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KamikazePotato 09/07/11 6:47:00 AM #1: |
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http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=406378&tclass=Absolute%20Best%20Game%20Contest Rules for the contest: 1. In this contest, you only vote for a game if youve played both games in its match. Both games. This is important. 2. You have to have played them yourself, physically. Reading a Lets Play is not playing. Watching your friend or youtube is not playing. Disliking a genre is not playing. Playing the prequel/sequel is not playing. Youre the judge of how long you need to play a game before its fair to vote, but you probably shouldnt be voting for/against a 40-hour RPG if youve played the first 5 minutes. 3. All ports & remakes are grouped together. You can vote for RBY if youve only played FireRed. 4. Please vote honestly. There are plenty of contests where you can vote any way you want. The entire purpose of this contest is ruined if people dont honor the honor system. 5. In the event of a tiebreaker, the game with less C/D votes moves on. 6. One vote per person. Rallying is allowed if the people rallied also vote fairly and by the rules. Whichever game has more votes from people who have played both games (i.e. Choice A vs. Choice B) moves on. Matches last 24 hours. 7. If a game has been played by less than 8 people, it is auto-eliminated. Match template: Games A vs. Game B A. Ive played both. Vote: Game A B. Ive played both. Vote: Game B C. I havent played Game A. D. I havent played Game B. E. I havent played/don't like either one. Round 1 wrapup in the second post. Matches will resume later today. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 09/07/11 6:48:00 AM #2: |
Statistic Table for Round 1:
Stars: Visual Novels. All VNs (Umineko, Fate/Stay Night, Ever17, Sharin) and things that could be construed as a VN (Phoenix Wright, 999, Ghost Trick, Hotel Dusk) all won. B8 likes their words. RPGs. In general, if your game had lots of numbers in it, it did well. Less-played games. Just look at the statistic table and youll see how universal playrate=/=universal love. Turds: Final Fantasy. The only one left is FFX. Nothing more to be said! Nintendo. Zelda and Mario Galaxy did fine for themselves, but Mario, Fire Emblem, Melee, DCK2 most Nintendo games didnt survive the first round. Universally played games. This overlaps with Nintendo. Apparently, everyone playing you means that everyone can vote against you. As far as matches go, the split between More Played Winning Less Played Winning Even was 29-34-1 split, which is pretty even. Matches Where the More-Played Game Won: Portal 2>Grandia II Fate/Stay night>NIGHTS into dreams Castlevania: SotN>Touhou: Imperishable Night Dragon Quest VIII>Just Cause 2 F-Zero GX>Jet Force Gemini Super Mario Galaxy 2>Seiken Densetsu 3 Skies of Arcadia>Layton 3 Ghost Trick>Fire Emblem: RD Perfect Dark>Sly 2 Kingdom Hearts>WWF No Mercy Devil May Cry 3>Super Street Fighter IV Final Fantasy X>KOTOR Metal Gear Solid>Plants vs. Zombies TWEWY>Secret of Monkey Island Wind Waker>flower Super Mario Galaxy>Radiant Historia Persona 3>Ogre Battle 64 Elite Beat Agents>Resident Evil San Andreas>Civilization IV Portal>Okami Super Mario World 2>Yoshis Island Phoenix Wright: AA>Extreme Warfare Revenge Kingdom Hearts II>Tales of the Abyss Xenogears>Resident Evil 3 Resident Evil 4>Misadventures of Tron Bonne Hotel Dusk>WarioWare: Twisted! Zelda: LTTP>Oblivion Diablo II>MVP Baseball 2005 MGS2>Star Ocean 2 Matches Where the Less-Played Game Won: Umineko>Legend of Zelda Jak II>Secret of Mana Bioshock>Fire Emblem Metal Gear Solid 3>Final Fantasy Tactics Lufia II>Super Mario World Heroes of Might & Magic III Complete>Shadow of the Colossus Majora's Mask>Pokemon RBY Nier>Call of Duty 4 Zone of the Enders 2>Super Mario 64 Persona 4>Starcraft Shadow Hearts: Covenant>FFVII Mass Effect 2>Earthbound Tales of Vesperia>SSBM Suikoden II>FFIX Devil Survivor>Chrono Cross Half-Life 2>FFXII Eternal Darkness>Path of Radiance Dragon Quarter>VVVVVV Ar Tonelico II>Disgaea Phoenix Wright 3>Tales of Symphonia Shadow Hearts>Zero Mission Killer7>Metroid Prime Silent Hill 2>FFVIII 999>Spyro the Dragon Mother 3> Super Mario Bros. 3 Uncharted 2>Mario Party 2 Lunar: SSS>Links Awakening Sharin no Kuni>Shining Force II Planescape: Torment>Sonic 3 & Knuckles Shenmue>Ocarina of Time Fairy Tale Adventures 2>Final Fantasy VI Xenosaga 3>Super Metroid Valkyria Chronicles>Donkey Kong Country 2 TimeSplitters: Future Perfect>SA2B Matches With Equal Playrate: Ever17>Suikoden V -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KCF0107 09/08/11 7:16:00 AM #3: |
KamikazePotato posted...
Diablo II>MVP Baseball 2005 You will be missed MVP Baseball 2005 -- "Anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?" -Royal "Oh sure, walk to the sun"- Guybrush ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 09/08/11 8:33:00 AM #4: |
Umineko no Naku Koro ni vs. Jak II
[2] A. Ive played both. Vote: Umineko no Naku Koro ni [5] B. Ive played both. Vote: Jak II [7] C. I havent played Umineko no Naku Koro ni. [10] D. I havent played Jak II. [15] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Bioshock vs. Portal 2 [8] A. Ive played both. Vote: Bioshock [9] B. Ive played both. Vote: Portal 2 [2] C. I havent played Bioshock. [6] D. I havent played Portal 2. [14] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 39 Jak II continues its 'warpath', while Portal 2 edges out Bioshock. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 09/09/11 8:33:00 AM #5: |
Fate/Stay Night vs. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
[11] A. Ive played both. Vote: Fate/Stay Night [6] B. Ive played both. Vote: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night [17] C. I havent played Fate/Stay Night. [3] D. I havent played Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. [9] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Metal Gear Solid 3 vs. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King [16] A. Ive played both. Vote: Metal Gear Solid 3 [7] B. Ive played both. Vote: Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King [6] C. I havent played Metal Gear Solid 3. [7] D. I havent played Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King. [10] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 46 Neither match was ever in doubt. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KCF0107 09/10/11 11:17:00 AM #6: |
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LeonhartFour 09/10/11 11:44:00 AM #7: |
Round 2 off to a great start
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KCF0107 09/11/11 1:22:00 PM #8: |
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KamikazePotato 09/11/11 1:23:00 PM #9: |
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Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals vs. Heroes of Might & Magic III Complete [3] A. Ive played both. Vote: Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals [3] B. Ive played both. Vote: Heroes of Might & Magic III Complete [1] C. I havent played Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals. [10] D. I havent played Heroes of Might & Magic III Complete. [19] E. I havent played/don't like either one. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask vs. Nier [1] A. Ive played both. Vote: The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask [10] B. Ive played both. Vote: Nier [1] C. I havent played The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask. [18] D. I havent played Nier. [6] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 36 Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner vs. F-Zero GX [5] A. Ive played both. Vote: Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner [3] B. Ive played both. Vote: F-Zero GX [11] C. I havent played Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner. [2] D. I havent played F-Zero GX. [18] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 vs. Shadow Hearts: Covenant [7] A. Ive played both. Vote: Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 [3] B. Ive played both. Vote: Shadow Hearts: Covenant [3] C. I havent played Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4. [11] D. I havent played Shadow Hearts: Covenant. [15] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 39 -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 09/12/11 10:30:00 AM #10: |
Yesterday's (unofficial) results:
Super Mario Galaxy 2 vs. Skies of Arcadia [11] A. Ive played both. Vote: Super Mario Galaxy 2 [5] B. Ive played both. Vote: Skies of Arcadia [8] C. I havent played Super Mario Galaxy 2. [2] D. I havent played Skies of Arcadia. [13] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Ghost Trick vs. Mass Effect 2 [4] A. Ive played both. Vote: Ghost Trick [7] B. Ive played both. Vote: Mass Effect 2 [9] C. I havent played Ghost Trick. [5] D. I havent played Mass Effect 2. [15] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Galaxy 2 continues to defy the trends when it comes to Mario games: Relatively low play rate (Lower than Skies of Arcadia here by a decent bit, in fact) but a high amount of love. Ghost Trick stayed relatively close to ME2, but ME2 led the whole way. -- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 09/13/11 10:41:00 AM #11: |
Tales of Vesperia vs. Perfect Dark
[10] A. Ive played both. Vote: Tales of Vesperia [4] B. Ive played both. Vote: Perfect Dark [12] C. I havent played Tales of Vesperia. [5] D. I havent played Perfect Dark. [6] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Suikoden II vs. Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor [3] A. Ive played both. Vote: Suikoden II [6] B. Ive played both. Vote: Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor [3] C. I havent played Suikoden II. [6] D. I havent played Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor. [19] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 37 Some people haven't played Vesperia, but those who have prefer it over PD. Most people haven't played Devil Survivor or Suikoden II, but those who did prefer Devil Survivor. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 09/14/11 8:34:00 AM #12: |
Half-Life 2 vs. Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
[8] A. Ive played both. Vote: Half-Life 2 [6] B. Ive played both. Vote: Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem [5] C. I havent played Half-Life 2. [7] D. I havent played Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem. [10] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Shadow Hearts vs. Kingdom Hearts [12] A. Ive played both. Vote: Shadow Hearts [2] B. Ive played both. Vote: Kingdom Hearts [12] C. I havent played Shadow Hearts. [1] D. I havent played Kingdom Hearts. [9] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 37 In a match with seemingly equal admiration and playrate, HL2 edges out Eternal Darkness. In the second match...Shadow Hearts just plain wrecks KH1. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 09/15/11 9:13:00 AM #13: |
Devil May Cry 3 vs. Final Fantasy X
[13] A. Ive played both. Vote: Devil May Cry 3 [11] B. Ive played both. Vote: Final Fantasy X [12] C. I havent played Devil May Cry 3. [1] D. I havent played Final Fantasy X. [7] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Killer7 vs. Metal Gear Solid [5] A. Ive played both. Vote: Killer7 [10] B. Ive played both. Vote: Metal Gear Solid [15] C. I havent played Killer7. [] D. I havent played Metal Gear Solid. [14] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 44 The last FF rep goes down, but the MGS series keeps on trucking. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 09/16/11 9:24:00 AM #14: |
The World Ends with You vs. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
[13] A. Ive played both. Vote: The World Ends with You [14] B. Ive played both. Vote: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker [8] C. I havent played The World Ends with You. [2] D. I havent played The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker . [7] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 44 Super Mario Galaxy vs. Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter [7] A. Ive played both. Vote: Super Mario Galaxy [7] B. Ive played both. Vote: Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter [2] C. I havent played Super Mario Galaxy. [19] D. I havent played Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter. [8] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 43 Close matches, but both Nintendo games advance, which may be a first for this contest. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xp1337 09/16/11 4:33:00 PM #15: |
I am amazed Wind Waker won that match. Maybe I've bought into the uh... anti-hype for WW and thought it was less liked here, but I thought it'd get crushed against TWEWY, which I thought was a (minor) board favorite.
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KamikazePotato 09/17/11 9:25:00 AM #16: |
Ar tonelico II: Melody of Metafalica vs. Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations
[5] A. Ive played both. Vote: Ar tonelico II: Melody of Metafalica [0] B. Ive played both. Vote: Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations [16] C. I havent played Ar tonelico II: Melody of Metafalica. [1] D. I havent played Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations. [10] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 vs. Elite Beat Agents [11] A. Ive played both. Vote: Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 [4] B. Ive played both. Vote: Elite Beat Agents [1] C. I havent played Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3. [7] D. I havent played Elite Beat Agents. [9] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 32 Persona 3 handles EBA. Ar Tonelico II shuts out Phoenix Wright 3...but only 6 people have played it, so it gets auto-eliminated. Them's the breaks! -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/17/11 12:33:00 PM #17: |
From: KamikazePotato | #016 Dude what Ar Tonelico got 10 votes where both people played it last round so this auto elimination makes no sense. That rule makes no sense in fact since it's highly dependent on vote totals for the day. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 09/18/11 11:21:00 AM #18: |
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas vs. Silent Hill 2
[5] A. Ive played both. Vote: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [9] B. Ive played both. Vote: Silent Hill 2 [3] C. I havent played Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. [11] D. I havent played Silent Hill 2. [15] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors vs. Portal [9] A. Ive played both. Vote: Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors [4] B. Ive played both. Vote: Portal [21] C. I havent played Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors. [1] D. I havent played Portal. [8] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 43 After a few days of more-played games prevailing, obscurity gets back to winning. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 09/19/11 12:52:00 PM #19: |
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island vs. Ever17 -the out of infinity-
[3] A. Ive played both. Vote: Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island [10] B. Ive played both. Vote: Ever17 -the out of infinity- [2] C. I havent played Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. [21] D. I havent played Ever17 -the out of infinity-. [5] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Mother 3 vs. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves [8] A. Ive played both. Vote: Mother 3 [6] B. Ive played both. Vote: Uncharted 2: Among Thieves [12] C. I havent played Mother 3. [4] D. I havent played Uncharted 2: Among Thieves. [11] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 41 Playrates: Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island: 82.93% Ever17 -the out of infinity-: 36.59% Mother 3: 43.90% Uncharted 2: Among Thieves: 63.41% We currently have a Round 3 match with two games never released outside of Japan. Fun! -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KCF0107 09/19/11 2:25:00 PM #20: |
It won't be long before I cannot answer with "A" or "B"
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Articuno2001 09/19/11 2:29:00 PM #21: |
From: KamikazePotato | #019 huh? Ever17 was released in the US >_> -- 2010 Game of the Decade Contest - some guy named Black Turtle won the guru for this http://backloggery.com/articuno2001/sig.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xp1337 09/19/11 3:05:00 PM #22: |
Out of curiosity, since it seems the DQ rule has switched to %-based rather than a static number, does that apply retroactively? I think Ar tonelico II is the only one that would be affected. I admit I'm a bit biased here in that I really like it, but my understanding is that these changes are not applied retroactively and the previous results stand. Which I don't have a problem with, any other stance is arguably trouble, even if the cost is seeing a game I like get knocked out.
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KamikazePotato 09/19/11 3:14:00 PM #23: |
Changes aren't applied retroactively. Fairy Tale 2 wasn't eliminated when I added that rule, ect. The rules were there for a while, so it wouldn't be fair to change them to suit a game in the middle of a match.
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xp1337 09/19/11 3:18:00 PM #24: |
Yeah, I figured. Just wanted to make sure. Didn't know if modification of an existing rule was considered any different than just adding a DQ rule in. Retroactively applying the latter would absolutely be unfair, I could have seen a case argued either way for the former, but yeah, safe route is to keep everything as it is.
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KCF0107 09/20/11 6:52:00 PM #25: |
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KamikazePotato 09/20/11 10:13:00 PM #26: |
Lunar: Silver Star Story vs. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
[10] A. Ive played both. Vote: Lunar: Silver Star Story [9] B. Ive played both. Vote: Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney [20] C. I havent played Lunar: Silver Star Story. [3] D. I havent played Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. [6] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Kingdom Hearts II vs. Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shoujo [3] A. Ive played both. Vote: Kingdom Hearts II [6] B. Ive played both. Vote: Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shoujo [2] C. I havent played Kingdom Hearts II. [23] D. I havent played Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shoujo. [14] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 48 Playrates: Lunar: Silver Star Story: 45.83% Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: 81.25% Kingdom Hearts II: 66.66% Sharin no Kuni; Himawari no Shoujo: 22.92% -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 09/21/11 1:49:00 PM #27: |
Planescape: Torment vs. Xenogears
[4] A. Ive played both. Vote: Planescape: Torment [3] B. Ive played both. Vote: Xenogears [7] C. I havent played Planescape: Torment. [2] D. I havent played Xenogears. [19] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Shenmue vs. Fairy Tail Adventure 2: Halls of the Dead [0] A. Ive played both. Vote: Shenmue [0] B. Ive played both. Vote: Fairy Tail Adventure 2: Halls of the Dead [4] C. I havent played Shenmue. [10] D. I havent played Fairy Tail Adventure 2: Halls of the Dead. [21] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 35 Playrate: Planescape: Torment: 25.71% Xenogears: 40% Shenmue: 40% Fairy Tale Adventure 2: Halls of the Dead: 11.43% Planescape edges out Xenogears. As for the second match - it took a while, but we finally got one with no votes! Auto-elimination, tiebreaker, take your pick, Shenmue is moving on. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KCF0107 09/22/11 3:25:00 PM #28: |
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KamikazePotato 09/23/11 7:30:00 AM #29: |
Resident Evil 4 vs. Hotel Dusk: Room 215
[10] A. Ive played both. Vote: Resident Evil 4 [4] B. Ive played both. Vote: Hotel Dusk: Room 215 [4] C. I havent played Resident Evil 4. [20] D. I havent played Hotel Dusk: Room 215. [7] E. I havent played/don't like either one. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. Diablo II [10] A. Ive played both. Vote: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past [11] B. Ive played both. Vote: Diablo II [0] C. I havent played The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. [18] D. I havent played Diablo II. [6] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 45 LTTP falls, but RE4 isn't have any of this 'upset' stuff. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KCF0107 09/24/11 7:44:00 AM #30: |
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KamikazePotato 09/24/11 9:04:00 AM #31: |
Xenosaga Episode III: Also Sprach Zarathustra vs. Valkyria Chronicles
[3] A. Ive played both. Vote: Xenosaga Episode III: Also Sprach Zarathustra [3] B. Ive played both. Vote: Valkyria Chronicles [8] C. I havent played Xenosaga Episode III: Also Sprach Zarathustra. [6] D. I havent played Valkyria Chronicles. [15] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty vs. TimeSplitters: Future Perfect [5] A. Ive played both. Vote: Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty [2] B. Ive played both. Vote: TimeSplitters: Future Perfect [4] C. I havent played Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty. [15] D. I havent played TimeSplitters: Future Perfect. [9] E. I havent played/don't like either one. Total Votes: 35 A late vote would have given Xenosaga the win, but it came after the 24 hour mark. Valkyria Chronicles and MGS2 advance. Round 3 will start tomorrow. It'll still be 2 matches a day - I think it's necessary for one more round. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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