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Peace___Frog
07/22/11 5:42:00 AM
#101:


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Furious Fura
07/22/11 6:22:00 AM
#102:


If you want you can add Malazan Mafia to the queue, because I just got done making it, flavor and all. I might need someone to look at the balance, but that can wait, since the size of the queue means it won't be played for a year or so lol

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manticore16
07/22/11 6:45:00 AM
#103:


Hmm, thought FF7 would be farther along by now.

I see signups for NFL are up, so I guess signups for Violin Concerto Mafia will go up well after I return from Austria Sunday night (aka Tom you can stand down). They'll probably be up Thursday at the earliest, I've got rehearsals Tuesday and Wednesday and hopefully FF7'll be under 20 by then.

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Jmast7
07/22/11 9:10:00 AM
#104:


From: manticore16 | Posted: 7/22/2011 9:45:42 AM | #103
Hmm, thought FF7 would be farther along by now.

I see signups for NFL are up, so I guess signups for Violin Concerto Mafia will go up well after I return from Austria Sunday night (aka Tom you can stand down). They'll probably be up Thursday at the earliest, I've got rehearsals Tuesday and Wednesday and hopefully FF7'll be under 20 by then.


That should work given the number of people playing right now. And hopefully 80s Cartoon will go up sometime mid-late August. It's done, but I'd like a third set of eyes to check the balance on it before it starts, if there are any takers. <.<

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_Regaro_
07/22/11 9:11:00 AM
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Articuno2001
07/23/11 9:47:00 AM
#106:


bumping this

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KCF0107
07/24/11 12:36:00 PM
#107:


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Achromatic
07/25/11 2:28:00 AM
#108:


I am of the opinion that FD should not be allowed to play in a game of mafia for 2 months. His conduct in Bible was detrimental to town and his behavior when confronted about it, to mention how he was too busy playing LoL, is unacceptable for someone who has been playing mafia on this board for years.

I have no official power over hosts to enforce this, but I would please like them to consider it if he were to sign up for your games. Thank you.

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Achromatic
07/25/11 7:01:00 AM
#109:


By the way, I want responses: Who is in favor of de-tabooing scum prosty? It is only broken because no one wants it in the game. If it is not taboo, it would no longer have that "no way..." vibe to it. Just saying. Talk, mafia people, talk.

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red13n
07/25/11 7:16:00 AM
#111:


By the way, I want responses: Who is in favor of de-tabooing scum prosty? It is only broken because no one wants it in the game. If it is not taboo, it would no longer have that "no way..." vibe to it. Just saying. Talk, mafia people, talk.

Honestly, it only serves as a way for host to lie to town.

Right now, prosty is essentially "confirm yourself to 1 person at night".

The added utility of "did they get up or not" rarely ever comes into play due to the fact that the person you targetted -knows- they were slept with.

So its already low utility(Very often scum that recently claimed vanilla wont take an action the next night).

If you give scum a prosty role, it loses its comfirmability, and now becomes incredibly low on the utility end.

Nothing is stopping people from giving scum a role that targets people at night and sees if they got up or not(Including notification in the process), but making it exactly the same as town prosty ruins the role.

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Jmast7
07/25/11 7:16:00 AM
#112:


Oh, I just posted this in the Bible thread:

From: Jmast7 | Posted: 7/25/2011 10:09:45 AM | #211
Oh, of course. This discussion might have been totally different had town lost.

But the thing is, I kind of like the idea that Prosty isn't a 100% confirmed town role once it appears. And really, there's no reason it should be - perfectly viable role for scum (as opposed to, say, Mayor or DV) and having some added WIFOM to it might let it fit better in some setups. <_<


FD was fine in Killer7 and GoW. And actually his miller breadcrumb in that latter game was brilliant. I'd probably let him off with a warning provided he ups his activity next time. >_>

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Furious Fura
07/25/11 7:17:00 AM
#113:


What's wrong with scum prosty except for the fact that everyone assumes that prosty means town?

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Furious Fura
07/25/11 7:18:00 AM
#114:


oh okay i didnt see that post red when i posted the above

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Peace___Frog
07/25/11 7:18:00 AM
#115:


Dunno what happened in Bible, but one offense doesn't seem ban-worthy IMO.

What exactly is scum prosty? When I've seen it it's just renamed RBer; town prosty is like a weakened tracker. So what's scum prosty?

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Peace___Frog
07/25/11 7:20:00 AM
#116:



Honestly, it only serves as a way for host to lie to town.

We've had insane cops and death miller and the like. >_>

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red13n
07/25/11 7:22:00 AM
#117:


We've had insane cops and death miller and the like. >_>

Do you remember the aggrevation caused by death miller?

And insane cop isnt lying. Cops -know- they can be insane. It doesnt make them scum cop.

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SpeedYoshi
07/25/11 7:25:00 AM
#118:


I have no problems de-tabhooing scum prosty, but if you're doing that might as well de-taboo stuff like scum double voter and other 'confirmables'

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_Regaro_
07/25/11 7:30:00 AM
#119:


the problem with doublevoter/mayor is that it gives scum extra lynch-controlling power. which is the last thing any scumteam needs

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Jmast7
07/25/11 7:34:00 AM
#121:


From: red13n | Posted: 7/25/2011 10:16:56 AM | #111
By the way, I want responses: Who is in favor of de-tabooing scum prosty? It is only broken because no one wants it in the game. If it is not taboo, it would no longer have that "no way..." vibe to it. Just saying. Talk, mafia people, talk.

Honestly, it only serves as a way for host to lie to town.

Right now, prosty is essentially "confirm yourself to 1 person at night".

The added utility of "did they get up or not" rarely ever comes into play due to the fact that the person you targetted -knows- they were slept with.

So its already low utility(Very often scum that recently claimed vanilla wont take an action the next night).

If you give scum a prosty role, it loses its comfirmability, and now becomes incredibly low on the utility end.

Nothing is stopping people from giving scum a role that targets people at night and sees if they got up or not(Including notification in the process), but making it exactly the same as town prosty ruins the role.


But the thing is there are already plenty of confirmable roles for hosts to use and sometimes having too many can throw off the balance (see Bioshock).

Town Prosty is useful simply because it pigeonholes scum into their claim - scum who have claimed vanilla are paranoid to make a move when one is out there and scum can be forced to claim power if the Prosty catches them getting up at night before they've claimed. And I liked the fact that in Bible town had to use logic to determine Luis was scum rather than autovoting Tom. <_<

From: _Regaro_ | Posted: 7/25/2011 10:30:23 AM | #119
the problem with doublevoter/mayor is that it gives scum extra lynch-controlling power. which is the last thing any scumteam needs


And this. The only reason Scum Prosty is up for discussion is because it wouldn't ruin the game balance at all, it just changes the nature of the role. <_<

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_Regaro_
07/25/11 7:47:00 AM
#122:


I am fine with de-tabooing Scum Prosty (And only Prosty as far as confirmables go) though.


The only real problem I can see is that it really weakens the role from "Weak-ass confirmable scanner" to "Weak-ass Scanner"

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manticore16
07/25/11 8:39:00 AM
#123:


red13n posted...
We've had insane cops and death miller and the like. >_>

Do you remember the aggrevation caused by death miller?

And insane cop isnt lying. Cops -know- they can be insane. It doesnt make them scum cop.


I thought death miller was tabooed. Honestly, has it ever been used in a B8 game?

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Peace___Frog
07/25/11 8:40:00 AM
#124:


Yes, it has.
And Sir Chris was it.

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_Regaro_
07/25/11 8:42:00 AM
#125:


To be fair, Baku used it <_<

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Achromatic
07/25/11 8:43:00 AM
#126:


From: Peace___Frog | #124
Yes, it has.
And Sir Chris was it.


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Peace___Frog
07/25/11 8:50:00 AM
#127:


Baku can get away with taboo'd roles because... something

Chris, you know you loved it, especially the post-game gloating.

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htaeD
07/25/11 9:06:00 AM
#128:


Oh man and I thought BP RB SK was the best role ever
which host made that one again?

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_Regaro_
07/25/11 9:10:00 AM
#129:


Spiral.

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Jmast7
07/25/11 9:12:00 AM
#130:


From: htaeD | Posted: 7/25/2011 12:06:26 PM | #128
Oh man and I thought BP RB SK was the best role ever
which host made that one again?


Pfffft. Your BP RB SK has nothing on the Inno scanning Mason BP Strongman Possessor SK team. ;-)

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X_Dante_X
07/25/11 9:15:00 AM
#131:


pfft who needs fancy powers in order to have fun as serial killer

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_Regaro_
07/25/11 9:15:00 AM
#132:


And your Inno-scanning Mason BP Strongman Posessor SK team has nothing on Cartel


just sayin'

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htaeD
07/25/11 9:21:00 AM
#133:


2 on 1 isnt fair :(

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Jmast7
07/25/11 9:23:00 AM
#134:


From: X_Dante_X | Posted: 7/25/2011 12:15:27 PM | #131
pfft who needs fancy powers in order to have fun as serial killer


I lied. I'm anti town. Its what I do. ^_^

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Peace___Frog
07/25/11 9:32:00 AM
#135:


Cartel has nothing on entirescumteamfitintooneindependentrole

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_Regaro_
07/25/11 10:42:00 AM
#136:


I need a replace

IM me at regaroukiera

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FFDragon
07/25/11 10:53:00 AM
#137:


I for one don't see the venom towards scum prosty. There is nothing 'host lying' about the role like there is with death miller to suggest otherwise is just crazy talk. I'm not saying it should fall into the regular rotation of scum roles, but there's nothing wrong with the occasional usage.

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FFDragon
07/25/11 10:54:00 AM
#138:


lol double post

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_Regaro_
07/25/11 11:24:00 AM
#139:


I just had an idea

somebody tell me it's bad

But basically, a game where each player slot is played by two players

So everybody's basically a mason (In addition to whatever other role they have), but their buddy is in their player slot, rather than another one. Actions would be done per player slot, rather than per player, as would lynches and kills.

(IE: Say there's a Boko/Ulti playerslot. If you shoot it, you're shooting both Boko and Ulti, but only one "player" technically.)

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Jmast7
07/25/11 11:33:00 AM
#140:


From: _Regaro_ | Posted: 7/25/2011 2:24:48 PM | #139
I just had an idea

somebody tell me it's bad

But basically, a game where each player slot is played by two players

So everybody's basically a mason (In addition to whatever other role they have), but their buddy is in their player slot, rather than another one. Actions would be done per player slot, rather than per player, as would lynches and kills.

(IE: Say there's a Boko/Ulti playerslot. If you shoot it, you're shooting both Boko and Ulti, but only one "player" technically.)


This could actually be kind of amusing depending on the pairings, especially if one of the pair ends up dragging the other down with him. ;-)

But I do kind of like the idea of each person having two claims - one of their role and one of their partner. Might be a fun experimental thing to do.

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_Regaro_
07/25/11 11:34:00 AM
#141:


Tempted to try it if I'm up to another game after NFL

I don't think it would require any extra balancing work beyond that of balancing a small game (Which is its own set of challenges)

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manticore16
07/25/11 12:36:00 PM
#142:


Well, given the current queue there'd be time to tinker with specifics. Also Mant is back in the States and debating whether to start signups now or Thursday. Input would be appreciated of "How early is too early?" because FF7 and NFL are at 19 and 16 respectively (and Violin Concerto'll start when one finishes).

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_Regaro_
07/25/11 12:42:00 PM
#143:


Now is definitely too early if you want to wait until one finishes to start VC.

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Jmast7
07/25/11 12:42:00 PM
#144:


From: manticore16 | Posted: 7/25/2011 3:36:33 PM | #142
Well, given the current queue there'd be time to tinker with specifics. Also Mant is back in the States and debating whether to start signups now or Thursday. Input would be appreciated of "How early is too early?" because FF7 and NFL are at 19 and 16 respectively (and Violin Concerto'll start when one finishes).


I'd say start them Thursday. That way players who get eliminated from those two games in the next couple days will have a chance to sign up.

Also, if you get a lot of signups, you could probably start a bit before FFVII and NFL finish. I imagine in a week and a half (say by a week from Friday) both games will be down to only a handful of players (and given the numbers, both might finish around the same time). <.<

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Jmast7
07/25/11 12:53:00 PM
#145:


Hmmm... though I went through the numbers and by the end of next week, assuming a relatively normal rate of attrition and two towns that don't entirely fail, by the end of next week both games should have somewhere around 8-10 players left. Might still be too much to start another game then.

But signups can probably still go up Thursday. Weren't FFVII signups up for like a month or something? >_>

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EDumey
07/25/11 1:24:00 PM
#146:


I actually really like the player slot idea, that would be fun.

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DidYouMWISMe
07/25/11 1:28:00 PM
#147:


Man if Town already has enough trouble winning Mafia games on its own against traditional Scum power roles, the idea of adding 'Scum Confirmable' roles to games is horrific. Suddenly you wouldn't be able to trust virtually any claimed Town Power roles, and that's one of the few things Town can and should rely upon to help them climb the information disparity gap and stand a chance in hell against scum.

I said this before in the Bible Mafia topic, but you basically could have stuck Scum Prosty on a two or three person scum team in a game that large and he'd still have a decent chance of winning. If you suddenly started toying with Scum Inventor or Scum Mayor or Scum Doctor (ugh) and threw them into the mix the results could well be catastrophic.

Let's not forget that Luis played a subpar game from town's perspective (even I conceded that while defending him) and was scummier than he could have been. A stronger scum-aligned player who'd actually be capable of acting more pro-town (and less inactive) while playing the role of 'Prosty' would've absolutely done us in.

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Peace___Frog
07/25/11 1:31:00 PM
#148:


It's not that different outside of fakeclaiming, MWIS.

I know other mafia sites have "hydras" and the way they use them is ridiculous and stupid (two or more players in the same playerslot). But if we're not idiots about it and such, I think it could be a fun spinoff.

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FFDragon
07/25/11 1:35:00 PM
#149:


Scum Mayor is bad because it removes the town's ability to lynch them, and is definitely out of bounds. Scum inventor and scum doctor have both been done before.

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_Regaro_
07/25/11 1:36:00 PM
#150:


From: Peace___Frog | #148
I know other mafia sites have "hydras" and the way they use them is ridiculous and stupid (two or more players in the same playerslot). But if we're not idiots about it and such, I think it could be a fun spinoff.


That was basically my idea

But two players in every slot


Also I'd probably announce the pairings at the start of the game <_< I don't see a reason to hide that since it's one playerslot, and it would otherwise make the playerlist a ***** to maintain

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