Board 8 > Could Cloud or Link pull off a win

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crazyisgood
08/10/11 4:45:00 PM
#1:


if you put Link up against all the FFVII characters minus Cloud
or
Cloud up against all the Legend of Zelda characters minus Link

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LeonhartFour
08/10/11 4:46:00 PM
#2:


No.

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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/10/11 4:47:00 PM
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not a chance

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Zylo the wolf
08/10/11 4:49:00 PM
#4:


I'm pretty sure Cloud would. Isn't he expected to beat Ganondorf or Zelda with more than 60%?

Midgar Zolom would crush Link. Poor Zolomy just got rSFF'D against Cloud :(

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MarvelousGerbil
08/10/11 4:49:00 PM
#5:


In a poll? Both easily, dat SFF would kill the others

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Justin_Crossing
08/10/11 4:50:00 PM
#6:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #005
In a poll? Both easily, dat SFF would kill the others


Not talking about individual poll options. This is Link vs. "FFVII Cast sans-cloud" and etc.

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LeonhartFour
08/10/11 4:51:00 PM
#7:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #005
In a poll? Both easily, dat SFF would kill the others


You really think 50%+ prefer Link over every FFVII character not named Cloud? It's spreading himself too thin.

Especially if you throw Sephiroth into the equation.

Link didn't even get 50%+ that many times in 4-way matches, much less when you make it a 10-way.

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Xuxon
08/10/11 4:52:00 PM
#8:


From: Justin_Crossing | #006
Not talking about individual poll options. This is Link vs. "FFVII Cast sans-cloud" and etc.


Link would do better in a poll called that than one with individual poll options.
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KanzarisKelshen
08/10/11 4:53:00 PM
#9:


LeonhartFour posted...
From: MarvelousGerbil | #005
In a poll? Both easily, dat SFF would kill the others
You really think 50%+ prefer Link over every FFVII character not named Cloud? It's spreading himself too thin.

Especially if you throw Sephiroth into the equation.

Link didn't even get 50%+ that many times in 4-way matches, much less when you make it a 10-way.


If Sephiroth isn't included, definitely. That's a bonafide Ninty vs. Square situation, and the smart money is on Ninty for sure.

If he's included then yeah, FF7 cast probably wins.

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MarvelousGerbil
08/10/11 4:53:00 PM
#10:


I don't honestly feel there are all that many people that would vote for Sephy or Tifa over Cloud, hence Sephy losing to Kirby in his Link/Cloud/Kirby 4 way match, so no, Link's got it in the bag.

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LeonhartFour
08/10/11 4:55:00 PM
#11:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #010
I don't honestly feel there are all that many people that would vote for Sephy or Tifa over Cloud, hence Sephy losing to Kirby in his Link/Cloud/Kirby 4 way match, so no, Link's got it in the bag.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1367
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=845

Uhhhhhh

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MarvelousGerbil
08/10/11 4:58:00 PM
#12:


K, poor wording on my part. What I mean is, most people wouldn't vote for another FF7 character who wouldn't have voted for Cloud if he were an option. A few votes squeak by, but at the end of the day, I'd say Link could still take them because Cloud's 45% or whatever he's pulling these days just gets spread out amongst the others.

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LeonhartFour
08/10/11 4:58:00 PM
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From: KanzarisKelshen | #009
If Sephiroth isn't included, definitely. That's a bonafide Ninty vs. Square situation, and the smart money is on Ninty for sure.


Link could barely muster 50% in a poll featuring Zack Fair, Altair, and Duke Nukem.

I don't think you get how LFF works.

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PartOfYourWorld
08/10/11 5:00:00 PM
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From: LeonhartFour | #007
Link didn't even get 50%+ that many times in 4-way matches, much less when you make it a 10-way.


But this would function a lot differently than a traditional 4way match, especially if there's no bracket or anything. It becomes Nintendo v Square, and with a 1-on-9 or something, Nintendo looks like the one that can really use the help, and GameFAQs will provide it. I doubt he can do it with Sephiroth in the mix, but without Seph?

Tifa
Aeris
Yuffie
Barrett
Cid
Vincent
Red XIII
Zack Fair
Rufus (he'd definitely be stronger than Cait Sith, right?)
Link

I bet Link goes for 50% there.

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LeonhartFour
08/10/11 5:00:00 PM
#15:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #012
K, poor wording on my part. What I mean is, most people wouldn't vote for another FF7 character who wouldn't have voted for Cloud if he were an option. A few votes squeak by, but at the end of the day, I'd say Link could still take them because Cloud's 45% or whatever he's pulling these days just gets spread out amongst the others.


Okay, this is just wrong.

You've already got a poll that shows nearly 70% prefer at least one character to Cloud, and that poll doesn't even have Sephiroth in it.

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Xuxon
08/10/11 5:04:00 PM
#16:


I don't think Link breaks 50% if everyone is an option individually even without Seph there. But I think it's possible if there's only two options. It's hard to see Link losing a 1v1 poll, even if the other "1" contains multiple characters.
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Forceful_Dragon
08/10/11 5:05:00 PM
#17:


If the poll looked like this:

[_] -Link
[_] -Cast of FF7

I think Link wins.



If the poll looks like this:

[_] -Link
[_] -Aeris
[_] -Barret
[_] -Yuffie
[_] -Vincent Valentine
[_] -etc...


I think Link will get less than 50% of the total vote and will therefore "lose" to the combined cast of FF7.

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PartOfYourWorld
08/10/11 5:06:00 PM
#18:


From: LeonhartFour | #015
You've already got a poll that shows nearly 70% prefer at least one character to Cloud, and that poll doesn't even have Sephiroth in it.


Eh, I think we've seen time and time again that such votes/polls don't really "count." It's kinda like how Phoenix Wright would destroy Link in a B8 contest, but throw them together in a real match, and Link remarkably even wins the earliest of early votes. When things "count," people vote a lot differently. Majora's Mask has beaten OoT in contests here too. There's no way it wins even the first ten seconds in an actual match.

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OmarsComin
08/10/11 5:07:00 PM
#19:


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=845

Barret being near the bottom of that list is awful
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Forceful_Dragon
08/10/11 5:08:00 PM
#20:


From: PartOfYourWorld | #018
but throw them together in a real match, and Link remarkably even wins the earliest of early votes.




But I think Phoenix Wright still wins the B8 vote if it were counted separately somehow. It's just our volume compared to even the "early vote" is not enough to change much.

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LeonhartFour
08/10/11 5:08:00 PM
#21:


From: PartOfYourWorld | #018
Eh, I think we've seen time and time again that such votes/polls don't really "count." It's kinda like how Phoenix Wright would destroy Link in a B8 contest, but throw them together in a real match, and Link remarkably even wins the earliest of early votes. When things "count," people vote a lot differently. Majora's Mask has beaten OoT in contests here too. There's no way it wins even the first ten seconds in an actual match.


Probably because the first 10 seconds of a match gets more than 50 votes and it isn't all Board 8 voting. Board contests aren't a good example to use, and you know it.

When things "count," people vote a lot differently.


But we're talking about a hypothetical poll that wouldn't actually "count" for anything other than...I guess pride if you're a Link fan. But it's just way too many options, even if it's a bunch of LFF vs. one character who's independent. There are just too many options.

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Emporer_Kazbar
08/10/11 5:09:00 PM
#22:


From: PartOfYourWorld | #018
Eh, I think we've seen time and time again that such votes/polls don't really "count." It's kinda like how Phoenix Wright would destroy Link in a B8 contest, but throw them together in a real match, and Link remarkably even wins the earliest of early votes.


I don't think a B8 contest and a site-wide PotD are even close to comparable.

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pjbasis
08/10/11 5:12:00 PM
#23:


People also hate characters.

Even if someone loved Tifa and Barret, but decided that Yuffie, Cait Sith, and Vincent were all terrible characters, they might still vote Link.
It's not as simple as adding the fanbases of lesser characters.
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LeonhartFour
08/10/11 5:13:00 PM
#24:


From: pjbasis | #023
People also hate characters.

Even if someone loved Tifa and Barret, but decided that Yuffie, Cait Sith, and Vincent were all terrible characters, they might still vote Link.
It's not as simple as adding the fanbases of lesser characters.


I was assuming they'd all be individual poll options.

If you make a nameless, faceless option like "The cast of FFVII except for Cloud," then Link could get 50% on that because Link can get 50%+ on any one option.

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PartOfYourWorld
08/10/11 5:14:00 PM
#25:


From: LeonhartFour | #021
Board contests aren't a good example to use, and you know it.


True, I wanted to mention that stupid Mario favorites poll where Yoshi won, but I figure it was implied when I talked about things "counting." WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE SO BLACK AND WHITE WHEN DISCUSSING THIS STUFF.

BLACK

AND

WHITE

But we're talking about a hypothetical poll that wouldn't actually "count" for anything other than...I guess pride if you're a Link fan. But it's just way too many options, even if it's a bunch of LFF vs. one character who's independent. There are just too many options.


You give it the veneer of a contest match with pictures and stuff, and it'll "count." At least I think so. I know they are teased often, but voters typically can infer several different things from a given poll. You throw Link up there with nine FFVII characters, and it's obviously Nintendo vs. Square. The nature of the setup alone will entice people to vote Link. Of course, Sephiroth is the potential deal breaker since he's very strong, but without him, I really wouldn't be surprised if Link wins.

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pjbasis
08/10/11 5:16:00 PM
#26:


Nah I doubt it.
I don't think most people will be able to infer that, or care.
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KanzarisKelshen
08/10/11 5:20:00 PM
#27:


LeonhartFour posted...
From: KanzarisKelshen | #009
If Sephiroth isn't included, definitely. That's a bonafide Ninty vs. Square situation, and the smart money is on Ninty for sure.
Link could barely muster 50% in a poll featuring Zack Fair, Altair, and Duke Nukem.

I don't think you get how LFF works.


So you have the Square vote, the PC vote, the joke vote, the mature vote and who knows what else vs. Nintendo's core fanbase. That's more than what FF7 can pull in alone Leon, you realize that right?

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PartOfYourWorld
08/10/11 5:21:00 PM
#28:


You don't think so? I don't think we've ever seen anything more than 4 poll options in a picture poll. If it's suddenly a 10-way, it'll catch people's attention and they'll wonder what's up. They see Link. They see nine others from the same game. They'll get it. Throw Cloud against Mario/Luigi/Bowser/Peach/Toad/Wario/Waluigi and it'll be the same thing, although Mario crew would probably win that one because that's just how Nintendo vs Square goes these days.

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Forceful_Dragon
08/10/11 5:21:00 PM
#29:


From: PartOfYourWorld | #025
You give it the veneer of a contest match with pictures and stuff




If we're talking about putting the characters in different poll options then how would a picture work?

You're going to have the 1 poll option for link and like 7 more for the FF7 cast.

Would the picture feature 8 characters each with the same amount of space? Or Link on 1 side and the rest on the other?

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AlecTrevelyan006
08/10/11 5:23:00 PM
#30:


I thought what Yoblazer was pointing out was that favorite votes have as much relevance on GameFAQs contests as board 8 contests have on GameFAQs contests. Mario isn't the favorite in his own series according to favorites polls, but that doesn't hold up in real contests.

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PartOfYourWorld
08/10/11 5:24:00 PM
#31:


From: Forceful_Dragon | #029
Would the picture feature 8 characters each with the same amount of space? Or Link on 1 side and the rest on the other?


Should be even spaces to make things fair. If the picture is similar to Tidus vs. Smash Tidal Wave, then Link has a big advantage, and I'd definitely bet on him.

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Forceful_Dragon
08/10/11 5:25:00 PM
#32:


From: PartOfYourWorld | #031
Should be even spaces to make things fair. If the picture is similar to Tidus vs. Smash Tidal Wave, then Link has a big advantage, and I'd definitely bet on him.




Then yes, the FF7 cast gets at least 50% between them.

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red sox 777
08/10/11 5:29:00 PM
#33:


Cloud should be able to do it. There aren't many strong Zelda characters after Link. As for Link, he's not strong enough to do it normally, but if we put 9 FFVII characters against Link in a poll, it will be readily apparent that the whole point of the poll is to set Link a challenge against his greatest rival, FFVII. That will be considered more than just "pick your favorite character."

And for example, if the poll was Link vs. every Square character individually, I'd probably vote for Link, even though I like Crono way more. At some point adding more characters on FFVII's side just makes Link appear to be the underdog, which will help him.

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LeonhartFour
08/10/11 5:30:00 PM
#34:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #027
So you have the Square vote, the PC vote, the joke vote, the mature vote and who knows what else vs. Nintendo's core fanbase. That's more than what FF7 can pull in alone Leon, you realize that right?


You're also adding 6 more options to the poll.

I mean, yes, if people collude together to see if Link can actually get 50%, then maybe. But if you just do a straight up poll with no twists, then no, Link wouldn't get 50%.

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PartOfYourWorld
08/10/11 5:32:00 PM
#35:


From: red sox 777 | #033
And for example, if the poll was Link vs. every Square character individually, I'd probably vote for Link, even though I like Crono way more. At some point adding more characters on FFVII's side just makes Link appear to be the underdog, which will help him.


Well said. There are Mario characters I like more than Cloud, but if he were up against the entire Mario universe, he'd get my vote.

Heck, I'd probably vote Cloud over Link if Zelda, Ganon, Midna, Dark Link, Epona, etc were in the same poll.

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SpeedYoshi
08/10/11 5:36:00 PM
#36:


I read the title as Cloud Cult and got very excited

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