Poll of the Day > Fuck Glocks

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Fucking internal striker safetyless plastic toy pieces of shit. You couldn't pay to me to carry one of those shitty guns. When you hear about a negligent discharge during unholstering or reholstering and the person shoots themselves in the fucking legs, 100% of the fucking time it is a stupid shitty Glock. Is it user error? Yes. But it's always a Glock. Every single time.

Where am I? Oh, sorry. Hi. How is your day going, PotD?
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glocknade
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helIy posted...

glocknade

Yeah, brother. You feel me.
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Fuck glockenspiels, too.
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Sarcasthma posted...

Fuck glockenspiels, too.

I knew that meant "play bells" or "toy bells" just from speaking German, but I didn't know that was the name of an instrument until I looked it up just now.

YEAH, FUCK THOSE THINGS, TOO.
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Just dont shoot yourself. My Springfield XD doesnt have an external safety. Its not that difficult.
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All about that SA only layout.
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I don't like guns

MannerSaurus posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

All about that SA only layout.

If you mean Glocks, those are DAO, not SAO.

SAO is like an old fashioned revolver, right? Hammer back for every shot.

I mean like the classic 1911, but yeah, hammer back or no shooty bang-bang.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

MannerSaurus posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

All about that SA only layout.

If you mean Glocks, those are DAO, not SAO.

SAO is like an old fashioned revolver, right? Hammer back for every shot.

I mean like the classic 1911, but yeah, hammer back or no shooty bang-bang.

Word. Also, I was wrong. Glocks are considered neither, apparently. It is "Safe Action" which is in the middle, internally. Kind of odd, but makes sense. But yeah, 1911's are sexy guns, especially classic hand made ones.
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That's right, real men only carry revolvers and twirl them all the time.
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MannerSaurus posted...

100% of the fucking time it is a stupid shitty Glock. Is it user error? Yes. But it's always a Glock. Every single time.

[Citation needed.]
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Zeus posted...

MannerSaurus posted...

100% of the fucking time it is a stupid shitty Glock. Is it user error? Yes. But it's always a Glock. Every single time.

[Citation needed.]

Actually, the scientist I asked told me it was 105% of the time, but I rounded it down just to calm down in time for this important and unbiased thread. I asked him if he was a scientist, and he said "Yeah", so, that seems pretty legit to me.
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Is there a gun you would recommend for personal safety for someone that doesnt know much about them?
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Mead posted...

Is there a gun you would recommend for personal safety for someone that doesnt know much about them?

For home defense, I recommend a pump 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 00 or 000 buckshot. You still have to aim it (the immense shotgun spread in video games is a lie or for balance, unless you use a specific choke/shell combination), and it can still go through dry wall... but slightly less so than a rifled slug (like one fired from a rifle/carbine/pistol). And there is a lot of damage and threat stopping potential in one shot, because 3" 00Buckshot in 12 gauge contains 15 .32 Caliber (caliber is bore diameter in fractions of an inch. .50 Caliber is half an inch, .25 Caliber is a quarter inch etc.. and of course the metric measured guns like 9mm and stuff. Some get called both, for example, the PPK James Bond carried had a 7.65mm cartridge/bore, but in America we sell that ammo as .32ACP) slugs per shell, and you just wrack the pump and the next one is ready. The primary reason I recommend the pump action shotgun and not semi-automatic, despite the superior speed of a self loading shotgun, is the fact that a manual control of the bolt (via the pump) makes clearing a dangerous jam much faster/easier in a life or death situation. Playing around with a stuck spent cartridge when someone is trying to kill you or your family is... well... a good way to die. Or at the very least, the most horrifyingly long few second of your life.

For a handgun for carrying on your body or in your vehicle? (Assuming you have a carry permit already, or don't need one in your state?) I don't really recommend the 1911 because of the risk of modern 1911 jams being higher (machine made is not the same as hand made like back in the day, the tolerances are too loose in the 1911). I don't personally like Glocks, but if you can be safe with them, many people trust their lives to them. Really, I would try renting some guns at a gun range and being taught how to use them safely, and seeing which one you are most comfortable with grouping accurate shots / unloading / handling the mechanics etc. until you find what you want. And I would look up some reviews of guns, just to see if there's any huge trends. The Beretta Nano, for example, is notorious for having jams and things like that... despite being the perfect size for concealed carry. Even though Beretta is traditionally a reliable brand, the 92 series for example is famous and used to be carried by law enforcement, if I remember correctly. The military version of that good Beretta is the "M9". Again, you don't want a gun jamming on you in a life or death situation. That's why you want to spend a lot of time at the range, both for muscle memory training, and to make sure the gun is in good firing order. And make sure it is maintained, lightly oiled, the barrel is clean etc. Carry guns tend to get dirtier than a gun just sitting in a safe (obviously.)

Whatever you choose, if you aren't familiar with fire arms, I would recommend taking a bunch of classes and things like that. For firearm laws, safety, safe handling, proper technique, even self defense information and training.
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Glocks are great, my best shooting handguns
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MannerSaurus posted...

Really, I would try renting some guns at a gun range and being taught how to use them safely, and seeing which one you are most comfortable with grouping accurate shots / unloading / handling the mechanics etc. until you find what you want.

Sounds like smart advice. Moving to St Louis and I feel like it might be smart to carry a firearm given their crime rate.

I dont think the state requires a concealed carry permit but Im still gonna get one so I can be trained on what to do and not do just in case I ever need it.
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Mead posted...

MannerSaurus posted...

Really, I would try renting some guns at a gun range and being taught how to use them safely, and seeing which one you are most comfortable with grouping accurate shots / unloading / handling the mechanics etc. until you find what you want.

Sounds like smart advice. Moving to St Louis and I feel like it might be smart to carry a firearm given their crime rate.

I dont think the state requires a concealed carry permit but Im still gonna get one so I can be trained on what to do and not do just in case I ever need it.

I have Springfield XD that I carry, which I love. A buddy has a Sig P238 which is probably going to be my next purchase, if I buy another.
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Im just waiting for them to release them sweet ass surplus 1911's.

Come to papa.
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Smarkil posted...

Im just waiting for them to release them sweet ass surplus 1911's.

Come to papa.

Those are going to be pretty pricey, yeah? I don't remember hearing an exact $ amount.
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MannerSaurus posted...

Smarkil posted...

Im just waiting for them to release them sweet ass surplus 1911's.

Come to papa.

Those are going to be pretty pricey, yeah? I don't remember hearing an exact $ amount.

They're probably not going to come cheap. As I recall, they're releasing them in stages to the civilian population. Something like 10k per year? I could be talking out of my ass, but that's what's in my brain.

I don't think there's any pricing info out yet though.
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Mead posted...

Is there a gun you would recommend for personal safety for someone that doesnt know much about them?

If you're looking for home defense, the AR-15 and AK-74 are king (not the 47 though). High velocity, light bullets don't penetrate walls as badly as higher weight projectiles do, plus you get 30 rounds per mag or more (unless you live in a state that has mag capacity limits) and they have very manageable recoil. The age of the shotgun is over for home defense.
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XlaxJynx007 posted...

Mead posted...

Is there a gun you would recommend for personal safety for someone that doesnt know much about them?

If you're looking for home defense, the AR-15 and AK-74 are king (not the 47 though). High velocity, light bullets don't penetrate walls as badly as higher weight projectiles do, plus you get 30 rounds per mag or more (unless you live in a state that has mag capacity limits) and they have very manageable recoil. The age of the shotgun is over for home defense.

Sorry, but you're wrong on that. The shotgun is still considered the best self defense weapon to own for house defense. 5.56x45mm NATO most definitely has over penetration problems, especially if you have other loved ones living with you in the house. Not to mention how finicky the AR-15 is with feeding and closing the bolt correctly (although proper maintenance on a modern AR-15 platform weapon helps negate this by the boatload compared to earlier equipment) doesn't put this weapon anywhere near the reliability of a pump action shotgun. It's not even in the same ball park. The AK-74 is super reliable, but you still face the over penetration problem, including THROUGH the target's body.

The shotgun stands as the ultimate home defense weapon, period. And any self defense or tactical school will tell you the same.
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Compared to the M4s XlaxJynx and I used in the army, the issues with the AR-15 platform, especially if youre the initial owner, are over-exaggerated. I dont even know how many rounds were put through my M4 before I had it and feeding/ejection issues were rare.
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glad i live somewhere the freaks can't get their hands on them...
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Cacciato posted...

Compared to the M4s XlaxJynx and I used in the army, the issues with the AR-15 platform, especially if youre the initial owner, are over-exaggerated. I dont even know how many rounds were put through my M4 before I had it and feeding/ejection issues were rare.

I have never personally had one of my carbines or rifles fail to feed / extract / eject, but for someone unfamiliar with firearms in a life or death situation, a shotgun is a far more reliable weapon. Not to mention the immense stopping power (not the mythical knock down power, of course) of 00 Buckshot compared to the 5.56 that was "poking holes" through people (and then possibly his loved ones.) That's not to say the AR-15 is a bad weapon. I fucking love my carbines. But in a living room situation with loved ones in the house, I would never think of grabbing a rifled ball-round weapon over the 12 gauge with a pump.
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MannerSaurus posted...

XlaxJynx007 posted...

Mead posted...

Is there a gun you would recommend for personal safety for someone that doesnt know much about them?

If you're looking for home defense, the AR-15 and AK-74 are king (not the 47 though). High velocity, light bullets don't penetrate walls as badly as higher weight projectiles do, plus you get 30 rounds per mag or more (unless you live in a state that has mag capacity limits) and they have very manageable recoil. The age of the shotgun is over for home defense.

Sorry, but you're wrong on that. The shotgun is still considered the best self defense weapon to own for house defense. 5.56x45mm NATO most definitely has over penetration problems, especially if you have other loved ones living with you in the house. Not to mention how finicky the AR-15 is with feeding and closing the bolt correctly (although proper maintenance on a modern AR-15 platform weapon helps negate this by the boatload compared to earlier equipment) doesn't put this weapon anywhere near the reliability of a pump action shotgun. It's not even in the same ball park. The AK-74 is super reliable, but you still face the over penetration problem, including THROUGH the target's body.

The shotgun stands as the ultimate home defense weapon, period. And any self defense or tactical school will tell you the same.

Here's the thing, nothing that you're saying is backed up by ballistic evidence. The facts are: high velocity, light bullets penetrate fewer walls than low velocity, heavy bullets. 5.56 will penetrate fewer walls than 00 buck, can have more rounds, with less recoil. Does 5.56 penetrate a lot of walls? Yes. Is it as bad as buckshot, slugs, pistol calibers, or heavy rifle rounds? Absolutely not.

I won't judge your choice of defense weapon, hell I'm a hypocrite using an AK-47 for my home defense, but do some actual research before parroting false information spread by fudds.
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Cacciato posted...

Compared to the M4s XlaxJynx and I used in the army, the issues with the AR-15 platform, especially if youre the initial owner, are over-exaggerated. I dont even know how many rounds were put through my M4 before I had it and feeding/ejection issues were rare.

The M4 has one major flaw that the military refuses to fix: the godawful GI magazines. Those pieces of shit are the source of 90%+ of the malfunctions in the M4 and it's why it doesn't have a great reputation. That and the military is massively overkill on cleaning the things. Soldiers don't know what the fuck they're doing when they clean those things and they damage the internals by scraping shit off that doesn't need to be. Taking care of an AR/M4 is easy if you're not a dumbass.
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XlaxJynx007 posted...

MannerSaurus posted...

XlaxJynx007 posted...

Mead posted...

Is there a gun you would recommend for personal safety for someone that doesnt know much about them?

If you're looking for home defense, the AR-15 and AK-74 are king (not the 47 though). High velocity, light bullets don't penetrate walls as badly as higher weight projectiles do, plus you get 30 rounds per mag or more (unless you live in a state that has mag capacity limits) and they have very manageable recoil. The age of the shotgun is over for home defense.

Sorry, but you're wrong on that. The shotgun is still considered the best self defense weapon to own for house defense. 5.56x45mm NATO most definitely has over penetration problems, especially if you have other loved ones living with you in the house. Not to mention how finicky the AR-15 is with feeding and closing the bolt correctly (although proper maintenance on a modern AR-15 platform weapon helps negate this by the boatload compared to earlier equipment) doesn't put this weapon anywhere near the reliability of a pump action shotgun. It's not even in the same ball park. The AK-74 is super reliable, but you still face the over penetration problem, including THROUGH the target's body.

The shotgun stands as the ultimate home defense weapon, period. And any self defense or tactical school will tell you the same.

Here's the thing, nothing that you're saying is backed up by ballistic evidence. The facts are: high velocity, light bullets penetrate fewer walls than low velocity, heavy bullets. 5.56 will penetrate fewer walls than 00 buck, can have more rounds, with less recoil. Does 5.56 penetrate a lot of walls? Yes. Is it as bad as buckshot, slugs, pistol calibers, or heavy rifle rounds? Absolutely not.

I won't judge your choice of defense weapon, hell I'm a hypocrite using an AK-47 for my home defense, but do some actual research before parroting false information spread by fudds.

I have done my research, and what you are saying I disagree with. Well, SOME of it. Here's my point: The 5.56mm will stray a little but still travel through wall after wall, even after piercing the intruder. It has been tested time and time again. The buckshot is more likely to stop IN THE TARGET and lose a huge amount of its velocity than 5.56mm, even if the 5.56mm will lose energy faster in a straight drywall shot. You don't want to be firing where loved ones are in the backdrop at any rate, but there's a reason a pump shotgun is still regularly recommended for home defense. Especially to anyone new to firearms.
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XlaxJynx007 posted...

Cacciato posted...

Compared to the M4s XlaxJynx and I used in the army, the issues with the AR-15 platform, especially if youre the initial owner, are over-exaggerated. I dont even know how many rounds were put through my M4 before I had it and feeding/ejection issues were rare.

The M4 has one major flaw that the military refuses to fix: the godawful GI magazines. Those pieces of shit are the source of 90%+ of the malfunctions in the M4 and it's why it doesn't have a great reputation. That and the military is massively overkill on cleaning the things. Soldiers don't know what the fuck they're doing when they clean those things and they damage the internals by scraping shit off that doesn't need to be. Taking care of an AR/M4 is easy if you're not a dumbass.

I remember when I was deployed that command threw a fuckin fit and told us we werent allowed to use P-mags. Not that I had any since I had a SAW, but still.

But yeah Ill agree on the over cleaning. We had a squad leader that barely cleaned his for weeks at a time and it fired just fine. I know you remember guys getting desperate and using whatever they could get their hands on to speed it up.
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RoboXgp89 posted...

glad i live somewhere the freaks can't get their hands on them...

Are you referring to me, Jynx, and Cacciato? Because, from what I can tell in this thread, these are both good men that disagree with me on equipment choices. But their intentions are good, and they want what's best for keeping innocent people safe. They (and I) are not "freaks."
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MannerSaurus posted...

RoboXgp89 posted...

glad i live somewhere the freaks can't get their hands on them...

Are you referring to me, Jynx, and Cacciato? Because, from what I can tell in this thread, these are both good men that disagree with me on equipment choices. But their intentions are good, and they want what's best for keeping innocent people safe. They (and I) are not "freaks."

Hes not someone to take seriously. Hell literally politicize every single topic regardless of how unnecessary it is.
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MannerSaurus posted...

XlaxJynx007 posted...

MannerSaurus posted...

XlaxJynx007 posted...

Mead posted...

Is there a gun you would recommend for personal safety for someone that doesnt know much about them?

If you're looking for home defense, the AR-15 and AK-74 are king (not the 47 though). High velocity, light bullets don't penetrate walls as badly as higher weight projectiles do, plus you get 30 rounds per mag or more (unless you live in a state that has mag capacity limits) and they have very manageable recoil. The age of the shotgun is over for home defense.

Sorry, but you're wrong on that. The shotgun is still considered the best self defense weapon to own for house defense. 5.56x45mm NATO most definitely has over penetration problems, especially if you have other loved ones living with you in the house. Not to mention how finicky the AR-15 is with feeding and closing the bolt correctly (although proper maintenance on a modern AR-15 platform weapon helps negate this by the boatload compared to earlier equipment) doesn't put this weapon anywhere near the reliability of a pump action shotgun. It's not even in the same ball park. The AK-74 is super reliable, but you still face the over penetration problem, including THROUGH the target's body.

The shotgun stands as the ultimate home defense weapon, period. And any self defense or tactical school will tell you the same.

Here's the thing, nothing that you're saying is backed up by ballistic evidence. The facts are: high velocity, light bullets penetrate fewer walls than low velocity, heavy bullets. 5.56 will penetrate fewer walls than 00 buck, can have more rounds, with less recoil. Does 5.56 penetrate a lot of walls? Yes. Is it as bad as buckshot, slugs, pistol calibers, or heavy rifle rounds? Absolutely not.

I won't judge your choice of defense weapon, hell I'm a hypocrite using an AK-47 for my home defense, but do some actual research before parroting false information spread by fudds.

I have done my research, and what you are saying I disagree with. Well, SOME of it. Here's my point: The 5.56mm will stray a little but still travel through wall after wall, even after piercing the intruder. It has been tested time and time again. The buckshot is more likely to stop IN THE TARGET and lose a huge amount of its velocity than 5.56mm, even if the 5.56mm will lose energy faster in a straight drywall shot. You don't want to be firing where loved ones are in the backdrop at any rate, but there's a reason a pump shotgun is still regularly recommended for home defense. Especially to anyone new to firearms.

You're assuming that I'd recommend using ball ammo for defense, which I don't. However, you also have to consider the shots that miss your target, which is a major concern when in a high stress scenario. 00 Buckshot has 9 pellets. What happens if you hit the bad guy with 6? Those other 3 pellets are going somewhere and they aren't stopping any time soon. I also can't recommend a 12 gauge for a brand new shooter either, the recoil is significant, and will cause the shooter to develop bad habits when they start anticipating recoil. Same concept on why most experienced people start newbies off with a 22 or 9mm in handguns instead of 45, 44 Mag, etc. If you can work your way up to 12 gauge, go nuts, but starting lower is preferable.
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XlaxJynx007 posted...

MannerSaurus posted...

XlaxJynx007 posted...

MannerSaurus posted...

XlaxJynx007 posted...

Mead posted...

Is there a gun you would recommend for personal safety for someone that doesnt know much about them?

If you're looking for home defense, the AR-15 and AK-74 are king (not the 47 though). High velocity, light bullets don't penetrate walls as badly as higher weight projectiles do, plus you get 30 rounds per mag or more (unless you live in a state that has mag capacity limits) and they have very manageable recoil. The age of the shotgun is over for home defense.

Sorry, but you're wrong on that. The shotgun is still considered the best self defense weapon to own for house defense. 5.56x45mm NATO most definitely has over penetration problems, especially if you have other loved ones living with you in the house. Not to mention how finicky the AR-15 is with feeding and closing the bolt correctly (although proper maintenance on a modern AR-15 platform weapon helps negate this by the boatload compared to earlier equipment) doesn't put this weapon anywhere near the reliability of a pump action shotgun. It's not even in the same ball park. The AK-74 is super reliable, but you still face the over penetration problem, including THROUGH the target's body.

The shotgun stands as the ultimate home defense weapon, period. And any self defense or tactical school will tell you the same.

Here's the thing, nothing that you're saying is backed up by ballistic evidence. The facts are: high velocity, light bullets penetrate fewer walls than low velocity, heavy bullets. 5.56 will penetrate fewer walls than 00 buck, can have more rounds, with less recoil. Does 5.56 penetrate a lot of walls? Yes. Is it as bad as buckshot, slugs, pistol calibers, or heavy rifle rounds? Absolutely not.

I won't judge your choice of defense weapon, hell I'm a hypocrite using an AK-47 for my home defense, but do some actual research before parroting false information spread by fudds.

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You're assuming that I'd recommend using ball ammo for defense, which I don't. However, you also have to consider the shots that miss your target, which is a major concern when in a high stress scenario. 00 Buckshot has 9 pellets. What happens if you hit the bad guy with 6? Those other 3 pellets are going somewhere and they aren't stopping any time soon. I also can't recommend a 12 gauge for a brand new shooter either, the recoil is significant, and will cause the shooter to develop bad habits when they start anticipating recoil. Same concept on why most experienced people start newbies off with a 22 or 9mm in handguns instead of 45, 44 Mag, etc. If you can work your way up to 12 gauge, go nuts, but starting lower is preferable.

Fair points. I usually do start people off with .22LR for their first time shooting. But I know in a fairly heavy shotgun the recoil isn't too bad for 2 3/4" 00Buck. But I hear you. Should definitely train practice train practice and be extremely comfortable with anything you use for an emergency.
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MannerSaurus posted...

Mead posted...

Is there a gun you would recommend for personal safety for someone that doesnt know much about them?

Whatever you choose, if you aren't familiar with fire arms, I would recommend taking a bunch of classes and things like that. For firearm laws, safety, safe handling, proper technique, even self defense information and training.

Nah you don't need any stupid classes, real men know how to use a firearm when they are born.
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Cacciato posted...

MannerSaurus posted...

RoboXgp89 posted...

glad i live somewhere the freaks can't get their hands on them...

Are you referring to me, Jynx, and Cacciato? Because, from what I can tell in this thread, these are both good men that disagree with me on equipment choices. But their intentions are good, and they want what's best for keeping innocent people safe. They (and I) are not "freaks."

Hes not someone to take seriously. Hell literally politicize every single topic regardless of how unnecessary it is.

Not only that but by his own admission on this board he suffers from schizophrenia and has made the decision not follow medical advice regarding medication.

Something I keep in mind when he makes a bizarre post.
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