Board 8 > The parallels between MGS2 and 9/11always get me.

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BlitzKing900
09/11/11 3:29:00 AM
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MGS2 was being finalised around September 2001. Some of the ending scene was cut out because of the parallels between *spoilers* Arsenal Gear hitting the city and the Twin Towers.

Both occured in NYC/Lower New York harbour. Both involved terrorism. It is a perfect day on the Big Shell like it was on 9/11. Both events begin early in the morning. Even the final scene with the American flag fluttering in the wind captures the moment.

The fact that the whole game revolves around liberty, freedom and general American traits always reminds me about that day. Even though I live on the other side of the world.

Snake's final speech on passing the torch, generations and life is extremely fitting.

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TheRock1525
09/11/11 3:35:00 AM
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A character named Chinaman, originally planned to be included as a villain, was later on omitted and his abilities incorporated in Vamp. Namely the ability to walk on water and walls. Chinaman would have movements modeled after Jet Li and have a body tattoo of a dragon that would come alive as soon as he dove into water.

Oh you silly MGS2 you.

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Liquid Wind
09/11/11 3:37:00 AM
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the arsenal removal always bugs me, the entire game carries an anti-censorship message and then they go and censor it because they're afraid of the cable news/braindead parents with too much time on their hands attack machine
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TheRock1525
09/11/11 3:39:00 AM
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Liquid Wind posted...
the arsenal removal always bugs me, the entire game carries an anti-censorship message and then they go and censor it because they're afraid of the cable news/braindead parents with too much time on their hands attack machine

That's assuming the only reason they changed was because of that. Perhaps the creators themselves didn't feel comfortable with it after 9/11.

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Emporer_Kazbar
09/11/11 4:05:00 AM
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I really wish they would re-add that scene in the upcoming HD collection. Doubt it'll happen though.

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ZFS
09/11/11 4:07:00 AM
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It's easy to look at it that way now. I think removing Arsenal Gear crashing through Manhattan was done primarily out of sensitivity to Americans and what we were going through at the time. It would be one thing to remove that today, but back then, only two months after the event? Understandable. That was a case where the consensus opinion among the team was almost certainly "too soon."

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FAHtastic
09/11/11 4:17:00 AM
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Yeah, it's like cancelling Disaster Report 4 after the Japanese Earthquake.



Which was stupid, DELAY IT, don't CANCEL IT!! I'm hard up for disaster games as it is.

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Iamdead7
09/11/11 4:21:00 AM
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Yeah, I think removing the scenes then was a good idea, but they can be added back in now.

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The Real Truth
09/11/11 8:08:00 AM
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MGS2 is indeed one of the best games ever.

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PrivateBiscuit1
09/11/11 8:19:00 AM
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MGS2 is indeed one of the worst games ever.

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rammtay
09/11/11 8:25:00 AM
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^lol
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_MSS_
09/11/11 8:26:00 AM
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MGS2 is indeed one of the best games ever.

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Iamdead7
09/11/11 9:07:00 AM
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MGS2 is better than 1 >_>

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Emporer_Kazbar
09/11/11 9:21:00 AM
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From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #010
MGS2 is indeed one of the worst games ever.


This is objectively wrong

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Liquid Wind
09/11/11 9:23:00 AM
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eh, I might prefer MGS2 for gameplay reasons, but as far as storytelling goes(what people actually judge kojima's games on), MGS3 > MGS > MGS2 = MGS4
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PrivateBiscuit1
09/11/11 9:28:00 AM
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Emporer_Kazbar posted...
From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #010
MGS2 is indeed one of the worst games ever.
This is objectively wrong


That's fair. Let me rephrase.

MGS2 is indeed one of the worst games ever concerning plot that insists you take it seriously.

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Jeff Zero
09/11/11 9:31:00 AM
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MGS3 > MGS4 > MGS1 > MGS2

I still give MGS2 an 8.8 though. And yes, the parallels are something else.

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Demon HunterX
09/11/11 9:38:00 AM
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MGS1 and 2 are significantly better than 3 and 4.......3 and 4 are still good though.

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Rad Link 5
09/11/11 9:40:00 AM
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Be careful; I once got modded for noting the parallels between Shin Megami Tensei and the disasters in Japan.

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ShadowHalo17
09/11/11 9:45:00 AM
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MGS2 is indeed one of the best games ever.

It just so happens that 3, 1, and 4 are better. Actually I'm only positive about 3 being better, the other two are about equal.

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