Board 8 > Most Powerful Fictional Character 2011: Megas XLR vs. Luffy [MPFC]

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KanzarisKelshen
10/08/11 8:10:00 PM
#51:


From: Wanglicious | #049
pfft, 'raw power works' only when it's no end of episode sequence.


Or when Megas is vaporized. Counts as a cliffhanger!

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Wanglicious
10/08/11 8:14:00 PM
#52:


only two parter i remember was coop vs. evil coop. which really just says that the only way coop and megas ever lost was to a better mech that coop made led by coop as a better 'pilot.' at the least more experienced.

but of course, alt time line megas existed there too so that doesn't work much for anything beyond a "whoa megas lost?!' before you go '...oh. to evil coop and what he considered a sequel to megas. i see.'

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WickIebee
10/08/11 8:19:00 PM
#53:


Ed Bellis posted...
Couple questions:

1. How durable are these Pacifistas Luffy fights? How do they compare with Megas? Megas seems it has, like Wang said, inconsistent durability specs, so I was wondering how it stacks up against an opponent Luffy was able to oneshot.


Pacifistas are built by Vegapunk who would make machines about on the same level as Gundams w/o pilots... They were durable enough to take the strongest attacks of the three strongest Strawhats, and do you need me to describe those feats?

2. We seem to be talking about them going for finishing blows right away - is that really what they're likely to do? On that same note, how fast are Megas and Luffy?

I said before that Luffy went all-out against the Pacifista when he first saw him the second time... when he knows that it's a tough enemy, he goes all-out immediately...
As for speed... Think of Luffy like a Rubber Band, when stretched it can only be stretched as fast as you can stretch it... but has a quick shot back... That is him in Gear Second...


3. Luffy's writeup seems out of date in that it doesn't have full descriptions of Haki. What does it actually let him do? Does it just boost his powerset or does it give him new powers?

This is his power before he masters it... the main Haki I spoke of... I can find a vid that tells you the rest of it... which he's mastered all forms...

4. How strong is Megas's arsenal? Writeup mentions lasers and missiles, but that's pretty vague.

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Wanglicious
10/08/11 8:32:00 PM
#54:


...though thinking about it i'm not sure anything really works in terms of external forces on it. coop and friends are in a car that doubles as the mech's head. somehow, they're perfectly fine quickly flying off into space, going to other planets with varying temperatures, being inside organisms, having thousands of mechs attacking them, time travel, etc. if a planet sized monster exploding right behind you ain't even cracking a windshield, you've got the best car ever.

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YoboD
10/08/11 8:55:00 PM
#55:


Megas

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pikapika212
10/08/11 9:19:00 PM
#56:


Luffy is affected by physical attacks.
I highly doubt Luffy would speed blitz, if anything, he'll probably be amazed by the robot, although I doubt Coop would just go for the kill, if anything during the time Luffy is amazed, Coop would be bragging or something.
I doubt luffy would use haki right off the bat, and who knows, maybe Coop's idiocy will ignore Haki or something.

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LlednarTwem
10/08/11 9:50:00 PM
#57:


Luffy has led with the third haki variant several times since he learned to control it. Of the top of my head, he used it to take out his imposter without a fight, and take out 50,000 fishmen just as the fight was starting. That said, I'm not exactly clear on how it works. All I know is that it's some sort of potentially widespread invisible AoE ability. Can anyone clarify what exactly allows someone to avoid being knocked out by it?

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WickIebee
10/08/11 10:10:00 PM
#58:


pikapika212 posted...
Luffy is affected by physical attacks.
I highly doubt Luffy would speed blitz, if anything, he'll probably be amazed by the robot, although I doubt Coop would just go for the kill, if anything during the time Luffy is amazed, Coop would be bragging or something.
I doubt luffy would use haki right off the bat, and who knows, maybe Coop's idiocy will ignore Haki or something.

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Pirateking2000
10/09/11 6:57:00 AM
#59:


This was one of the more interesting matches I saw.

I mean would luffy just Gear 2 rush to the cockpit / car and one shot Coop?

Could Haki even work on Coop (since Coop has seen his fair share of WTFHAX combat ranging from planet busters (apparently) intergalactic monsters and sailor moon knockoffs

plus how does megas size compare to some of the sea kings Luffy deals with.

Then there is Megas whole "Blow up the planet" button or "blow up the planet even more' then the "You gotta be kidding me" button

fun match.

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Pirateking2000
10/09/11 8:18:00 AM
#60:


oh and this is also very important

Does luffy accidentally destroy a food stand / steal last scrap of food or something at any point in the fight forcing Coop to do his "Now the gloves are off" speech?

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Argg0
10/09/11 10:22:00 AM
#61:


Luffy

Luffy usually tries avoiding combat if possible. Knocking people uncouncious with Haki is one way he does it. In the 100.000 vs 10 manga, he opens with Haki, dropping instantly 50.000 pirates. That alone would take down Coop, as he is just a normal guy on a cool robot.

If you guys choose to ignore that, Luffy now rushes to victory, he doesn't stall or save secret stuff to later (as DBZ warriors do), he tries to finish as fast as he can.

Megas however doesn't go like that. He likes to have fun. He also is not very durable, I remember it losing limbs many times.

Luffy has the power to take down the robot fast, and he would do so. He also usually aims for the head, which would end up hitting Coop.

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FL81
10/09/11 10:59:00 AM
#62:


From: KimPilgrim | #013
Though I guess he could pass out on the win button or something if we're factoring DEM powers into this.


Y'know, I could actually see something like this happening. >_>

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Pirateking2000
10/09/11 11:15:00 AM
#63:


bump

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Shadowmoon30
10/09/11 11:36:00 AM
#64:


Has anyone said yet how Megas would be able to take down Luffy since Luffy not only has precog but is also a speed demon in gear second.

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Mr3790
10/09/11 11:37:00 AM
#65:


Luffy for aforementioned reasons.

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WickIebee
10/09/11 11:39:00 AM
#66:


Shadowmoon30 posted...
Has anyone said yet how Megas would be able to take down Luffy since Luffy not only has precog but is also a speed demon in gear second.

Apparently all Megas is, is hack buttons which cause anything to happen... thus his votes are people that don't get that Luffy is stronger than his own weaknesses...

He's beaten multiple people that couldn't be harmed by normal attacks...

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Pirateking2000
10/09/11 11:42:00 AM
#67:


Hasn't Megas beaten Planet Busters, dimension hackers, and literally destroyed a planet by accident (the Halo ring world)

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Shadowmoon30
10/09/11 11:53:00 AM
#68:


From: WickIebee | #066
Apparently all Megas is, is hack buttons which cause anything to happen... thus his votes are people that don't get that Luffy is stronger than his own weaknesses...

He's beaten multiple people that couldn't be harmed by normal attacks...


I wish someone would at the least post an argument as to just how Megas wins with out just saying he presses the red button and just wins.
Because that seems on the level of the Doctor waiting in the Tardis until he figures something out.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 11:55:00 AM
#69:


From: Shadowmoon30 | #068
I wish someone would at the least post an argument as to just how Megas wins with out just saying he presses the red button and just wins.
Because that seems on the level of the Doctor waiting in the Tardis until he figures something out.


No, that Doctor argument is dumb because it's out of character. Megas doing this stuff is perfectly in-character. If you want a dumb argument see Wang's argument that he survives having Coop vaporized. THAT is a dumb argument, not the buttons.

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Wanglicious
10/09/11 12:29:00 PM
#70:


it's not 'the red button' as much as 'pretty much any button'. its buttons quite literally are 'it finds a way' no matter how absurd it has to be (see: teleporting slushies).
...and you're gonna have to fill me in on when i ever said that. O_o

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 12:54:00 PM
#71:


From: Wanglicious | #070
it's not 'the red button' as much as 'pretty much any button'. its buttons quite literally are 'it finds a way' no matter how absurd it has to be (see: teleporting slushies).
...and you're gonna have to fill me in on when i ever said that. O_o


Top of the page. I posited that if Megas got blitzed hard enough Coop could die and that would result in a win, you countered with the car being a super car. I'm kind of exaggerating, but my point is, if say, Goku kamehamehas the car, that's that. Megas' reactive scaling isn't that powerful.

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KJH
10/09/11 1:00:00 PM
#72:


Megas XLR.

About a million times more impressive and variable than Luffy's ever been.

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Wanglicious
10/09/11 1:01:00 PM
#73:


...so something that wasn't related to what you said is now a counter for you to draw whatever random conclusions your head comes up. gotcha.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 1:04:00 PM
#74:


From: Wanglicious | #073
...so something that wasn't related to what you said is now a counter for you to draw whatever random conclusions your head comes up. gotcha.


Ah, so you were talking to someone else. I see. Man Wang, you need to do quotes more. >_>

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KJH
10/09/11 1:09:00 PM
#75:


And man. All this One Piece hype, and people entirely ignore what Megas has faced.

People are saying it simply for the most part because he has a huge range of powers usually context sensitive in the best way. He's got tons of weaponry, tons of powers, and is overall way more powerful and durable than anything Luffy's faced.

Doesn't need missiles or lasers. Can just straight up AoE with the press of a button, or wreck enough stuff with his sheer power, durability, and size.

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Wanglicious
10/09/11 1:16:00 PM
#76:


was talking to nobody in particular. just pointing out the fact that despite the fact that he drives a car, and said car is the head of the mech (and looks every bit like one), it for some reason is able to do things that intergalactic ships aren't able to do for no logical reason. is there a reason a 10 cylinder car can survive constantly flying around in space, ignore the atmosphere, be fine in a planet covered in ice, take planets going kaboom, survive inside a giant living planet that has snot-like 'blood cells', or any other random thing in the series? outside of 'it's megas' head', not particularly no. but both it and the mech do a nice job of doing things that don't make a lick of sense, scaling to different levels, and for some reason being damn near invincible when it feels like. goes with DEM powers.


and none of that even comes close to relating to cliffhangers. <_<;

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Liwakip
10/09/11 1:53:00 PM
#77:


Because that seems on the level of the Doctor waiting in the Tardis until he figures something out.

No, that Doctor argument is dumb because it's out of character.


But it DID happen canonically, in "The Girl Who Waited", because the environment was infected with a virus harmless to humans but lethal to him so he literally waited in the TARDIS the near-entire episode.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 1:55:00 PM
#78:


From: Liwakip | #077
Because that seems on the level of the Doctor waiting in the Tardis until he figures something out.

No, that Doctor argument is dumb because it's out of character.


But it DID happen canonically, in "The Girl Who Waited", because the environment was infected with a virus harmless to humans but lethal to him so he literally waited in the TARDIS the near-entire episode.

>_<


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Nemo Incognito
10/09/11 2:29:00 PM
#79:


Luffy scales MEGAS in five seconds and punches Coop through the windshield. It's not like he's hidden inside the robot or anything, and that seems more likely to me than "Coop immediately uses the Five Minutes Until End of Episode button against a single mech-less opponent".

Incidentally Luffy already seems to know what mecha are. Oars (with Luffy's shadow) compares himself to one after seeing the cockpit Moria put in his body. It's not obvious how he knows that but this is the same Luffy who knew what laser beams were without ever having seen one and years before knowing they even existed in his world, so at least he's consistent about it.

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WickIebee
10/09/11 2:40:00 PM
#80:


Well... this contest contains of one side using hack button pushing and the other having exact proof that Luffy would win... No counter evidence against the main piece of proof that Luffy would win... yet people still sit there and vote Megas for hax button...

Again... Button doesn't get pressed if Megas is busted and/or Coop is knocked out...

Prove me wrong!

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 2:42:00 PM
#81:


From: WickIebee | #080
Well... this contest contains of one side using hack button pushing and the other having exact proof that Luffy would win... No counter evidence against the main piece of proof that Luffy would win... yet people still sit there and vote Megas for hax button...

Again... Button doesn't get pressed if Megas is busted and/or Coop is knocked out...

Prove me wrong!


They don't have to. I don't think you quite understand what 'toonforce' means.

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WickIebee
10/09/11 2:51:00 PM
#82:


Toon force isn't on power... this is most POWERFUL fictional character... and by fight overpowered with toonforce, it causes no fight to happen... Thus... No one wins if toonforce exists...

Luffy has been shown to take shark's teeth in his shoulders, which blades were the only thing that harmed him before Haki came along... and the only way to harm him after that is by having just as powerful Haki or destroy the whole planet... Neither of which are funny... give me toonforce there...

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KJH
10/09/11 3:13:00 PM
#83:


Coop's not going to get knocked out when the Megas is going to be blocking all outside influence or he's going to be attempting to use his own mech instead. He literally has to press a button, something he often does by literally slamming his head into it. It'll blast Luffy with AoE that's without a doubt above the paygrade he's survived, put it into some sort of super autopilot mode, make it super fast, or maybe even some reality bending powers.

Also, the fact you even mention shark teeth as a durability feat is a pretty sad argument in his favor. That's like saying a boxer's taken a punch before, so that'll surely help him fight and survive against a literal tank.

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edwardsdv
10/09/11 3:14:00 PM
#84:


Wicklebee's arguments are really dumb.

He's trying to loophole his way out of a Big Red Buttoning.

MegasXLR

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 3:15:00 PM
#85:


From: WickIebee | #082
Toon force isn't on power... this is most POWERFUL fictional character... and by fight overpowered with toonforce, it causes no fight to happen... Thus... No one wins if toonforce exists...

Luffy has been shown to take shark's teeth in his shoulders, which blades were the only thing that harmed him before Haki came along... and the only way to harm him after that is by having just as powerful Haki or destroy the whole planet... Neither of which are funny... give me toonforce there...


Toonforce is a power. It's the power of being a cartoon character.

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Chrono1219
10/09/11 3:16:00 PM
#86:


Luffy

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KJH
10/09/11 3:18:00 PM
#87:


Megas has literally blown up a space station using nothing but it's sound systems.

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Haguile
10/09/11 3:22:00 PM
#88:


There's a fairly high chance as well that Luffy wouldn't use Haki or anything at first. He'd just go "HOLY S*** IT'S A GIANT ROBOT AND IT LOOKS SO SUPER AWESOME" and stand in awe for a few seconds.

And Coop is...very likely to just go random with his buttons.

So Megas.

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WickIebee
10/09/11 3:23:00 PM
#89:


KJH posted...
Coop's not going to get knocked out when the Megas is going to be blocking all outside influence or he's going to be attempting to use his own mech instead. He literally has to press a button, something he often does by literally slamming his head into it. It'll blast Luffy with AoE that's without a doubt above the paygrade he's survived, put it into some sort of super autopilot mode, make it super fast, or maybe even some reality bending powers.

You aren't looking towards the beginning... Haki has the power to knock someone out due to lack of willpower just by looking at them... It can hit Coop without Megas interfearing

Also, the fact you even mention shark teeth as a durability feat is a pretty sad argument in his favor. That's like saying a boxer's taken a punch before, so that'll surely help him fight and survive against a literal tank.

Not what the point was... it was to say that Luffy back before getting stronger could take hits from his own weakness... meaning getting cut by swords... but after the timeskip... someone like Arlong wouldn't have been able to bite into him...

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WickIebee
10/09/11 3:25:00 PM
#90:


Haguile posted...
There's a fairly high chance as well that Luffy wouldn't use Haki or anything at first. He'd just go "HOLY S*** IT'S A GIANT ROBOT AND IT LOOKS SO SUPER AWESOME" and stand in awe for a few seconds.

And Coop is...very likely to just go random with his buttons.

So Megas.



Argg0 posted...
Luffy

Luffy usually tries avoiding combat if possible. Knocking people uncouncious with Haki is one way he does it. In the 100.000 vs 10 manga, he opens with Haki, dropping instantly 50.000 pirates. That alone would take down Coop, as he is just a normal guy on a cool robot.

If you guys choose to ignore that, Luffy now rushes to victory, he doesn't stall or save secret stuff to later (as DBZ warriors do), he tries to finish as fast as he can.

Megas however doesn't go like that. He likes to have fun. He also is not very durable, I remember it losing limbs many times.

Luffy has the power to take down the robot fast, and he would do so. He also usually aims for the head, which would end up hitting Coop.



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edwardsdv
10/09/11 3:33:00 PM
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Also yeah its pretty clear that anyone voting against Megas hasnt watched the show at all. Luffy obeys too many of the laws of conventional storyltelling to overcome Megas.

Also HAKI 3, from my understanding, basically follows the rule of importance to the narrative as well. It wouldn't knock out, say Chopper or one of the weaker yet still important straw hats most likely. It basically is just a crowd control power that has rarely functioned vs. anyone important..

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McMoogle
10/09/11 3:52:00 PM
#92:


Megas

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10/09/11 5:03:00 PM
#93:


In general, the Luffy arguments seem to rely on one of two things:
(1) Coop gets confused about his own buttons (well, that was mostly a Wicklebee argument)
(2) Luffy takes Coop out before he can push a button

I don't buy either premise. The first is just silly; it's his own mech. As for the second, I watched the video that Wicklebee posted earlier to hype Luffy's speed. Luffy's combat techniques are extremely fast, but there would have been plenty of time for his opponent to push all sorts of buttons.

So yeah. DEM takes it.

Megas


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Pirateking2000
10/09/11 6:36:00 PM
#94:


doesn't kings Haki knock out less experienced people

I mean Coop HAS gone head to head with a ton of hax enemies.

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edwardsdv
10/09/11 7:01:00 PM
#95:


Pirateking2000 posted...
doesn't kings Haki knock out less experienced people

I mean Coop HAS gone head to head with a ton of hax enemies.


In less trolly terms that basically what I meant.

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