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Silvercross posted...
The Perfect Controller

360's basic shell
360's triggers
360's sticks + stick layout
DS3's face buttons
DS3's directional pad
DS3's charging capability

360's shell
360's triggers
360's sticks + layout
Whatever for face buttons, hard to mess those up
CC D-pad, a tad bigger
DS3's charging capability

Fix'd.

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thundersheep posted...
A quick Google search tells me that the word literally means, "in a literally manner, word for word" or as an intensifier as already mentioned. If my definition of a d-pad working correctly is a controller that correctly reads the movements you've made with it's d-pad... the 360 one does not work correctly. You can argue that no extra emphasis was needed, but I'm not sure how it was wrong.

I'd understand if I said something like "I'm literally sweating my balls off" since that's kind of impossible. But I can't see what's so ridiculous about saying the d-pad does not work.


If you can't see what's wrong with saying "Literally. The 360 d-pad literally does not work correctly," then I really don't need to continue this debate.

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Gamecube controller R1/L1 imo.

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mostly agree with silvercross' post but

I think the 360's triggers could use a little re-alignment. RT/LT are great and should stay the same, but RB/LB are pretty awkward and should be relocated or eliminated entirely

I don't see a big enough difference with the face buttons to make note of it, although I do think the DS3's shapes are more recognizable where the 360 controller uses letters but in a different order than classically(SNES layout), ie they did it WRONG

sorry MS, it doesn't matter that nintendo is terrible now and I use the 360 controller more,

X
YA
B

is the only acceptable alphabetical button scheme, if this is copyrighted or something, then do what sony did and use something else entirely

I'm assuming he means the context-sensitivity of the DS3's face buttons, which is something the 360 doesn't have.

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From: Liquid Wind | #052
I don't see a big enough difference with the face buttons to make note of it, although I do think the DS3's shapes are more recognizable where the 360 controller uses letters but in a different order than classically(SNES layout), ie they did it WRONG

I have always thought that the SNES needed to switch the X and Y buttons. Why is the X button on the Y-axis and vice versa?

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From: StealThisSheen | #053
If you can't see what's wrong with saying "Literally. The 360 d-pad literally does not work correctly," then I really don't need to continue this debate.

It was never supposed to be a debate. But at worst it's unnecessary, in no way is it incorrect. Unless you simply mean it does work correctly. In which case I'd love to see that controller.

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ZFS posted...
I'm assuming he means the context-sensitivity of the DS3's face buttons, which is something the 360 doesn't have.

Pretty much this.

I was also thinking about the way the face buttons are flat and more responsive, whereas, the 360 buttons are slightly convex and are slightly more resistant to pressure. Not a big issue, but the PS3 face buttons are slightly better.

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Infact this is kinda why I feel Classix is awesome.

S's d-pad is a pile of ass that deserves to get banished into oblivion.
Dualshock's is imprecise and breaks easily for some reason.

ClassiX? Perfect D-pad. Too bad it has to be with the Wii Mote

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Silvercross posted...
I was also thinking about the way the face buttons are flat and more responsive, whereas, the 360 buttons are slightly convex and are slightly more resistant to pressure. Not a big issue, but the PS3 face buttons are slightly better.

Yeah, I'd agree with this as well.

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thundersheep posted...
It was never supposed to be a debate. But at worst it's unnecessary, in no way is it incorrect. Unless you simply mean it does work correctly. In which case I'd love to see that controller.


So you made a broad, sweeping generalization based off of the fighting genre, and don't see how you could possibly be incorrect.

I assume that means that when I play CoD, or L4D, etc., and need to press Up, or Left, whatever to select something, I'm just fooling myself into thinking that I can do that with no problem, because my d-pad "literally does not work correctly."

And you don't troll, right?

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people playing FPS on consoles lol

the 360 Dpad makes it extremely hard to play old platformers.. I died so much in SMW because of that D-Pad.

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From: StealThisSheen | #062
From: thundersheep
It was never supposed to be a debate. But at worst it's unnecessary, in no way is it incorrect. Unless you simply mean it does work correctly. In which case I'd love to see that controller.


So you made a broad, sweeping generalization based off of the fighting genre, and don't see how you could possibly be incorrect.

I assume that means that when I play CoD, or L4D, etc., and need to press Up, or Left, whatever to select something, I'm just fooling myself into thinking that I can do that with no problem, because my d-pad "literally does not work correctly."

And you don't troll, right?

Well I've used it for a couple other games and while it makes the correct response a lot of the time, I've still had instances where I press a certain direction and the games tells me otherwise. Since I've literally never had that happen with a face button or any other controller's d-pad... yeah. Does not work correctly.

The only reason it's so easy to notice in fighting games is because you're making a lot more movements in a much smaller amount of time.

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thundersheep posted...
Well I've used it for a couple other games and while it makes the correct response a lot of the time, I've still had instances where I press a certain direction and the games tells me otherwise. Since I've literally never had that happen with a face button or any other controller's d-pad... yeah. Does not work correctly.

The only reason it's so easy to notice in fighting games is because you're making a lot more movements in a much smaller amount of time.


Considering so few games actually use it for more than "Press Up to turn on nightvision," the main genre being fighters, which most use fight pads or sticks, anyway... Thus causing Microsoft to not have enough demand to actually fix it, I'm going to assume the majority of people don't have a problem when they're not using it for a fighter or... SMW, somehow.

So I'm going to say that your anecdotal evidence doesn't mean the d-pad "literally does not work correctly."

Thus you're using "literally" wrong.

Thus the subject of my pet peeve.

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The D-Pad works correctly as long as you don't try to change direction often, then it kinda fails since it makes it too easy to '' hit '' the diagonals.

For most games it's good enough.

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they actually did put out a newer controller with a different Dpad that is supposedly a lot better, I haven't used it though

Yeah, I'm not defending it. It's not a good d-pad at all. It works, though.

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Liquid Wind posted...
they actually did put out a newer controller with a different Dpad that is supposedly a lot better, I haven't used it though

I just saw it today, didn't had the time to try a game with it but just going by the feel of the thing it's definitely 10x better.

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Alrighty. If you can use it for a game like SMW without encountering any problems...my bad. I'm talking about the difference between getting "up" and "up-right" when using the thing. From my experience it wouldn't be great for precise 2D platforming either. Again, if I'm just terrible with it then sorry. But it's always seemed pretty useless to me.

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I guess you get used to it as you get used to anything but it might take a bit longer.

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I wouldn't ever use the 360's d-pad for a 2D platformer. I would rather use a keyboard before that.

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