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Viviff
09/30/11 4:20:00 PM
#51:


Gill makes sense because he's a broken boss-character, and system only characters also make sense because tournaments could then come down to what system it's being played on and that's not fair to an entire community. I honestly have no idea about the Tekken thing though.

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SpeedYoshi
09/30/11 4:20:00 PM
#52:


jinpachi is the boss character lol

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metroid composite
09/30/11 4:22:00 PM
#53:


Viviff posted...
Look at this! You're nowhere near the community and you can see the writing on the wall! This makes it even more amazing that this community can be this stupid.

The funny thing is that it's not even the banning that's making me facepalm the hardest here.

AlphaZealot linked "Metaknight Da Bess" in his banning announcement--a song that is basically trolling. Way to act like a professionally when you're in a leadership position.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
09/30/11 4:22:00 PM
#54:


also characters that usually have some assenine way to even select are usually banned as well.

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SBell0105
09/30/11 4:23:00 PM
#55:


So the people that made the game put in a character that is better than all the others and other people don't like playing against him so he is being banned but these people?

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OmarsComin
09/30/11 4:25:00 PM
#56:


I think you guys overestimate how much we thought of the community in the first place. This doesn't make us think less of the Brawl community since we never had respect for them anyway!
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OmarsComin
09/30/11 4:27:00 PM
#57:


SF3

3S didn't kill SF3's competitive scene.

It should have, but it didn't.


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TheKoolAidShoto
09/30/11 4:29:00 PM
#58:


The North American "official" Smash community is a bizarre and terrifying place I think I'd like to stay away from.

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Viviff
09/30/11 4:31:00 PM
#59:


TheKoolAidShoto posted...
The North American "official" Smash community is a bizarre and terrifying place I think I'd like to stay away from.
Me too. I wish it didn't pay well.

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MarvelousGerbil
09/30/11 5:10:00 PM
#60:


I'm never any good with the characters who are top tier. Probably the highest tiered character I can do anything with is Pikachu <_<

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charmander6000
09/30/11 5:25:00 PM
#62:


Banning a character that's been allowed for quite a few years just seems like a silly idea to me. <_<

Smogon banned Salamence, years after the release of Pokemon DPP.

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pjbasis
09/30/11 5:26:00 PM
#63:


Florida was a pretty good place to Brawl, at least here in Orlando.

Still I fell out of it because I can't play a fighter with no online mode anymore.
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MarvelousGerbil
09/30/11 5:28:00 PM
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From: charmander6000 | #062
Banning a character that's been allowed for quite a few years just seems like a silly idea to me. <_<

Smogon banned Salamence, years after the release of Pokemon DPP.


To be fair, wasn't this the result of other things being banned slowly, some of which were due to HG/SS adding new moves to said pokemon? I don't really pay attention to competitive pokemon, but that's how I understood it at the time.

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Luis_Sera89
09/30/11 5:46:00 PM
#65:


Didn't Hilde get banned from SC4 tournaments eventually? And Necrid was banned for being ridiculously broken in SC2.

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metroid composite
09/30/11 5:58:00 PM
#66:


MarvelousGerbil posted...
To be fair, wasn't this the result of other things being banned slowly, some of which were due to HG/SS adding new moves to said pokemon? I don't really pay attention to competitive pokemon, but that's how I understood it at the time.

Hm...looking at the moves it picked up later...Platinum HG/SS gave it Outrage from a move tutor, so that's sort-of a big deal.

But I thought the reasoning was more "It can easily force a switchout given Intimidate, and between Earthquake, Flamethrower, and Draco Meteor there's no safe switch-in, so it becomes a guessing game".

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Viviff
09/30/11 6:21:00 PM
#67:


Salamence was banned primarily due to Dragon Dance. One of those plus Outrage since it got a 33% power increase at some point generally meant something was going to die thanks to Dragons type coverage

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CoolCly
09/30/11 6:33:00 PM
#68:


Meta Knight is a pretty dumb character anyways.

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BoshStrikesBack
09/30/11 6:36:00 PM
#69:


I'd argue that was the development of HD Remix.

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seriously man, what the hell is wrong with you

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BoshStrikesBack
09/30/11 6:38:00 PM
#70:


Anyway, as far as attendance goes, it'll likely be a wash. As others have already said, the Brawl community is no longer relevant, so those who still play are pretty passionate about it. Those few who will drop due to the Metaknight ban will likely be made up for in full by others who rejoin the community because a broken-as-all-hell character finally got the treatment he deserves.

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Biolizard28
09/30/11 6:38:00 PM
#71:


Salamence ban never made any sense to me. It was far too late in the games life to really matter, and I never found him more of an asspain than he usually is. Salamence has always been super strong.

Competitive Pokemon's a joke now, just because there's so much crap that can be considered a game breaker and they have to ban it all.

Once you start banning certain ability combinations, I think it's time to hang it up.

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Biolizard28
09/30/11 6:39:00 PM
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From: BoshStrikesBack | #069
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seriously man, what the hell is wrong with you


Um?

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metroid composite
09/30/11 6:42:00 PM
#73:


Viviff posted...
Salamence was banned primarily due to Dragon Dance. One of those plus Outrage since it got a 33% power increase at some point generally meant something was going to die thanks to Dragons type coverage

To be fair, Dragon Dance has always been an egg move of Salamence. Just like Roost has always been sitting around as a TM of Salamence. But yeah, it didn't have Outrage to combo it with.

(But yeah, as with any pokemon banning it's a combination of factors. I mean, Dragonite's been able to do Dragon Dance + Outrage for way longer than Salamence...and nobody cares).

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BoshStrikesBack
09/30/11 6:43:00 PM
#74:


Um?

I'm just wondering what kind of degrees, accomplishments, salary, and/or levels of attractiveness would entitle any single human being to such arrogance. Are you a rugged and ripped Yale lawyer with a couple of Ph.Ds? Because if not, maybe it's time to stop being so unbelievably intense about things you understand only superficially.

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WalrusJump
09/30/11 6:56:00 PM
#75:


this is why I never touch Brawl and only play Melee/64

joke game etc

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Viviff
09/30/11 7:01:00 PM
#76:


Dragonite doesn't have the stat distribution to abuse it . Mence has much more attack and speed, while Nite is just a bit too bulky for it's own good. Athough Mence is no longer Uber I believe.

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charmander6000
09/30/11 7:11:00 PM
#77:


BW is a different metagame. The addition of strong fast hitting pokemon, new abilities and the choice to bring a bunch of Uber pokemon down at the same time makes Mence relatively weaker.

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Liquid Wind
10/01/11 4:07:00 AM
#78:


I called alphazealot being the death of brawl when he first came out of the closet with all the unity nonsense and I was right, lmfao

I mean really the guy comes right out and says that he attained power by sneaking around like a rat and people just go along with it expecting him to make good decisions going forward? LOL
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pjbasis
10/01/11 4:38:00 AM
#80:


lol oh god that sucks.

I liked playing Brawl but it seemed to be a good time to drop out when I did!
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metoolfan
10/01/11 4:55:00 AM
#81:


Blairville posted...
The smash community is just salty that Sakurai bodied them. Seriously, Brawl was expertly crafted to expose the community for how bad they are, and I love it.

This, but less extreme.

I don't hate the competitive Smash community or anything, but I don't particularly rate either Melee or Brawl as a competitive game, Brawl in particular. They're great party sideshows, not much more for me.

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Liquid Wind
10/01/11 5:00:00 AM
#82:


alphazealot was a notable tournament host from the midwest who was chosen to run the MLG tournaments before the brawl community ****ed up repeatedly and got kicked off MLG(go figure)

about a year ago he announces that he is overthrowing the formerly powerless brawl back room which just made ruleset suggestions, with a new BBR ruleset committee which would make mandatory rules. prior to this point the BBR created a recommended ruleset and each tournament host would customize it to some degree, each region tended to have differing rules. AZ, not being content to let people do what they please and have choices, spent a long time organizing a conspiracy behind the scenes with MLG, who owns smashboards, neal the owner of all is brawl, and a few other highly influential tournament hosts. with this announcement it was made official that if you tried to run a tournament not following his committee's rules, it would not be featured on SWF or AIB which is basically the entirety of the competitive smash community. as a result of this, pictochat was a legal stage nationally for a good while and brawl became even more of a joke than it was before.
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