Board 8 > Michael Vick is a despicable human being.

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can anyone dispute this? anyone (a multi millionare no less) that takes enjoyment out of dog fighting is an absolute piece of garbage. I dont care if he has 'served his time', he is still a barely literate thug that deserves only scorn.

and yes, he is a good football player, but I will always root against that piece of human waste.

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I can dispute it, but after that LeBron topic, I don't know if it's worth the effort.

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Most people in Philadelphia hated him right away, and now most root for him because he wins.


That's just how it goes.

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Glad to know PETA's gotten to you. It's just dog fighting; calling a human being "waste" over something so trivial is waaaaaaay overreacting. That kind of stuff happens literally every day, all over the world. Not saying it's acceptable, but the man did his time. Cut him some slack.

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BoshStrikesBack posted...
Glad to know PETA's gotten to you. It's just dog fighting; calling a human being "waste" over something so trivial is waaaaaaay overreacting. That kind of stuff happens literally every day, all over the world. Not saying it's acceptable, but the man did his time. Cut him some slack.

Calling dog fighting "trivial" invalidates your entire argument.

The man did not do his time. He got a slap on the wrist for what he has done.

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some guy killed some dogs who cares

there's a giant dog overpopulation problem as it is

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WazzupGenius00 posted...
some guy killed some dogs who cares

there's a giant dog overpopulation problem as it is

You're a terrible person.

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and for the record I am not a Michael Vick fan in any way

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Maybe it's because I've never had a dog, but I just didn't care that much about what Vick did. Sure, I didn't think it was right, but the two years in jail (he served about that long, correct?) definitely seemed like he paid his dues and then some. Didn't he get the jail sentence for the illegal gambling ring and not the cruelty to dogs, anyway?

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He served his time.
He honestly seems to regret his actions.

Fair. Next.

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he never seemed remorseful...if he had been in an awkward/bad situation it would be one thing, but the guy commited these acts with malice and full knowledge of what he was doing. he is clearly a sociopath.

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RappinHobo9292 posted...
He served his time.
He honestly seems to regret his actions.

Fair. Next.

He hasn't served near what he deserves.

A ban from sports would be a nice start at getting him what he deserves.

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Why are you guys even here It's a classic

1. Andel Makes a controversial claim
2. No one can really prove or disprove the claim
3. Topic goes nowhere.

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Chrono1219 posted...
Why are you guys even here It's a classic

1. Andel Makes a controversial claim
2. No one can really prove or disprove the claim
3. Topic goes nowhere.

....No, pretty much anyone with a lick of sense can see he's despicable. It's pretty well proven.

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From: Andel | #014
he never seemed remorseful

Seemed remorseful to me.

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From: OctilIery | #057
....No, pretty much anyone with a lick of sense can see he's despicable. It's pretty well proven.

Uhh but you can't prove this.

Only Vick knows if he's remorseful or not.

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he didnt seem remorseful to me, he seemed like he was mad he got caught. the guy is barely literate, and speaks like a prison inmate already, he could give a damn about what he did. no one would ever do something like that if they had a normal, non sociopathic personality. and like a murderer, I dont give a damn even if he was remorseful, he still commited inexcusable acts for no good reason.

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So you've already passed your judgment on the guy and you basically want to portray the guy as despicable regardless of what he does. That's fine.

I have more respect for Vick than I do for most athletes who get caught doing something illegal.

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What do you think is an appropriate prison term or punishment for dog fighting?

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Vick should be forced to live the rest of his life in a human-fighting ring.

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From: LeonhartFour | #026
Vick should be forced to live the rest of his life in a human-fighting ring.

live the rest of his life? F*** no, dude should've been hanged on the spot for killing fuzzy wuzzies.

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Only when he loses.

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man, why did Andel come back

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Calling dog fighting "trivial" invalidates your entire argument.

Not really. If dog fighting was legal, I'd probably do it too. I don't really care about animals, so if that makes me a bad person, judge away.

Oh, and apparently that makes me a "sociopath." lol

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yes. even if vick is truly remorseful I would still view him in the same class as any psychotic sociopath you can name...it is documented in court records this guy tortured and killed dogs for his amusement...he deserves only scorn.

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yes...by definition, if you enjoy inflicting pain on a living thing, you are a sociopath. you probably also have a mental illness

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is it okay to kill dogs for food, Andel?

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Andel posted...
yes...by definition, if you enjoy inflicting pain on a living thing, you are a sociopath. you probably also have a mental illness

So you cry every time you mow your lawn then. Good to know.

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Stop talking s*** about sociopaths with mental illnesses before you piss me off enough to track you down and inflict extreme amounts of pain upon you for my own enjoyment because that's what I want to do when stupid worthless topics like these are made... granted I'm very unmotivated and I don't like to be inconvenienced, so not only would the act of tracking you down and doing machete-related stuff be way too much work (and time and money), but even just planning such an endeavor would be a pain in the ass... so I guess you're lucky that I'm lazy and half-joking... well maybe quarter-joking...

oh yeah and I actually defended you during that shrooms/illegal activities fiasco, so shame on you for all of your posts in this topic


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remember when andel came back and tranny said he remembered that he was a tool, and andel said "THATS NOT TRUE"

because i remember that

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if you can prove that grass feels pain you can probably get rich somehow...and I hope you are unmotivated in that endeavor caelus :-P

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more cruel than anything vick's ever done imo :D

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Dog fighting is comparable to forcing two people to fight to the death.

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Okay, fine, if you want to play the "pain" technicality, then do you not feel pleasure at swatting annoying mosquitoes?

Or do bugs not feel pain either?

And who is Caelus?

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Dog fighting is comparable to forcing two people to fight to the death.

So you're saying dog fighting is awesome?

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From: RappinHobo9292 | #013
He honestly seems to regret his actions.

I'd "honestly regret my actions" too if I lost my multi-million dollar job and got sent to prison and had to become a spokesman for PETA.

People suddenly realizing their folly after getting caught red-handed is about disingenuous as it gets. He didn't wake up morning and say "oh boy I've been doing some bad things time to turn over a new leaf;" he got busted and didn't have any choice but to repent. And it wasn't some small error in judgement, either; it was a long-term systematic felony.

I don't really care about the specifics of the crime itself, mind you. I hate dogs. Fight 'em into extinction for all I care. But a crime's and crime, and anyone who thinks an apology after getting your ass nailed to the wall qualifies as genuine is a complete sucker.

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Maybe at first he really wasn't sorry, but do you think a person can't think back and reflect on their actions over time and come to realize they made a big mistake, and honestly feel regret and shame for it? He had plenty of time to think about that kind of stuff in prison.

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JaKyL25 posted...
Okay, fine, if you want to play the "pain" technicality, then do you not feel pleasure at swatting annoying mosquitoes?

Or do bugs not feel pain either?

And who is Caelus?

Bugs do not have an emotional understanding of the pain or suffering, but torturing bugs is still borderline sociopathic.

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If by 'tool' you mean 'someone with a different opinion' you are correct. Internet insults make me laugh as the one doing the insulting usually has some kind of actual emotional stake in the situation...if you dont like my stimulating topics you should probably stay away from them :-P

and I would not condemn someone for using dogs for food if it was necessary for survival...though it is a bit archaic just to eat them

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Andel posted...
if you can prove that grass feels pain you can probably get rich somehow...and I hope you are unmotivated in that endeavor caelus :-P

You bet your ass I am. It pisses me off when something falls on the floor and I have to pick it up (whatever it is, it shouldn't have fallen on the floor in the first place. That's just bulls***). Figuring out all the necessary details to find you, then dealing with getting there, then dealing with the actual "confrontation," then the aftermath, then spending the rest of my life trying to ensure that I get away with it, whatever "it" happened to have been... that would be like something falling on the floor millions of times in a row. It is SOOOOO much more convenient to just let you get away with making this topic without extreme, violent consequences, so congrats ^_^

also quarter-joking was probably a little too serious. I was more like third-joking


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I don't really care about the specifics of the crime itself, mind you. I hate dogs. Fight 'em into extinction for all I care. But a crime's and crime, and anyone who thinks an apology after getting your ass nailed to the wall qualifies as genuine is a complete sucker.

So basically no one can ever realize the error of their ways after they've been caught?

Say what you will about most celebrity apologies being full of hot air, but Vick's remorse to me has seemed the most genuine of them all.

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WazzupGenius00 posted...
Maybe at first he really wasn't sorry, but do you think a person can't think back and reflect on their actions over time and come to realize they made a big mistake, and honestly feel regret and shame for it? He had plenty of time to think about that kind of stuff in prison.

If you have to look back to feel bad on such sadistic torture, you're a scumbag.

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From: JaKyL25 | #047
So basically no one can ever realize the error of their ways after they've been caught?

Say what you will about most celebrity apologies being full of hot air, but Vick's remorse to me has seemed the most genuine of them all.

Basically this.

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Andel posted...
If by 'tool' you mean 'someone with a different opinion' you are correct. Internet insults make me laugh as the one doing the insulting usually has some kind of actual emotional stake in the situation...if you dont like my stimulating topics you should probably stay away from them :-P

and I would not condemn someone for using dogs for food if it was necessary for survival...though it is a bit archaic just to eat them

Not to mention just killing a dog is not comparable to dog fighting. Unless you're eating the dog alive you're probably being humane.

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