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transience
07/25/11 8:18:00 AM
#1:


This round is a little bit complicated, so hang with me a sec.

Round 3 has two parts: a round robin and a +10 aspect. First, the round robin.

* Round lasts 24 hours, one vote per person, no changing your vote, blah blah
* Divisions consist of 4 games
* Each game in a division will face each other in a 1v1 format. For example, on day 1 we'll get A vs. B and C vs. D, then on day 2 A vs. C and B vs. D, etc etc.
* You get 5 points to split up however you like between the two games
* You have to vote in both matches in a division for your vote to count. You can abstain an entire division if you want, but you can't give points to one set of games and not another.
* Winner at the end of the day gets 10 extra points

After the round robin is over, there will be a bonus day where all four entrants are put together.

* You get 10 points to distribute however you like, just like the past round.
* Top 2 highest scores in each division advance.
* Scores will be posted at the end of each day. I fully expect the last day to be a free-for-all with some pretty huge point swings.

And now, the divisions.

Division A

Chrono Trigger DS
Ghost Trick
Meteos
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor

Division B

Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Professor Layton and the Curious Village
The World Ends With You

Division C

Contra 4
Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations
Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver

Division D

Advance Wars: Days of Ruin
Elite Beat Agents / Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan
Hotel Dusk: Room 215
Pokemon Black/White

First match will go up soon.

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The Mana Sword
07/25/11 8:20:00 AM
#2:


What the hell happened to random.org.

These divisions are too evenly split.

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transience
07/25/11 8:22:00 AM
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I seeded the divisions, sorta. each division has a game that placed first, second, third and fourth. it was randomized from there. I didn't want two PW or Pokemon games in the same division because they're so much smaller and we're further along.

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The Mana Sword
07/25/11 8:22:00 AM
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So the contest is rigged then.

Good to know !

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transience
07/25/11 8:23:00 AM
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pokemon always wins

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th3l3fty
07/25/11 8:49:00 AM
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Division B is literally my top four remaining games ffffffff

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transience
07/25/11 8:54:00 AM
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random.org'd

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Turnsniper
07/25/11 11:48:00 AM
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So, every game is going to start the bonus match with wathever points they got in the 1v1 plus 10 for each individual victory?
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transience
07/25/11 11:52:00 AM
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yeah. it'll probably be like 400-350-250-200 to start and from there, who knows. if there's a clear first place and second/third place is close, we could have a huge point swing if people get behind one game over the other. should be fun.

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07/26/11 9:46:00 AM
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Day 1 Results

Division A

Chrono Trigger DS - 121
Ghost Trick - 164

Meteos - 140
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor - 145

Current standings:

Ghost Trick - 174
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor - 155
Meteos - 140
Chrono Trigger DS - 121

Ghost Trick and CTDS were close for the first half of the match, but Ghost Trick went on a 35-0 tear that was basically the difference in the match. Devil Survivor was never really behind, but Meteos put on a nice comeback to almost take the match, It just needed one more vote.

Division B

Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow - 92
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - 198

Professor Layton and the Curious Village - 138
The World Ends With You - 152


Current Standings:

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - 208
The World Ends With You - 162
Professor Layton and the Curious Village - 138
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow - 92

PW1 rocked a fairly strong game in Dawn of Sorrow, proving it's one of the favourites to win the contest. TWEWY vs. Layton was close, then TWEWY took a comfortable lead, then Layton made it look respectable at the end. This is a really strong division so it should be a dogfight for who advances.

Division C results

Contra 4 - 99
Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story - 199

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations - 199
Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver - 99

Current standings:

Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story - 209
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations - 209
Contra 4 - 99
Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver - 99

Two identical results. Now ask yourself - what's stronger, Pokemon HG/SS or Contra 4? Yeah.

Star of the Round: Phoenix Wright 1 and 3. Wow. If HG/SS is any indication, Pokemon Black/White is going to have a hard time matching up with these two games. They had arguably the strongest competition and still had the biggest margins of victory.

Turd of the Round: Devil Survivor. I dunno, I expected Meteos to kind of roll over here and instead it nearly won. I'll be curious to see CTDS vs. Devil Survivor 1 on 1.

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ZFS
07/26/11 10:59:00 AM
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bad results are bad

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mnkboy907
07/26/11 11:00:00 AM
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Actually, those are pretty much the best results possible.

Also, damn for having to pick between Hotel Dusk and Pokemon B/W...

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TheCodeisBosco
07/26/11 11:47:00 AM
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I think it's safe to say that Phoenix Wright 3 is winning this. After that, any other result would be shocking to me.

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mnkboy907
07/26/11 2:56:00 PM
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I'm a little amazed at how close Hotel Dusk has been keeping behind Pokemon B/W.

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voltch
07/26/11 3:41:00 PM
#15:


Phoenix Wright vs Pokemon matches geez.

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transience
07/26/11 4:21:00 PM
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strange results today. I think the most obvious conclusion -- PW games being ridiculously strong -- might be a little premature.

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Natwaf_akidna
07/26/11 5:22:00 PM
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Fantastic results

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Jeff Zero
07/26/11 5:25:00 PM
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Not fond but I am impressed.

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transience
07/27/11 11:26:00 AM
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today's results

Division D

Advance Wars: Days of Ruin - 130
Elite Beat Agents / Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan - 175

Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 153
Pokemon Black/White - 152

Current standings:

Elite Beat Agents / Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan - 185
Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 163
Pokemon Black/White - 152
Advance Wars: Days of Ruin - 130

wow. EBA jumped out to a small lead at the beginning and pretty much held it there until the end of the match. Pokemon had an early lead until Hotel Dusk came roaring back, finally taking the lead in the last 10 or so votes. Pokemon took a small lead in the last few hours but Hotel Dusk sealed it with a late 5 point vote.

this division seems like a three-way race between EBA, Hotel Dusk and Pokemon. the last day of this one could be nuts.

Division A

Chrono Trigger DS - 162
Meteos - 123

Ghost Trick - 159
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor - 126

Current standings:

Ghost Trick - 343
Chrono Trigger DS - 293
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor - 281
Meteos - 263

both matches went about the same: even at about the halfway point with the winning game pulling away slowly at the end. Meteos gets Ghost Trick last so it's probably done for, but CTDS vs. Devil Survivor and then the final day means that this could be a messy ending. despite CTDS being ahead in points, Devil Survivor probably has the edge here.

Division B

Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow - 135
Professor Layton and the Curious Village - 170

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - 178
The World Ends With You - 127

Current standings:

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - 396
Professor Layton and the Curious Village - 318
The World Ends With You - 289
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow - 227

Dawn of Sorrow is pretty clearly the weakest in this division while Phoenix Wright is the strongest. Layton was never challenged but TWEWY was actually ahead maybe a third of the way into the match before the Phoenix Wright fanclub came along and pushed it to the biggest victory of the day. TWEWY's behind in points but gets Dawn of Sorrow next while Layton has to deal with Phoenix. TWEWY's beaten Layton three times now and has to be seen as the favourite to advance along with Phoenix.

Star of the Round - Professor Layton. Hotel Dusk is the easy pick here but I'm putting that one squarely on Pokemon's shoulders. I always thought Dawn of Sorrow was one of the ten most popular DS games at the very least and Layton won it easily. nice show.

Turd of the Round - Pokemon Black/White. give Hotel Dusk all the credit in the world but this is two crappy performances by Pokemon. given that Dawn of Sorrow looks weak and Pokemon hasn't looked that great, I'm starting to question if PW is this uber powerhouse like it's seemed. it's still stronger than everything else, but it's not untouchable like it was yesterday.

day 3 action coming up in a minute

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Natwaf_akidna
07/27/11 5:56:00 PM
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Aww, Pokemon. And here you were worrying about EBA being weak, though that still might change.

On another note, is Devil Survivor 2 released in Japan yet?

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mnkboy907
07/27/11 5:57:00 PM
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From: Natwaf_akidna | #020
On another note, is Devil Survivor 2 released in Japan yet?


Tomorrow, actually. Which, I guess is today. So yes.

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voltch
07/28/11 5:08:00 AM
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damn ghost trick looks really good.

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transience
07/28/11 5:09:00 AM
#23:


not today it doesn't!

no one looks good today though.

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07/28/11 12:25:00 PM
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day 3 results

Division C

Contra 4 - 93
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations - 182

Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story - 146
Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver - 129

Total Points:

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations - 401
Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story - 365
Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver - 228
Contra 4 - 192

This is a pretty boring division. PW3 routed Contra 4 after a close start and Mario and Luigi was killing Pokemon until a late surge made it close. Unless Pokemon cleans up in the final day, this'll be Bowser and Phoenix.

Division D

Advance Wars: Days of Ruin - 149
Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 120

Elite Beat Agents / Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan - 131
Pokemon Black/White - 139

Total Points:

Elite Beat Agents / Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan - 316
Pokemon Black/White - Advance Wars: Days of Ruin - 301
Advance Wars: Days of Ruin - 289
Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 283

uhhh. Everyone here is 1-1 now. I have no idea what to think. Pokemon Black/White needed a huge comeback to beat EBA and Hotel Dusk just got embarrassed the whole way.

Division A

Ghost Trick - 141
Meteos - 119

Chrono Trigger DS - 146
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor - 114

Total Points:

Ghost Trick - 499
Chrono Trigger DS - 449
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor - 395
Meteos - 382

This set looks done, though SMT games have done great in the +10 rounds so we'll see how that goes. Ghost Trick and CTDS struggled early, especially Ghost Trick, but both get enough votes to get it done.

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HaRRicH
07/29/11 8:12:00 AM
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Tag for the sake of scouting (probably getting a 3DS soon).

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transience
07/29/11 4:00:00 PM
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Round Robin Results

Division B

Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow - 117
The World Ends With You - 148

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - 165
Professor Layton and the Curious Village - 100

Total Points:

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - 571
The World Ends With You - 447
Professor Layton and the Curious Village - 418
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow - 344

Nothing unexpected here. Layton may be the clear third place in this division but it performed admirably in losses, giving it a shot in the final round.

Division C

Contra 4 - 106
Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver - 164

Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story - 107
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations - 163

Total Points:

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations - 574
Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story - 472
Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver - 402
Contra 4 - 298

This seems pretty set in stone.


Division D

Advance Wars: Days of Ruin - 102
Pokemon Black/White - 168

Elite Beat Agents / Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan - 141
Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 129

Total Points:

Pokemon Black/White - 479
Elite Beat Agents / Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan - 467
Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 413
Advance Wars: Days of Ruin - 391

Pokemon finally puts up a good match to shoot into first place. Anyone could win this division.

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07/29/11 4:02:00 PM
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Current Standings:

Division A



Ghost Trick - 499
Chrono Trigger DS - 449
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor - 395
Meteos - 382

Division B

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - 571
The World Ends With You - 447
Professor Layton and the Curious Village - 418
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow - 344

Division C


Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations - 574
Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story - 472
Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver - 402
Contra 4 - 298

Division D

Pokemon Black/White - 479
Elite Beat Agents / Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan - 467
Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 413
Advance Wars: Days of Ruin - 391

Final day for divisions A and B are coming up soon.

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Pram_the_Oracle
07/30/11 10:09:00 AM
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Whoa the CT DS love.

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LeonhartFour
07/30/11 10:12:00 AM
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Whoo, go my four favorite DS games

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07/30/11 8:20:00 PM
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Division A and B Final Results

Division A

Chrono Trigger DS - 614
Ghost Trick - 614
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor - 550
Meteos - 437

Division B

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - 662
The World Ends With You - 639
Professor Layton and the Curious Village - 549
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow - 420

no upsets today. we'll see what happens tomorrow.

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YoboD
07/31/11 12:56:00 AM
#31:


CT really shouldn't have done that well.

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Evillordexdeath
07/31/11 1:20:00 AM
#32:


TWEWY is the game that truly should've done worse here; it's easily the worst game in that division.

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Da_J
07/31/11 3:04:00 AM
#33:


Evillordexdeath posted...
TWEWY is the game that truly should've done worse here; it's easily the worst game in that division.

I don't see a single correct thing about this post

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Pianist
07/31/11 3:56:00 PM
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any chance i could get results from previous rounds, tranny? looking for DS game ideas...

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transience
07/31/11 4:59:00 PM
#35:


here's the list of games

Ace Attorney Investigations
Advance Wars: Days of Ruin
Advance Wars: Dual Strike
Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney
Animal Crossing: Wild World
Castlevania - Dawn of Sorrow
Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Chrono Trigger DS
Contra 4
Disgaea DS
Dragon Quest IX
Dragon Quest V
Elite Beat Agents / Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan
Final Fantasy III DS
Final Fantasy IV DS
Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings
GTA: Chinatown Wars
Ghost Trick
Golden Sun: Dark Dawn
Hotel Dusk: Room 215
Jump Ultimate Stars
Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days
Kirby's Canvas Curse
Kirby SuperStar Ultra
Last Window: The Secret of Cape West
Legend Of Zelda: Spirit Tracks
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
Mario Kart DS
Meteos
New Super Mario Bros
Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Justice for All
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trials and Tribulations
Pokemon Black/White
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum
Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver
Professor Layton and the Curious Village
Professor Layton and the Diabolical Box
Professor Layton and the Unwound Future
Radiant Historia
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor
Shin Megami Tensei Strange Journey
Sonic Rush
Super Mario 64
Tetris DS
The Legendary Starfy
The World Ends With You
Trauma Center: Under the Knife
WarioWare Touched
Yoshi's Island DS
Dragon Quest VI
Final Fantasy Tactics A2
Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon
Kirby and the Squeak Squad
Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
Mega Man ZX Advent
Mega Man Zero Collection
Okamiden
Retro Game Challenge
Trauma Center: Under the Knife 2
Warioware: DIY

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Pianist
08/01/11 3:40:00 AM
#36:


appreciate it

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Natwaf_akidna
08/01/11 3:50:00 AM
#37:


Boo CT DS!

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08/01/11 6:25:00 AM
#38:


Final Results

Division C

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations - 699
Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story - 637
Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver - 582
Contra 4 - 318

Division D

Pokemon Black/White - 619
Elite Beat Agents / Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan - 602
Advance Wars: Days of Ruin - 511
Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 498

no upsets here. HG/SS pushed Bowser's Inside Story pretty hard in the beginning but BIS built up a cushion and sat on it pretty much all day. EBA was never threatened.

Your final 8:

Chrono Trigger DS
Elite Beat Agents / Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan
Ghost Trick
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations
Pokemon Black/White
The World Ends With You

I'll post details on the next round later. Gotta figure out what to do first.

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janembaman
08/01/11 11:25:00 AM
#39:


I find it kinda weird that Ghost Trick made it this far but 999 is long gone
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charmander6000
08/01/11 11:35:00 AM
#40:


CT really shouldn't have done that well.

I'm sure I wasn't the only one that treated this round as 2nd vs. 3rd. CT ended up tying for first because of that.

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mnkboy907
08/01/11 11:45:00 AM
#41:


Let's go, TWEWY, let's go!

Now if only Hotel Dusk and Devil Survivor could've made it, this Top 8 would've been amazing.

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08/02/11 8:43:00 AM
#42:


I find it kinda weird that Ghost Trick made it this far but 999 is long gone


But Ghost Trick is much, much better :)

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transience
08/02/11 8:59:00 AM
#43:


okay, I decided on round 4. simple round.

- all eight games in at once
- vote for one game and one game only
- most votes at the end of 24 hours advances; points reset at the end of a day
- tiebreakers will be resolved in a one hour overtime session
- this continues until we have four games

I'm curious to see how drastically the voting changes each day, especially in regards to PW games.

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08/03/11 9:13:00 AM
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Day 1 Results

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations - 10
Pokemon Black/White - 10

The World Ends With You - 7
Elite Beat Agents / Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan - 6
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - 5
Chrono Trigger DS - 5
Ghost Trick - 4
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story - 2

we'll hold a tiebreaker in a couple hours.

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LeonhartFour
08/03/11 9:14:00 AM
#45:


Heck yeah T&T

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08/03/11 1:20:00 PM
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Tiebreaker Results

Pokemon B/W - 13
Phoenix Wright 3 - 13

we'll have to do a second tiebreaker. first to 7, gotta win by 2.

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08/03/11 3:20:00 PM
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Tiebreaker Tiebreaker results

Pokemon B/W - 7
Phoenix Wright 3 - 3

7 games remain!

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08/04/11 3:58:00 PM
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Day 2 Results

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations - 13
The World Ends With You - 9
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story - 8
Chrono Trigger DS - 7
Elite Beat Agents / Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan - 7
Ghost Trick - 5
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - 5

that was pretty predictable. now to see if PW1 cleans up with PW3 advancing. it's pretty clear who the preferred game is in that franchise.

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charmander6000
08/04/11 5:38:00 PM
#49:


It'll be interesting who'll get the fourth spot. Things weren't looking so hot for M&L after day 1, but they're back in the hunt.

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KamikazePotato
08/04/11 5:47:00 PM
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Come on EBA

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