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(4) Mordekaiser From League of Legends, Mordekaiser is the Master of Metal, and general of a vast undead army. He is a malevolent entity that inhabits a massive suit of armor that feeds on disease and misery. Among his abilities are the ability to supercharge his weapon of choice, a massive mace, with evil energy, generate a tornado of scrap that tears those around him to pieces, siphon the lifeforce off his foes and at it to his own, and place a curse that quicklly saps the life out of its target, creating a ghostly image even more powerful than the original.
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(5) Ryu Hayabusa Ryu Hayabusa is the protagonist of the Ninja Gaiden series. A skilled ninja, Ryu has achieved powers beyond those of normal humans. He can jump higher and further (as well as multiple times), and is stronger, faster, and more flexible than average humans. Ryu is a master swordfighter and archer, and was able to wield the Dabilahro, a 100-pound sword, with little difficulty, as well as flawlessly deflect a stream of minigun fire from an attack helicopter using only a sword. He can attack an opponent in mid-air by floating and can also teleport by disappearing in a cloud of dust. He possesses a variety of Ninpo and Shuriken, which grant him a variety of ranged and elemental attacks.
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Note that the following is mostly game mechanics, as Mordekaiser doesn't have many 'cutscene' showings yet:
-Mordekaiser is the single most powerful nuker in League of Legends if he gets into somebody's face. Due to a quirk in the way the engine works, with the right item Mordekaiser's fastest-recharging spell has a ratio of Ability Power (magic ability in other words) that outstrips even Ultimates, powerful spells that almost always have a cooldown of a minute or more in a game that usually lasts 30 minutes. Said spell, with appropriate items, recharges every two seconds and a half, and it's important to note that the power of a League of Legends Champion in a summoning match is always just a shade of their actual abilities - another champion is an unstoppable force that is completely immune to anything but magic powerful enough to devastate whole continents for instance. -Going into melee with him is suicide. Not only does the aforementioned spell have the ability to leave Ryu very hurt or dead outright with one blow, but another trick up Mordekaiser's sleeve is his ability to create a tornado of metal that swirls around him. This blade barrier has the second highest base damage of all abilities in the game and scales super heavily with items (and it, too, hits as hard or harder than most Ultimates if an enemy bears the full brunt of it, from the get-go). It also amplifies his ability to resist damage. -If Ryu tries to stay at range, Mordekaiser has the ability to inflict him with deadly disease from afar (or flat-out sap his life, take your pick). He just has to lift a hand and boom, Ryu is hurt. No way to dodge besides not being in range. -The curse is not to be underestimated. With only its base values, it leeches off a third of an enemy's health, guaranteed, no questions asked, and gives it to Mordekaiser. Half of it is a burst heal, the other half happens over ten seconds. It also scales fast with AP. -And lastly, Mordekaiser has his shield. Every attack he lands empowers him: A part of the damage he deals is converted into a potent shield that protects him from damage. He's already an animated suit of armor, so killing him isn't easy, but on top of that the more this fight drags the more dangerous he'll get.
Timestamping Ryu vids. Unless someone beats me to the punch they'll come in a short while.
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From: Pirateking2000 | #004 I dunno about the tornado of metal
I mean Ryu tanked a huge ****ing explosion (points to armadillo boss)
If a piece of metal flies through his head at high speeds he's dead, explosion tanking or not. This isn't very avoidable either - it surrounds Morde from top to bottom.
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From: Pirateking2000 | #006 How big is Mordekaiser anyway if you had to estimate (just curious)
Eight feet tall, no estimations necessary. His bio clears that up.
(man, he could really use a League Judgement. That might provide some showings for him)
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Guess I'll wait until seeing what ryu's elemental attacks are like before making a final decision, but I think that for this contest, peak Mordekaiser would have both thornmail and a banshee's veil (not sure what else beyond that). So unless Ryu has some pretty good elemental attacks, I think the reflected damage from thornmail is going to do most of the work for this match.
From: BlackMetalex | #009 Guess I'll wait until seeing what ryu's elemental attacks are like before making a final decision, but I think that for this contest, peak Mordekaiser would have both thornmail and a banshee's veil (not sure what else beyond that). So unless Ryu has some pretty good elemental attacks, I think the reflected damage from thornmail is going to do most of the work for this match.
I'd argue Peak Morde would actually have a Hextech Gunblade, Lichbane, Guardian Angel, Rabadon's Deathcap, Sorc Shoes, and either Evil Tome or Voidstaff, whichever you prefer. This means he gets up from dying, he can slow his enemy from afar, he has the broken spell trick that was the focus of the first bulletpoint, and his curse saps...what, half of Ryu's life or so? Banshee's would be really handy too though, admittedly.
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For elemental attacks Ryu's ninpo appears being strong
I think he has
"Inferno fireball of death"
"Thunderstorm of Death"
"Ice Storm of Death"
"Black Hole Void Bullet Shot"
"Phoenix Bird Shields"
"Fire ball shields"
and a couple others I think no?
also the True Dragon Sword + That other sword he can dual wield (the one the black spider clan leader gives him) have special properties (Dragon Sword with Dragon's eye gem thing) etc.
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From: Pirateking2000 | #008 mmk also how tanky is he + personality
Couldn't Ryu just flying swallow him?
Pretty beefy. Huge metal armor with two different defense boosters. As for personality, he's brutal, looks down upon others (he even talks down to his summoner, AKA the player when in a match), and revels in using his abilities.
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From: Pirateking2000 | #014 Also would Ryu have access to all of his ninja weapons (tonfas Dark Dragon Blade etc) or is he just going to have True Dragon Sword?
Or True Dragon Sword + Black Spider Clan Leader's Sword?
What weapons he uses canonically. In other words no hyperspace arsenal, just what you'd expect him to have normally. No 11th hour weapons either.
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BSCS could also fit if he chooses to dual wield. In cutscenes though he is usually shown with just the TDS (though he was shown taking the sword from the BSCL I believe) so yeah
besides TDS is his most broken / hax weapon anyway I think.(unless we are dragging unlabored flawlessness into this lmao)
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Would Mordekaiser even get purchased items? They're certainly not belongings of his. If he wants to use an item, he has to buy it from the shop. He doesn't even get to keep it, but instead has to buy it again every time he enters a new match.
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-He flies. Or rather, glides on air currents, but he does so without any tool assistance that I can see. Starts 3 minutes in here: -Styles with an explosion in the background. I think this is what PK was talking about, but I personally wouldn't use it as a tanking feat. Starts at 2:13: -Showings of skill. Gameplay, but in theory not too bad:
More to come, but this should be a start.
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From: LlednarTwem | #018 Would Mordekaiser even get purchased items? They're certainly not belongings of his. If he wants to use an item, he has to buy it from the shop. He doesn't even get to keep it, but instead has to buy it again every time he enters a new match.
Honestly? Mordekaiser doesn't need them. The items are intended to bring the champions up to their *actual* power level and still don't do the trick in most cases. Given the wide power disparity between champions like Heimerdinger (very low end) and Nocturne (unstoppable monster that requires rune magic to stop), the Fields of Justice basically balance the scales. Mordekaiser is on the upper end, what with his ability to inflict disease and will and his implacability. Not the absolute top, but definitely up there.
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KanzarisKelshen posted... Honestly? Mordekaiser doesn't need them. The items are intended to bring the champions up to their *actual* power level and still don't do the trick in most cases. Given the wide power disparity between champions like Heimerdinger (very low end) and Nocturne (unstoppable monster that requires rune magic to stop), the Fields of Justice basically balance the scales. Mordekaiser is on the upper end, what with his ability to inflict disease and will and his implacability. Not the absolute top, but definitely up there.
It may well be that he wouldn't need them. I know basically nothing about him, in both gameplay and lore. I mainly just want to get it out of the way to account for effects that would be provided purely though items. Such as, for example, "the reflected damage from thornmail".
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Ninpo attacks for those curious. Still fishing for the best showings. My kingdom for a vid of blocks!
(Ninpo) Ninpo is the Spiritual and Philosophical Arts, in contrast to Ninjutsu's Martial Arts. In Ninja Gaiden, Ninpo are Spiritual Arts that require intensive meditative focus to master, as well as secret instructions to initiating them which are usually found in ancient scrolls. Ryu has mastered many of these Ninpo Arts.
* Art of the Fire Wheels: Ryu focuses his mind on spiritual waveforms around himself and creates fire wheels that encircle him. This is mostly a defensive ninpo used as a shield in the heat of battle.
* Art of Flying Fire Wheels: A variation of the firewheel art, except Ryu mentally focuses the flames in an upwards direction once they form. This variation was only used in the NES trilogy.
* Art of the Flame Phoenix: This ninpo art allows Ryu to summon the sacred spirts of phoenixes to protect him with their holy flames. It is similar to the Art of the Fire Wheels except it lasts longer, however the length of time this ninpo is active for diminishes as the phoenix spirits take damage. Essentially replacing the Art of the Fire Wheels in Ninja Gaiden 2.
* Art of the Inferno: Focusing his mind, Ryu creates pyrokinetic flames that envelope him and then using his telekinetic ability to control these flames. Over the course of his journey, Ryu has varied this ninpo, mastering it into a deadlier form each time. Originally it was an enveloping flame Ryu focused into a fireball and blasted it into his opponent. Later on it evolved into a large ball of fire that would move where ever Ryu willed it, and hot enough burn through steel like substances. Finally Ryu perfected the art, matching the flames of a dragon's breath, in this variation Ryu would form 1-3 dragon flame like fireballs over his head, and send them slamming down on any enemy unlucky enough to get caught in the blast.
* Art of the Ice Storm: By manipulating the atmospheric conditions around him, a vertical whirlwind of ice emerges encircling Ryu, any enemy caught in this Ice Storm will be frozen in place as ice shards repeatedly pierce into them. In Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword Ryu improves his skill with this art to the point that he is able to launch ice shards in which ever direction his mind wills it to. Out of battle it can be used to put out fire barriers.
* Art of the Hurricane: Concentrating on manipulating the air in front of him in a spinning motion Ryu creates a twister, which leaves a path of devastation for enemies caught in the twister as Ryu guides it's movements with his mind. Outside of battles it is used to turn ancient wind turbines found in ruins. It is one of the two ninpo arts exclusive to Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword.
* Art of the Wind Blades: 1-3 sharp waves of vacuum are created and amplified as Ryu moves his arms at lightning fast speeds, they then radiate outwards in the direction Ryu swings his arm, slicing everything in their path. Crowds of enemies caught directly in path of these vacuum blades are cut to pieces while those on the outer edge only lose a limb or two.
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* Art of Vacuum Wave: This is a variation of the Wind Blades Ninpo, which instead sends vacuum blades simultaneously in an upwards and downwards direction, even though solid objects to strike out of reach enemies. It is used by Ryu in Ninja Gaiden III: The Ancient Ship of Doom.
* Art of the Inazuma: Amplifying the bio electric currents in his body, Ryu is able to quickly charge up electricity in his body, which is then instantly blasted outwards as lightning striking all enemies in the vicinity. Outside of battle this is used to destroy boulders of large rocks. Ryu gains the ninpo scroll for this ability after defeating the electric worm boss.
* Art of Divine Life: By concentrating and focusing his mind, Ryu is able to turn ki energy into blue essences, fully restoring his spiritual health. This is the other of the two ninpo arts exclusive to Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword due to the lack of healing items in the game.
* Art of the Piercing Void: The most destructive ninpo in Ryu's arsenal. Ryu first focuses his telekinetic energy created by centripetal vibrations in his lower dantian or ki focal point, then forms the energy using gravitational waves propagated from his conscious spirit, resulting in a rotating black hole trapped inside a semi permeable spiritual force field that keeps it stable. Because of the semi permeable nature of the force field around the black hole, time space fluctuations occur around the black hole as Ryu sends it flying off, it's gravitational pull is great enough to rip the environment around it apart and pull debris encircling into the black hole as it speeds away. Enemies caught in it's path are instantly destroyed, even piercing through multiple enemies before dissipating. Most boss enemies can survive the black hole, but suffer massive damage leaving them vulnerable to a finishing blow.
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(as you can see, he has a big arsenal of tricks. It's gonna take a while to sort through all of them!)
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One more Hayabusa vid. Whether you consider this one canon or not is up to you, but it is pretty much in line with his actions in the Ninja Gaiden games:
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"Ryu is a master swordfighter and archer, and was able to wield the Dabilahro, a 100-pound sword, with little difficulty, as well as flawlessly deflect a stream of minigun fire from an attack helicopter using only a sword."
That's the biggest thing that stands out to me. If Ryu can handle minigun fire, I can't really see him taking a hit from the mace or even the metal storm. This would mean that the curses are Mordekaiser's only reliable means of damaging Ryu. Meanwhile, Ryu has a wide array of ninpo and a 100 pound sword that he can swing fast enough to deflect minigun fire.
Since the stuff I read in this topic represents the grand total of my knowledge on either character, I'm going to wait for more arguments before actually voting. But I'm definitely leaning toward Ryu at the moment.
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Yeah, gonna go with Ryu here, his offense just seems to be insane and he's able to move fast enough to avoid most of Morde's offense (which is seriously gimped by a lack of items).
DeathChicken posted... I think those are two separate things. He has the 100 pound sword, and then he deflected the minigun (with his standard sword, not the Dabilahro)
Ah, that's less impressive. Still, a quick look at Wikipedia tells me that a minigun has a muzzle velocity of 869m/s. The fire rate, while highly variable, is still 2,000-6,000 rounds per minute. If this is even remotely accurate, then being able to move anything fast enough to deal with that means he's going to be doing really heavy damage in melee.
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I'm more saying anything much here but I'll just give a bit more detail on Morde (huehuehue #1 sorry had to say it) since Ryu is a lot more well-known. Morde is a lot tougher than just someone with a metal mace and shrapnel flying around with a curse. I'll use game mechanics to justify things since there are no cutscenes or anything to go by in League of Legends (LoL) since it's gameplay. I know game mechanics aren't proper indicators but it's the best there is for League of Legends
For one thing, he might not even be a person, he might be a soul in armor, he might be an undead thing, who knows. He is a lot weaker in the game because in League of Legends lore all summoned champions are bound by the magic that allows them to fight at roughly equal levels for political stability of the world. This means that someone like Anivia in LoL who is basically a powerful ice phoenix made of pure essence of another world and "can not die and has seen the world renewed several times" can face lesser people like Garen who is merely a really good general on equal terms.
Mordekaiser can inflict disease really easy and he is fairly tough to take down due to his shield which powers itself when Mordekaiser hits an enemy with a spell, more enemies hit means more shield. He has dealt with other great fighters too who can wield melee weapons exceptionally well. Mordekaiser has dealt with powerful magic such as Malzahar with the power of the void and can open portals to the void dealing constant damage or just flat out crush someone and suppress them in a void (this move can only be stopped if you're not in range), Kassadin who can riftwalk, Kennen who can summon a lightning storm around him, etc. Physical combatants like Garen who strikes so fast with his signature move that it looks like a sword dropped on someone (but as confirmed in an interview it was a series of slashes so fast it simply just looked like a giant sword dropped on someone) and Jax who is simply so powerful and skilled as a weaponmaster that he caused a worldwide political imbalance by winning so much and so easily that they sanctioned unique rules to nerf him. Jax basically said ok and nerfed himself more by restricting himself to only using a lamppost to fight and he's still winning.
Gamplay-wise, 1v1 Mordekaiser can beat Anivia (by dodging her stun and standing out of her instant icestorm and beating her with spells) and Kennen (shield generation, nuke him, ultimate to life steal) and Jax in the early going (after a while, Jax becomes almost unbeatable 1v1 in LoL though). Garen in gameplay is about even since Garen can burst through the shield and finish with his ultimate but a longer fight between Garen and Morde will have Morde winning.
I'm not voting for either side but I'd thought I'd give insight into Mordekaiser since even if people vote Ryu, I don't want it to just be that they voted for Ryu because they have no idea what Mordekaiser is
The scrap metal vortex isn't really going to do much offensively (even minions mostly ignore its damage) and I don't have confidence in Mordekaiser to land any hits on Ryu Hayabusa other than his Children of the Grave ultra (which isn't a ohko-- pretty much by definition) and maybe his life siphon. Hayabusa can probably just activate art of the firewheels and flying swallow repeatedly for the win here, though he's capable of much more interesting attack strategies if necessary, like using exploding anti-tank arrows to get Morde at a distance, cause we know Morde can't handle being kited very well!
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The scrap metal vortex isn't really going to do much offensively (even minions mostly ignore its damage) and I don't have confidence in Mordekaiser to land any hits on Ryu Hayabusa other than his Children of the Grave ultra (which isn't a ohko-- pretty much by definition) and maybe his life siphon. Hayabusa can probably just activate art of the firewheels and flying swallow repeatedly for the win here, though he's capable of much more interesting attack strategies if necessary, like using exploding anti-tank arrows to get Morde at a distance, cause we know Morde can't handle being kited very well!
Minions are oneshotted by the metal vortex with no AP 40 minutes into the game. For reference to people who don't play LoL, after a certain point in time (wanna say 10 minutes before that mark?) minions begin to scale defensively heavily. The ability still crushes them, and with ability power scaling it up it makes very quick work of them.
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From: Zero_Degree | #042 One last thing, does Mordekaiser get summoner spells since I'm assuming we're using him as a summoned champion?
They're not inherent to him so my gut feeling says no, but if there's compelling reasons to give him summoners I'm all ears.
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Minions are equal to the average person in durability. Peak power mordekaiser arguably takes Ryu down in one combo.
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More like 1 Q. A glassy build can deal 2.7k with it.
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From: Pirateking2000 | #046 what does he summon anyway. If its just stuff like zombies and whatever Ryu has already shown he can deal with uber zombies.
They're not summoning spells, they're special abilities. One of them massively slows the enemy and gimps his damage and defenses, another one speeds Morde up, a third one teleports him a short distance, a fourth one allows him to revive with full health...
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