim, they're just trying to make a living and unfortunately it's sometimes defending horrible people.

On an emotional level though, it does make me incredibly uncomfortable. Maybe they're not allowed to reject a case once they realise their client's guilt, maybe they realise they're a monster and for whatever reason they can't do anything else but their job. But it is kinda upsetting to think about. If someone had a habit of getting nonces that have clear evidence stacked against them off the hook, I'd have a hard time being around them.

These guys are always at risk of reoffending and if my daughter getting someone off the hook meant they ended up harming more people, I might struggle to talk to her anymore.

Just because someone doesnt go to prison doesnt mean they are off the hook. There is a huge amount of wiggle room between going to prison and just walking out of the court room no questions asked.

Why is Momo my daughter?

Everyone should have access to a lawyer that will do their level best for their clients within the constraints of the law. Innocent OR guilty. It's the only way the system can (ever hope to) work. The problem would lie not with my daughter being a damn good lawyer, but with the way the system is set up. I'd be mad at that. I'd want that to change.

WingsOfGood posted...

Voting Trump?

I like that you skipped past Trump being listed as a sex pest to say this

I feel like with the included pic this topic had a different path it was meant to go down.

Sex pest is a pretty underwhelming nickname for that type of crime to be honest.

Trepan posted...

Sex pest is a pretty underwhelming nickname for that type of crime to be honest.

what would you call it?

And he was never seen again

Damn. That sounds rough.