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Superlinkbro
09/10/18 9:55:49 PM
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https://wqad.com/2018/09/10/north-scott-junior-high-student-charged-with-attempted-murder-appears-in-court/

The North Scott Junior High School student charged with attempted murder appeared in court Monday, September 10 for a pre-hearing.

The 12-year-old, along with his parents and an attorney, were the only ones allowed in the courtroom. The public was not allowed in.

The student's next court date was set for Monday, October 1. That's when it will be decided whether or not he will be charged as an adult.


Crazy shit.
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Irony
09/10/18 10:02:11 PM
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20 years please
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blablablax17
09/10/18 10:05:00 PM
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I agree with throwing the book at kids.
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refmon
09/10/18 10:06:06 PM
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What if he just wanted to show the gun off to his friends?
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NeonOctopus
09/10/18 10:06:57 PM
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Superlinkbro
09/10/18 10:08:32 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
What did he do?

He brought a gun to school to shoot a teacher but failed because the safety was still on
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NeonOctopus
09/10/18 10:13:50 PM
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Superlinkbro posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
What did he do?

He brought a gun to school to shoot a teacher but failed because the safety was still on

WTF
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Phantom_Nook
09/10/18 10:14:32 PM
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Superlinkbro posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
What did he do?

He brought a gun to school to shoot a teacher but failed because the safety was still on

kay yeah, try him as an adult
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kingdrake2
09/10/18 10:19:18 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
Superlinkbro posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
What did he do?

He brought a gun to school to shoot a teacher but failed because the safety was still on

kay yeah, try him as an adult


agreed. i was on the fence on the decision until i saw the reasoning.
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NeonOctopus
09/10/18 10:32:06 PM
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Learning
09/13/18 5:20:32 AM
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Superlinkbro posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
What did he do?

He brought a gun to school to shoot a teacher but failed because the safety was still on


Yikes
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SaithSayer
09/13/18 5:21:33 AM
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I get charging 15 year olds as adults sometimes...but 12?

What's next? Charging an 8 year old as an adult? Why have any separate laws for children if we're going to ignore them?
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Mr_Karate_II
09/13/18 5:21:50 AM
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He should be tried as an adult and get the maximum sentence available.
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Learning
09/13/18 5:24:18 AM
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SaithSayer posted...
I get charging 15 year olds as adults sometimes...but 12?

What's next? Charging an 8 year old as an adult? Why have any separate laws for children if we're going to ignore them?


It's almost like it's not a black-and-white concept where it's either all or nothing.
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Rika_Furude
09/13/18 5:24:45 AM
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12 is old enough to know right from wrong. if he doesn't know by now that murder is bad, he never will. theres no reason not to charge him as an adult.
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Mr_Karate_II
09/13/18 5:26:17 AM
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Even at 8 years old you start to know right from wrong.
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solosnake
09/13/18 5:30:39 AM
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The danger is even if you try him as an adult who is really gonna convict him as one?

Then you instill the idea of "beating the system" in the kids head and you have really done more harm than good at that point
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knutjob
09/13/18 5:36:23 AM
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You're ability to tell right from wrong objectively hasn't even close to fully developed by 12 years old. That's a fact. Anything contrary is an emotionally driven argument and should be discarded
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Mr_Karate_II
09/13/18 5:38:18 AM
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You can't tell me a 12 year old doesn't know thinking about killing another person is wrong.
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knutjob
09/13/18 5:39:34 AM
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Not in the same way an adult does
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Learning
09/13/18 5:39:42 AM
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knutjob posted...
You're ability to tell right from wrong objectively hasn't even close to fully developed by 12 years old. That's a fact. Anything contrary is an emotionally driven argument and should be discarded


Pretty sure 12 year olds know that bringing guns to school is a bit of a no-no.
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pogo_rabid
09/13/18 5:41:57 AM
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knutjob posted...
You're ability to tell right from wrong objectively hasn't even close to fully developed by 12 years old. That's a fact. Anything contrary is an emotionally driven argument and should be discarded


"anyone who disagrees with my apologist opinion on an attempted murderer is wrong".
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Rika_Furude
09/13/18 5:49:44 AM
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it was still a premeditated, intentional, planned murder attempt. it may have been luck that stopped him from actually killing anyone, but hes no different from a murderer.
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knutjob
09/13/18 5:50:16 AM
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pogo_rabid posted...
knutjob posted...
You're ability to tell right from wrong objectively hasn't even close to fully developed by 12 years old. That's a fact. Anything contrary is an emotionally driven argument and should be discarded


"anyone who disagrees with my apologist opinion on an attempted murderer is wrong".


Not apologising for him. He should be tried as a child. Because he is a child.
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knutjob
09/13/18 5:50:47 AM
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Learning posted...
knutjob posted...
You're ability to tell right from wrong objectively hasn't even close to fully developed by 12 years old. That's a fact. Anything contrary is an emotionally driven argument and should be discarded


Pretty sure 12 year olds know that bringing guns to school is a bit of a no-no.


Not in the same way an adult does.
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Learning
09/13/18 5:51:45 AM
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With that said I'm inclined to believe that it may be more ideal to rehabilitate the kid (since he didn't succeed) than just lock him away until he's in his 30s
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Mr_Karate_II
09/13/18 5:53:42 AM
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knutjob posted...
Learning posted...
knutjob posted...
You're ability to tell right from wrong objectively hasn't even close to fully developed by 12 years old. That's a fact. Anything contrary is an emotionally driven argument and should be discarded


Pretty sure 12 year olds know that bringing guns to school is a bit of a no-no.


Not in the same way an adult does.

Bullshit
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Learning
09/13/18 5:55:45 AM
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knutjob posted...
Learning posted...
knutjob posted...
You're ability to tell right from wrong objectively hasn't even close to fully developed by 12 years old. That's a fact. Anything contrary is an emotionally driven argument and should be discarded


Pretty sure 12 year olds know that bringing guns to school is a bit of a no-no.


Not in the same way an adult does.


This is a moot point

They don't need to know the complications behind killing someone to know that killing and bringing guns to school is wrong

Trying to argue that he didn't know what he was doing is just borderline foolish
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knutjob
09/13/18 5:56:26 AM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
knutjob posted...
Learning posted...
knutjob posted...
You're ability to tell right from wrong objectively hasn't even close to fully developed by 12 years old. That's a fact. Anything contrary is an emotionally driven argument and should be discarded


Pretty sure 12 year olds know that bringing guns to school is a bit of a no-no.


Not in the same way an adult does.

Bullshit


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knutjob
09/13/18 5:57:58 AM
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Learning posted...
knutjob posted...
Learning posted...
knutjob posted...
You're ability to tell right from wrong objectively hasn't even close to fully developed by 12 years old. That's a fact. Anything contrary is an emotionally driven argument and should be discarded


Pretty sure 12 year olds know that bringing guns to school is a bit of a no-no.


Not in the same way an adult does.


This is a moot point

They don't need to know the complications behind killing someone to know that killing and bringing guns to school is wrong

Trying to argue that he didn't know what he was doing is just borderline foolish


Then you think distinctions between childhood and adulthood are outdated?
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Caution999
09/13/18 5:58:43 AM
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Learning posted...
With that said I'm inclined to believe that it may be more ideal to rehabilitate the kid (since he didn't succeed) than just lock him away until he's in his 30s


Exactly. Hes still young enough to learn from this and they can get him help.
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Learning
09/13/18 6:00:50 AM
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No, that's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that kids instinctively know that killing/dying is bad. You can't rid a 12 year old of accountability for every single crime just because they're 12.
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Caution999
09/13/18 6:03:21 AM
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Oh he absolutely should know better and knew it was wrong.

I just think we shouldnt waste his life. Hes still impressionable. Hes young enough where we can teach him to be a better person
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knutjob
09/13/18 6:03:25 AM
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Learning posted...
No, that's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that kids instinctively know that killing/dying is bad. You can't rid a 12 year old of accountability for every single crime just because they're 12.


I'm not. He should be held accountable as a child. Because he is a child.

Also citation needed for all children instinctively know killing is wrong.
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ToiletDuck64
09/15/18 6:36:02 AM
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How did the 12-year-old get the gun in the first place? This is important.
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Rika_Furude
09/15/18 8:03:27 AM
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ToiletDuck64 posted...
How did the 12-year-old get the gun in the first place? This is important.

He lives in america, he could have just bought it at wallmart, took his parents gun or stole one from his teacher
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visualboy2003
09/15/18 8:12:09 AM
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yes, he knew killinq is wronq and still do it that showed that he miqht have a qood cause that make him to do it.....that's how kid's mind are nowadays mostly, can't take piss like a man, so the proper punishment for him is to take some anqer manaqement class or some social worker to talk with him to help him to ease his mind, and hopefully when he qrew up, he would be a better productive person.
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LastTomorrow
09/15/18 8:21:29 AM
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What did the teacher do to make him mad?
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visualboy2003
09/15/18 8:22:56 AM
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probably talk down on him a little and hurted his mood. he probably has a qreat sexual drive.
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Alucard188
09/15/18 8:24:04 AM
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knutjob posted...
You're ability to tell right from wrong objectively hasn't even close to fully developed by 12 years old. That's a fact. Anything contrary is an emotionally driven argument and should be discarded


I'm fairly sure that I knew murder was bad when I was 12 years old.
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myzz7
09/15/18 8:27:33 AM
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puberty is the adult or not adult line

12 yr old boy is definitely not adult and should not be tried like one.
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visualboy2003
09/15/18 8:28:36 AM
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Alucard188 posted...
knutjob posted...
You're ability to tell right from wrong objectively hasn't even close to fully developed by 12 years old. That's a fact. Anything contrary is an emotionally driven argument and should be discarded


I'm fairly sure that I knew murder was bad when I was 12 years old.

hey, how do you have an account that 's before 2000. this site isn't even here yet that period.
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YukihoHagiwara
09/15/18 8:29:01 AM
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that teacher was solid snake
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visualboy2003
09/15/18 8:31:20 AM
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even some men can't take piss and would do these kinds of thinqs, too.
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QassTank
09/15/18 8:34:43 AM
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visualboy2003 posted...
Alucard188 posted...
knutjob posted...
You're ability to tell right from wrong objectively hasn't even close to fully developed by 12 years old. That's a fact. Anything contrary is an emotionally driven argument and should be discarded


I'm fairly sure that I knew murder was bad when I was 12 years old.

hey, how do you have an account that 's before 2000. this site isn't even here yet that period.

Uhh... Yes it was... The site celebrated 20 years in 2015... Meaning 1995 was when the site was founded... <_<

Also, I'm on the fence about charging as an adult. Yes a 12 year old should know better, but their reasoning skills aren't fully developed at that age, and emotional states can play a major part in how they act.
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visualboy2003
09/15/18 8:36:22 AM
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oh, sorry.
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visualboy2003
09/15/18 8:37:35 AM
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QassTank posted...
visualboy2003 posted...
Alucard188 posted...
knutjob posted...
You're ability to tell right from wrong objectively hasn't even close to fully developed by 12 years old. That's a fact. Anything contrary is an emotionally driven argument and should be discarded


I'm fairly sure that I knew murder was bad when I was 12 years old.

hey, how do you have an account that 's before 2000. this site isn't even here yet that period.

Uhh... Yes it was... The site celebrated 20 years in 2015... Meaning 1995 was when the site was founded... <_<

Also, I'm on the fence about charging as an adult. Yes a 12 year old should know better, but their reasoning skills aren't fully developed at that age, and emotional states can play a major part in how they act.

yes, some 12 would use their emotions much more than reasoninq.
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_OujiDoza_
09/15/18 8:39:17 AM
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Y'all talking as if juvenile detention centers are summer camps or something....

That kid is fucked either way so why argue semantics? He is a child so he should be tried as one regardless but to think he can't be reformed at his young age is asinine, just the same the system is likely gonna swallow him whole no matter what.
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SaithSayer
09/15/18 1:05:40 PM
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_OujiDoza_ posted...
Y'all talking as if juvenile detention centers are summer camps or something....

That kid is fucked either way so why argue semantics? He is a child so he should be tried as one regardless but to think he can't be reformed at his young age is asinine, just the same the system is likely gonna swallow him whole no matter what.

America is all about judgement and punishment rather than understanding, rehabilitation and compassion.

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Rika_Furude
09/16/18 12:11:46 AM
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punishment is an important part of prevention and rehabilitation
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