Board 8 > Why is Chrono Cross so hated?

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Liquid Wind 10/01/11 6:31:00 PM #101:	chrono cross is a great game, people basically hate on it because it is almost totally unrelated to chrono trigger and where it is related, it basically goes "remember all that stuff that happened before? lol" <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:405821] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> chrono cross is a great game, people basically hate on it because it is almost totally unrelated to chrono trigger and where it is related, it basically goes "remember all that stuff that happened before? lol" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/01/11 6:38:00 PM #102:	From: Uglyface2 \| #097 Minimal stat increases for the first few enemies, none at all after that. I remember that the critics at the time loved this, because it turned the whole Experience Point thing on its head. I found it made the game needlessly difficult, because you either learned how to use elements and not waste items and stockpile and such, or you find that you wasted a bunch of your time when you went up against that one guy (Dario or Miguel or whatever) and couldn't beat him. This is so fail it's amazing. I love it when people critizice CC - I can legitimately, honestly say they don't get it and be right. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:405822] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: Uglyface2 \| #097Minimal stat increases for the first few enemies, none at all after that. I remember that the critics at the time loved this, because it turned the whole Experience Point thing on its head. I found it made the game needlessly difficult, because you either learned how to use elements and not waste items and stockpile and such, or you find that you wasted a bunch of your time when you went up against that one guy (Dario or Miguel or whatever) and couldn't beat him.This is so fail it's amazing. I love it when people critizice CC - I can legitimately, honestly say they don't get it and be right. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 10/01/11 6:39:00 PM #103:	[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:405823] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> [This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 10/01/11 6:39:00 PM #104:	From: KanzarisKelshen \| #102 I can legitimately, honestly say they don't get it and be right. Don't be that guy. -- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:405824] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: KanzarisKelshen \| #102I can legitimately, honestly say they don't get it and be right.Don't be that guy. -- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!""Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/01/11 6:42:00 PM #105:	Well, for one, Crono, Lucca, and Serge don't suck. Whoa, those are my 3 favorite Chrono series characters too. -- 90s games > 00s games <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:405825] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> Well, for one, Crono, Lucca, and Serge don't suck.Whoa, those are my 3 favorite Chrono series characters too. -- 90s games > 00s games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/01/11 6:52:00 PM #106:	From: LeonhartFour \| #104 Don't be that guy. When someone says something that is factually wrong I think I can be smug. Opinions I'm OK with, even if I disagree with them. But that was just the person I quoted not getting CC's system and talking out of his ass. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:405826] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: LeonhartFour \| #104Don't be that guy.When someone says something that is factually wrong I think I can be smug. Opinions I'm OK with, even if I disagree with them. But that was just the person I quoted not getting CC's system and talking out of his ass. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 10/01/11 7:09:00 PM #107:	From: KanzarisKelshen \| #106 When someone says something that is factually wrong I think I can be smug. Not really. It could mean they misremembered something or they're possibly exaggerating how bad the system is, whether they're doing it consciously or not. But either way, the Element System sucks, and that's the important thing. -- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:405827] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: KanzarisKelshen \| #106When someone says something that is factually wrong I think I can be smug.Not really. It could mean they misremembered something or they're possibly exaggerating how bad the system is, whether they're doing it consciously or not.But either way, the Element System sucks, and that's the important thing. -- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX!http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 10/01/11 7:13:00 PM #108:	People hate it because of the Chrono Trigger thing. Leonhart is just one of the people that would legitimately dislike it regardless. Of course, that's Leonhart for you. audience laughter <cite>pjbasis posted [p:405828] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> People hate it because of the Chrono Trigger thing.Leonhart is just one of the people that would legitimately dislike it regardless.Of course, that's Leonhart for you. audience laughter </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 10/01/11 7:13:00 PM #109:	Uncanny -- http://i.imgur.com/fe05x.png <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:405829] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> Uncanny -- http://i.imgur.com/fe05x.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/01/11 7:17:00 PM #110:	From: LeonhartFour \| #107 Not really. It could mean they misremembered something or they're possibly exaggerating how bad the system is, whether they're doing it consciously or not. But either way, the Element System sucks, and that's the important thing. The Element System requiring back-asswards trapping sucked. The rest of it didn't tbh. If you want to argue the former I'll give you that, but not really the latter. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:405830] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: LeonhartFour \| #107Not really. It could mean they misremembered something or they're possibly exaggerating how bad the system is, whether they're doing it consciously or not.But either way, the Element System sucks, and that's the important thing.The Element System requiring back-asswards trapping sucked. The rest of it didn't tbh. If you want to argue the former I'll give you that, but not really the latter. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 10/01/11 7:34:00 PM #111:	Man I am loving this game. Using a guide to make sure I don't miss characters(don't know why since I never use them, I'm just a completionist XD) -- Joyrock Fresh from my first justified ban. Ever! <cite>OctilIery posted [p:405831] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> Man I am loving this game.Using a guide to make sure I don't miss characters(don't know why since I never use them, I'm just a completionist XD) -- JoyrockFresh from my first justified ban. Ever! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheNinJa7777 10/01/11 9:48:00 PM #112:	I am so about to replay Chrono Cross because of this topic -- http://img.imgcake.com/1284175205700jpghe.jpg <cite>TheNinJa7777 posted [p:405832] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> I am so about to replay Chrono Cross because of this topic -- http://img.imgcake.com/1284175205700jpghe.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twilight the Fox 10/01/11 10:06:00 PM #113:	Just gonna throw this out there: Did anyone actually like those horrible accents half the characters used? (I'm looking at you, freaky dog-thing and annoying boat kid who did not believe in pants) -- ~_We have come to te-SPACE LANCE_~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MURDGxx7FJo <cite>Twilight the Fox posted [p:405833] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> Just gonna throw this out there:Did anyone actually like those horrible accents half the characters used? (I'm looking at you, freaky dog-thing and annoying boat kid who did not believe in pants) -- ~_We have come to te-SPACE LANCE_~http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MURDGxx7FJo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/01/11 10:08:00 PM #114:	From: Twilight the Fox \| #113 Just gonna throw this out there: Did anyone actually like those horrible accents half the characters used? (I'm looking at you, freaky dog-thing and annoying boat kid who did not believe in pants) Poshul was fine, Macha and Orcha were fine in spite of using the exact same accent as Korcha and the rest were all totally OK. In general what made Korcha unlikeable was his personality and uselessness, not his accent. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:405834] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: Twilight the Fox \| #113Just gonna throw this out there:Did anyone actually like those horrible accents half the characters used? (I'm looking at you, freaky dog-thing and annoying boat kid who did not believe in pants)Poshul was fine, Macha and Orcha were fine in spite of using the exact same accent as Korcha and the rest were all totally OK. In general what made Korcha unlikeable was his personality and uselessness, not his accent. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/01/11 10:09:00 PM #115:	OK, maybe Greco kinda sucked, accentwise, as did Leah. I stand by the rest though. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:405835] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> OK, maybe Greco kinda sucked, accentwise, as did Leah. I stand by the rest though. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 10/01/11 10:20:00 PM #116:	-the battle system is not good -presumably if they had focused on fewer characters those fewer characters would've each been developed more than having a stupid accent. you can't fit too many major character development plot points into the main story because you can't count on the player having a specific character with them at that point. at their very best, some characters get the FFT treatment where they're quite prominent and developing until they join your party, at which point they become accent overlay files. -the way the final boss works is pretty silly. strategy guide bait, and there's no tradeoff where it makes it more fun or anything. it's just a going through the motions process that makes the player jump through an unfun hoop just to see the ending of the game. -a plot that nearly collapses on itself and causes a temporal disturbance based on it's incoherency. somewhere you leave the realm of "thought provoking for 14 year olds" and enter into "just making stuff up as you go." those are all valid reasons to dislike the game in my mind. I think it's one of the better RPGs on the PSX, but the games that are better than it are a lot better. It's not in the same ballpark as games like FF7-9 and Tactics, or Suikoden II. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:405836] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> -the battle system is not good-presumably if they had focused on fewer characters those fewer characters would've each been developed more than having a stupid accent. you can't fit too many major character development plot points into the main story because you can't count on the player having a specific character with them at that point. at their very best, some characters get the FFT treatment where they're quite prominent and developing until they join your party, at which point they become accent overlay files.-the way the final boss works is pretty silly. strategy guide bait, and there's no tradeoff where it makes it more fun or anything. it's just a going through the motions process that makes the player jump through an unfun hoop just to see the ending of the game.-a plot that nearly collapses on itself and causes a temporal disturbance based on it's incoherency. somewhere you leave the realm of "thought provoking for 14 year olds" and enter into "just making stuff up as you go."those are all valid reasons to dislike the game in my mind. I think it's one of the better RPGs on the PSX, but the games that are better than it are a lot better. It's not in the same ballpark as games like FF7-9 and Tactics, or Suikoden II. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Psycho_Kenshin 10/01/11 10:22:00 PM #117:	I actually had not played Chrono Trigger yet when I played Chrono Cross. I can say i just don't like Chrono Cross because I found it to be a dull, bad game. -- One Piece: Pirates with style! -= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- <cite>Psycho_Kenshin posted [p:405837] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> I actually had not played Chrono Trigger yet when I played Chrono Cross. I can say i just don't like Chrono Cross because I found it to be a dull, bad game. -- One Piece: Pirates with style!-= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 10/01/11 10:32:00 PM #118:	I actually figured out the final boss method on my own after beating it once and getting the "bad" ending There are two or three spots in the final dungeon that spell it out for you, giving you the exact order necessary, and in one case, making the sounds that you should have already been hearing every time you used an element in battle. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] If you can't slam with the best, then jam with the rest. <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:405838] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> I actually figured out the final boss method on my own after beating it once and getting the "bad" endingThere are two or three spots in the final dungeon that spell it out for you, giving you the exact order necessary, and in one case, making the sounds that you should have already been hearing every time you used an element in battle. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE]If you can't slam with the best, then jam with the rest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/01/11 11:10:00 PM #119:	From: OmarsComin \| #116 -the battle system is not good -presumably if they had focused on fewer characters those fewer characters would've each been developed more than having a stupid accent. you can't fit too many major character development plot points into the main story because you can't count on the player having a specific character with them at that point. at their very best, some characters get the FFT treatment where they're quite prominent and developing until they join your party, at which point they become accent overlay files. -the way the final boss works is pretty silly. strategy guide bait, and there's no tradeoff where it makes it more fun or anything. it's just a going through the motions process that makes the player jump through an unfun hoop just to see the ending of the game. -a plot that nearly collapses on itself and causes a temporal disturbance based on it's incoherency. somewhere you leave the realm of "thought provoking for 14 year olds" and enter into "just making stuff up as you go." those are all valid reasons to dislike the game in my mind. I think it's one of the better RPGs on the PSX, but the games that are better than it are a lot better. It's not in the same ballpark as games like FF7-9 and Tactics, or Suikoden II. The plot is actually not incoherent at all, and I mean it. I had this argument before and I even typed up a summary off the top of my head that made perfect sense in spite of being in anachronic order. The first complaint is sorta valid and so is the second one though. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:405839] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: OmarsComin \| #116-the battle system is not good-presumably if they had focused on fewer characters those fewer characters would've each been developed more than having a stupid accent. you can't fit too many major character development plot points into the main story because you can't count on the player having a specific character with them at that point. at their very best, some characters get the FFT treatment where they're quite prominent and developing until they join your party, at which point they become accent overlay files.-the way the final boss works is pretty silly. strategy guide bait, and there's no tradeoff where it makes it more fun or anything. it's just a going through the motions process that makes the player jump through an unfun hoop just to see the ending of the game.-a plot that nearly collapses on itself and causes a temporal disturbance based on it's incoherency. somewhere you leave the realm of "thought provoking for 14 year olds" and enter into "just making stuff up as you go."those are all valid reasons to dislike the game in my mind. I think it's one of the better RPGs on the PSX, but the games that are better than it are a lot better. It's not in the same ballpark as games like FF7-9 and Tactics, or Suikoden II.The plot is actually not incoherent at all, and I mean it. I had this argument before and I even typed up a summary off the top of my head that made perfect sense in spite of being in anachronic order. The first complaint is sorta valid and so is the second one though. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 10/01/11 11:13:00 PM #120:	The plot is a disaster; give it up. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch <cite>redrocket posted [p:405840] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> The plot is a disaster; give it up. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BoshStrikesBack 10/01/11 11:16:00 PM #121:	No, the plot is brilliant. Pacing aside- because yes, the pacing is awful- the story, despite being tremendously complicated, is fully coherent, with fewer plot holes (IIRC, one major one) than its predecessor. This isn't up for debate. Check the Chrono Compendium for more. -- Houston Texans: 2-1 [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>BoshStrikesBack posted [p:405841] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> No, the plot is brilliant. Pacing aside- because yes, the pacing is awful- the story, despite being tremendously complicated, is fully coherent, with fewer plot holes (IIRC, one major one) than its predecessor. This isn't up for debate. Check the Chrono Compendium for more. -- Houston Texans: 2-1[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 10/01/11 11:26:00 PM #122:	From: BoshStrikesBack \| #121 Check the Chrono Compendium for more. Here's the problem. I have to consult outside sources to be able to make sense of the story. That's not a good thing. -- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:405842] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: BoshStrikesBack \| #121Check the Chrono Compendium for more.Here's the problem.I have to consult outside sources to be able to make sense of the story. That's not a good thing. -- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 10/01/11 11:27:00 PM #123:	*BoshStrikesBack posted...* No, the plot is brilliant. Pacing aside- because yes, the pacing is awful- the story, despite being tremendously complicated, is fully coherent, with fewer plot holes (IIRC, one major one) than its predecessor. This isn't up for debate. Check the Chrono Compendium for more. This is where this argument falls apart completely. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch <cite>redrocket posted [p:405843] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> BoshStrikesBack posted...No, the plot is brilliant. Pacing aside- because yes, the pacing is awful- the story, despite being tremendously complicated, is fully coherent, with fewer plot holes (IIRC, one major one) than its predecessor. This isn't up for debate. Check the Chrono Compendium for more.This is where this argument falls apart completely. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UniversalCow 10/01/11 11:32:00 PM #124:	I don't understand why some people are saying CT's cast had no development. They EACH had a backstory and arch. -- Moo. <cite>UniversalCow posted [p:405844] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> I don't understand why some people are saying CT's cast had no development. They EACH had a backstory and arch. -- Moo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZFS 10/01/11 11:34:00 PM #125:	Check the Chrono Compendium why. why would you do this to someone. -- peace comes from within <cite>ZFS posted [p:405845] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> Check the Chrono Compendiumwhy. why would you do this to someone. -- peace comes from within </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BoshStrikesBack 10/01/11 11:38:00 PM #126:	This is where this argument falls apart completely. There's no "falling apart." I'm just referring to the fact that it's not, in fact, "incoherent." Is it paced poorly? You bet. Is it overly complicated and subtle for most first-time players? Absolutely. But if you want to attack the plot, attack it for those reasons, not "it's incoherent." -- Houston Texans: 2-1 [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>BoshStrikesBack posted [p:405846] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> This is where this argument falls apart completely.There's no "falling apart." I'm just referring to the fact that it's not, in fact, "incoherent." Is it paced poorly? You bet. Is it overly complicated and subtle for most first-time players? Absolutely. But if you want to attack the plot, attack it for those reasons, not "it's incoherent." -- Houston Texans: 2-1[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/02/11 12:12:00 AM #127:	You don't even need the compendium, except for the supplemental confirmations. It's all in the game, it just requires seeing through the seemingly contradictory dates it gives you, which make perfect sense in time. (OK, so technically having the theory of Time Traveller's Immunity in mind helps, but it's not a requirement either. Everything else is pretty secondary.) -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:405847] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> You don't even need the compendium, except for the supplemental confirmations. It's all in the game, it just requires seeing through the seemingly contradictory dates it gives you, which make perfect sense in time.(OK, so technically having the theory of Time Traveller's Immunity in mind helps, but it's not a requirement either. Everything else is pretty secondary.) -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 10/02/11 12:17:00 AM #128:	I've never had a problem looking through outside sources to enjoy a story. What's wrong with things not being explained to your face? It's really awesome to play through again and go "ah, that's why this happened!" <cite>pjbasis posted [p:405848] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> I've never had a problem looking through outside sources to enjoy a story.What's wrong with things not being explained to your face? It's really awesome to play through again and go "ah, that's why this happened!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 10/02/11 11:18:00 AM #129:	I don't mind looking at outside sources for supplemental information, but I shouldn't need it to understand the story. -- http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8516/whatisdesiresig.gif <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:405849] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> I don't mind looking at outside sources for supplemental information, but I shouldn't need it to understand the story. -- http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8516/whatisdesiresig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/02/11 11:21:00 AM #130:	From: LeonhartFour \| #129 I don't mind looking at outside sources for supplemental information, but I shouldn't need it to understand the story. But you don't need it. What you do need is three different saves at specific key points to contrast and compare some things. Which is more involved than the usual, but hey, people always miss Squall's characterization from talking to NPCs and you don't rag on FF8 for forcing you to go out of your way to fully get the main character! -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:405850] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: LeonhartFour \| #129I don't mind looking at outside sources for supplemental information, but I shouldn't need it to understand the story.But you don't need it. What you do need is three different saves at specific key points to contrast and compare some things. Which is more involved than the usual, but hey, people always miss Squall's characterization from talking to NPCs and you don't rag on FF8 for forcing you to go out of your way to fully get the main character! -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 10/02/11 11:22:00 AM #131:	From: KanzarisKelshen \| #130 What you do need is three different saves at specific key points to contrast and compare some things. I see. And that's not even comparable to noticing Squall's characterization, for the record. -- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:405851] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: KanzarisKelshen \| #130What you do need is three different saves at specific key points to contrast and compare some things.I see.And that's not even comparable to noticing Squall's characterization, for the record. -- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX!http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/02/11 11:24:00 AM #132:	From: LeonhartFour \| #131 I see. And that's not even comparable to noticing Squall's characterization, for the record. Fisherman's Horizon. Argument invalid. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:405852] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: LeonhartFour \| #131I see.And that's not even comparable to noticing Squall's characterization, for the record.Fisherman's Horizon. Argument invalid. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 10/02/11 11:26:00 AM #133:	From: KanzarisKelshen \| #132 Fisherman's Horizon. Argument invalid. What the heck are you even talking about? -- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:405853] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: KanzarisKelshen \| #132Fisherman's Horizon. Argument invalid.What the heck are you even talking about? -- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX!http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/02/11 11:34:00 AM #134:	From: LeonhartFour \| #133 What the heck are you even talking about? There's this particular missable conversation in FH where Squall pretty much begins to have second thoughts about the way he's being a jerk, which paves the way for his actions down the line. You miss it and the Disk 3 stuff begins to look very jarring. That's the most obvious example, but there's a ton everywhere - FF8 is a game that requires like 95% exploration because so many important scenes don't happen if you just rush through the plot. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:405854] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: LeonhartFour \| #133What the heck are you even talking about?There's this particular missable conversation in FH where Squall pretty much begins to have second thoughts about the way he's being a jerk, which paves the way for his actions down the line. You miss it and the Disk 3 stuff begins to look very jarring. That's the most obvious example, but there's a ton everywhere - FF8 is a game that requires like 95% exploration because so many important scenes don't happen if you just rush through the plot. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlAcK TuRtLe 10/02/11 11:34:00 AM #135:	Chrono Cross is a steaming pile for a variety of reasons: - Craps all over Chrono Trigger, from the characters, to the setting, to the villain and to the main story premise - Battle system is clunky and terrible. The whole "stamina" thing is absolutely pointless. Then you have certain enemies which require either a lot of luck, or knowledge of what's coming up to prepare elements and crap. I challenge anyone to tell me they beat Miguel on their first playthrough without using a guide. - Plot is confusing and pointless and ties in loosely at best to the series story - The whole part where you play as Lynx was a complete waste of time and could have been skipped - The fact that the CC world map is supposed to fit into the CT world map, but is clearly not there. About the only thing CC had going for it was the graphics and the soundtrack. -- http://i49.tinypic.com/2ry672r.jpg <cite>BlAcK TuRtLe posted [p:405855] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> Chrono Cross is a steaming pile for a variety of reasons:- Craps all over Chrono Trigger, from the characters, to the setting, to the villain and to the main story premise- Battle system is clunky and terrible. The whole "stamina" thing is absolutely pointless. Then you have certain enemies which require either a lot of luck, or knowledge of what's coming up to prepare elements and crap. I challenge anyone to tell me they beat Miguel on their first playthrough without using a guide.- Plot is confusing and pointless and ties in loosely at best to the series story- The whole part where you play as Lynx was a complete waste of time and could have been skipped- The fact that the CC world map is supposed to fit into the CT world map, but is clearly not there.About the only thing CC had going for it was the graphics and the soundtrack. -- http://i49.tinypic.com/2ry672r.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/02/11 11:36:00 AM #136:	From: BlAcK TuRtLe \| #135 Chrono Cross is a steaming pile for a variety of reasons: - Battle system is clunky and terrible. The whole "stamina" thing is absolutely pointless. Then you have certain enemies which require either a lot of luck, or knowledge of what's coming up to prepare elements and crap. I challenge anyone to tell me they beat Miguel on their first playthrough without using a guide. 'Sup As for your other points, you need to look at FATE, there is no series story (or rather it isn't what you think it is), the Lynx portion is important because it fleshes out one of the sides of the conflict, and the last thing you used as a criticism is a plot point. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:405856] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: BlAcK TuRtLe \| #135Chrono Cross is a steaming pile for a variety of reasons:- Battle system is clunky and terrible. The whole "stamina" thing is absolutely pointless. Then you have certain enemies which require either a lot of luck, or knowledge of what's coming up to prepare elements and crap. I challenge anyone to tell me they beat Miguel on their first playthrough without using a guide.'SupAs for your other points, you need to look at FATE, there is no series story (or rather it isn't what you think it is), the Lynx portion is important because it fleshes out one of the sides of the conflict, and the last thing you used as a criticism is a plot point. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 10/02/11 11:42:00 AM #137:	From: KanzarisKelshen \| #134 There's this particular missable conversation in FH where Squall pretty much begins to have second thoughts about the way he's being a jerk, which paves the way for his actions down the line. You miss it and the Disk 3 stuff begins to look very jarring. That's the most obvious example, but there's a ton everywhere - FF8 is a game that requires like 95% exploration because so many important scenes don't happen if you just rush through the plot. That's still not comparable because it doesn't require cross-comparing three different scenes closely to see what says what. With FFVIII, that's being thorough without being unnecessarily roundabout. -- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:405857] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: KanzarisKelshen \| #134There's this particular missable conversation in FH where Squall pretty much begins to have second thoughts about the way he's being a jerk, which paves the way for his actions down the line. You miss it and the Disk 3 stuff begins to look very jarring. That's the most obvious example, but there's a ton everywhere - FF8 is a game that requires like 95% exploration because so many important scenes don't happen if you just rush through the plot.That's still not comparable because it doesn't require cross-comparing three different scenes closely to see what says what. With FFVIII, that's being thorough without being unnecessarily roundabout. -- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX!http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 10/02/11 12:34:00 PM #138:	*BlAcK TuRtLe posted...* Chrono Cross is a steaming pile for a variety of reasons: - Craps all over Chrono Trigger, from the characters, to the setting, to the villain and to the main story premise - Battle system is clunky and terrible. The whole "stamina" thing is absolutely pointless. Then you have certain enemies which require either a lot of luck, or knowledge of what's coming up to prepare elements and crap. I challenge anyone to tell me they beat Miguel on their first playthrough without using a guide. - Plot is confusing and pointless and ties in loosely at best to the series story - The whole part where you play as Lynx was a complete waste of time and could have been skipped - The fact that the CC world map is supposed to fit into the CT world map, but is clearly not there. About the only thing CC had going for it was the graphics and the soundtrack. lol at pretty much every point. <cite>pjbasis posted [p:405858] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> BlAcK TuRtLe posted...Chrono Cross is a steaming pile for a variety of reasons:- Craps all over Chrono Trigger, from the characters, to the setting, to the villain and to the main story premise- Battle system is clunky and terrible. The whole "stamina" thing is absolutely pointless. Then you have certain enemies which require either a lot of luck, or knowledge of what's coming up to prepare elements and crap. I challenge anyone to tell me they beat Miguel on their first playthrough without using a guide.- Plot is confusing and pointless and ties in loosely at best to the series story- The whole part where you play as Lynx was a complete waste of time and could have been skipped- The fact that the CC world map is supposed to fit into the CT world map, but is clearly not there.About the only thing CC had going for it was the graphics and the soundtrack.lol at pretty much every point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mega Mana 10/02/11 1:56:00 PM #139:	Battle system sucks. The comparison to Pokemon is fun because at least Pokemon aren't completely interchangeable. You get a team of six all with their own movesets plus TMs and HMs to add variety and fifteen elements to worry about for strengths and weaknesses. You have no limit on who you can put in your party as your starter Pokemon, while likely your best throughout the main game, can be boxed up for a completely different team. Chrono Cross? Three-man team with one space always taken by the main and another slot may be required for a certain character at certain times leaving one space open. Each character has up to three unique moves while the rest of the slots are occupied by six interchangeable elements. There's virtually no difference between characters in battle aside from stats, element type, number of battle slots, and three unique moves but with six elements and stats mattering only on which character is better than another of that same element, it's terrible. Oh, and if you want to use anyone different, you better be sure to equip them. Also, stat gains? Gotta bring them out after every star to let them fight in battles a few times. <cite>Mega Mana posted [p:405859] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> Battle system sucks. The comparison to Pokemon is fun because at least Pokemon aren't completely interchangeable. You get a team of six all with their own movesets plus TMs and HMs to add variety and fifteen elements to worry about for strengths and weaknesses. You have no limit on who you can put in your party as your starter Pokemon, while likely your best throughout the main game, can be boxed up for a completely different team.Chrono Cross? Three-man team with one space always taken by the main and another slot may be required for a certain character at certain times leaving one space open. Each character has up to three unique moves while the rest of the slots are occupied by six interchangeable elements. There's virtually no difference between characters in battle aside from stats, element type, number of battle slots, and three unique moves but with six elements and stats mattering only on which character is better than another of that same element, it's terrible. Oh, and if you want to use anyone different, you better be sure to equip them. Also, stat gains? Gotta bring them out after every star to let them fight in battles a few times. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BoshStrikesBack 10/02/11 2:39:00 PM #140:	There's virtually no difference between characters in battle aside from stats, element type, number of battle slots, and three unique moves Sorry, am I the only one who finds this completely hilarious? -- Houston Texans: 3-1 [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>BoshStrikesBack posted [p:405860] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> There's virtually no difference between characters in battle aside from stats, element type, number of battle slots, and three unique movesSorry, am I the only one who finds this completely hilarious? -- Houston Texans: 3-1[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/02/11 2:51:00 PM #141:	From: BoshStrikesBack \| #140 There's virtually no difference between characters in battle aside from stats, element type, number of battle slots, and three unique moves Sorry, am I the only one who finds this completely hilarious? Nah, I find it funny too. He forgot basic moves, too - some moves hit all enemies or autohit and so on. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:405861] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> From: BoshStrikesBack \| #140There's virtually no difference between characters in battle aside from stats, element type, number of battle slots, and three unique movesSorry, am I the only one who finds this completely hilarious?Nah, I find it funny too. He forgot basic moves, too - some moves hit all enemies or autohit and so on. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 10/02/11 2:55:00 PM #142:	I beat miguel on my first playthrough without a guide, he did beat me once on my second playthrough though, but it's not a stupidly unfair battle or anything, just difficult. chrono cross is nice because it's a game that gives you most of your stat boosts from boss battles and doesn't factor in random grinding, you aren't going to get one hitted by bosses for not grinding a stupid amount like most of square's other games. <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:405862] in Why is Chr... [t:60494747]...</cite> <quote> I beat miguel on my first playthrough without a guide, he did beat me once on my second playthrough though, but it's not a stupidly unfair battle or anything, just difficult. chrono cross is nice because it's a game that gives you most of your stat boosts from boss battles and doesn't factor in random grinding, you aren't going to get one hitted by bosses for not grinding a stupid amount like most of square's other games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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