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(3) Megas XLR
From the series with the same name, Megas XLR is a building-sized mech piloted by Coop, a slacker with amazing videogame talents. Megas is equipped with a wide arsenal of weapons, from lasers to missiles, can fly, and possesses tremendous strength. Its greatest asset, however, is its Big Red Button, which always provides a useful attack for the situation at hand. The button seems to be context sensitive, as it even reacts to previous uses of itself (changing its tag from "Fire Missiles" to "Fire More Missiles", and finally "Fire All Da Missiles"), making it very handy in a fight.
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(6)Monkey D. Luffy From One Piece, Monkey D. Luffy is the captain of the Straw Hat Pirates. Luffy gained rubber-like stretching powers from eating the Gum Gum devil fruit at the cost of losing his ability to swim; this rubberiness allows Luffy to use velocity and recoil to strike enemies with devastating impact. His rubber body is virtually immune to recoil attacks; as such, blunt objects, punches, and bullets deflect off of him, though he can still be hurt by strong blows. Luffy's fighting style is largely improvised, and follows no code of honor.
Luffy can also boost himself to Gear Second, which takes blood from his calves and uses it to increase his metabolism, and Gear Third, which grants him oversized limbs. Both of these states eventually do some degree of harm to Luffy, however. He has also indicated that he possesses some degree of “Haki” ability, which he unconsciously activates in moments of extreme stress or when his friends are in danger.
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I guess I should ask up front (although I don't think it matters in this match), but under what circumstances would Coop hit the deus ex machina button? Desperation? Boredom?
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From: DeathChicken | #002 I guess I should ask up front (although I don't think it matters in this match), but under what circumstances would Coop hit the deus ex machina button? Desperation? Boredom?
It's kinda spammable. Not quite a deus ex machina either though, if I'm remembering Megas XLR correctly, but it's not like he has any compunctions about using it.
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WickIebee posted... Well... this is the moment when I go...
Luffy after Timeskip has full power over Haki... thus... combined with Gear Second has the power to beat the Pacifista...
What does "full power over haki" allow him to do?
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redrocket posted... WickIebee posted... Well... this is the moment when I go...
Luffy after Timeskip has full power over Haki... thus... combined with Gear Second has the power to beat the Pacifista...
What does "full power over haki" allow him to do?
I don't have the manga chapters, otherwise I'd link them... but his anime has only shown him be able to use what his yelling did with just looking... there aren't Youtube vids of it... maybe after later tonight due to knew ep that has Luffy fighting after Time Skip is coming in...
But there are three types of haki... Sensing everything (positions, attacks, etc), Layering on as a defense (basically able to block hits and cause them to bounce off), and the thing that can make those of weak minds fall... Luffy has full control of all three...
SupremeZero posted... Coat himself in it for the most part, thus far.
...which has what effect, exactly?
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Megas. sucks for luffy, but that robot's got a button for everything. if you've got any weakness at all you're pretty much screwed since either the robot or Coop somehow would know. 'sides, its parameters for some reason actually are pretty nice.
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I'm pretty sure Coop is just a regular fat guy. I didn't watch a ton of Megas. Though I guess he could pass out on the win button or something if we're factoring DEM powers into this.
and no, there pretty much are multiple DEM buttons on it. from retcons to destroying the world to destroying the world worse and of course the classic 'end episode' one. and they get pressed in pretty much every episode. the robot's entirely context sensitive and is a walking machine of "will find a way" because that's quite literally what it does. button happens, way is found.
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and so y'know, all those are actually buttons it's had. hell i'm pretty sure the end episode one has two different variations of it to achieve the goal.
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I think he's saying that the Retcon button probably isn't going to be hit until a fairly severe situation anyway, and if that involves making Coop pass out or breaking the robot, he obviously can't hit the thing at all
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Drakeryn posted... Are you suggesting that Luffy can and will blitz him before he is able to push a button?
Are you suggesting that Coop would know anything and how to win by pushing a button before Luffy realizes that he's facing a robot?
First time the Strawhat Crew realized the Pacifista was a robot, they went all out... Luffy went all out upon seeing a Pacifista in Saobody... This is a robot... it would leave one of two reactions:
1) Make Luffy think it's another Pacifista and go all-out at once...
or 2) Attempt to use the 3rd form of Haki and knock out the user before either do anything else...
....coop doesn't need to know anything to push buttons. and pushing buttons are pretty much what the guy does. even with his forehead no less. hell, DDR once. there's a button for everything in that mech, and the right one's always the one to press.
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Haki is basically the red button of the One Piece universe. Also if Luffy uses his king's deposition Haki (or whatever it goes by this day) this match is literally over.
Wanglicious posted... ....coop doesn't need to know anything to push buttons. and pushing buttons are pretty much what the guy does. even with his forehead no less. hell, DDR once. there's a button for everything in that mech, and the right one's always the one to press.
Yet has it worked on someone from another universe? It doesn't prove that the mech itself will know how to deal with someone not from his own universe
First time the Strawhat Crew realized the Pacifista was a robot, they went all out... Luffy went all out upon seeing a Pacifista in Saobody... This is a robot... it would leave one of two reactions:
1) Make Luffy think it's another Pacifista and go all-out at once...
or 2) Attempt to use the 3rd form of Haki and knock out the user before either do anything else...
Both are within his character
Er, well, that kind of settles it if true. Luffy. Doesn't matter how many deus ex buttons there are, if Coop is out cold or if he doesn't have a mech anymore
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...that's a dumb argument if no other universe exists. the only question there is if it works that way to things unknown to it, which obviously yes. you don't go around destroying planets, retcon'ing things, or mess around with time fighting what you know.
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the mech's aware of how much time is left in an episode. why would it kill all the entertainment possible by DEM'ing the fight if it's got good time before that happens? when time's low it's shown to DEM to make sure it could wrap it up with delicious content filled robot action. that's pretty much the entire point of i win buttons there. if the fight ain't gonna be long or flashy no reason they wouldn't be the ones available/pressed. if it is, then there'd be other button presses until that point. or it'd just win outright but really same principle. they ain't gonna ruin a good half hour by finishing a fight in a minute for the show, but if the fight's only got a minute left, well, it'd be a quick minute.
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Team Rocket Elite posted... Is it really that easy for Luffy to just bust up Megas XLR? I thought Megas XLR was still pretty strong even before pushing anything buttons.
With Haki, Luffy already was shown to be able to punch a cyborg to the ground... he clearly has the strength to bust up Megas... if he doesn't use the third haki power instead...
Wanglicious posted... the mech's aware of how much time is left in an episode. why would it kill all the entertainment possible by DEM'ing the fight if it's got good time before that happens? when time's low it's shown to DEM to make sure it could wrap it up with delicious content filled robot action. that's pretty much the entire point of i win buttons there. if the fight ain't gonna be long or flashy no reason they wouldn't be the ones available/pressed. if it is, then there'd be other button presses until that point. or it'd just win outright but really same principle. they ain't gonna ruin a good half hour by finishing a fight in a minute for the show, but if the fight's only got a minute left, well, it'd be a quick minute.
We aren't talking episodes... there's a good chance every button will be highlighted in the suit since Megas would have a few ways to fight Luffy if it even knew how to fight right off the bat... which once again... is a delay for choosing a button while Luffy either busts up the robot or knocks out the pilot
From: WickIebee | #034 Wanglicious posted... the mech's aware of how much time is left in an episode. why would it kill all the entertainment possible by DEM'ing the fight if it's got good time before that happens? when time's low it's shown to DEM to make sure it could wrap it up with delicious content filled robot action. that's pretty much the entire point of i win buttons there. if the fight ain't gonna be long or flashy no reason they wouldn't be the ones available/pressed. if it is, then there'd be other button presses until that point. or it'd just win outright but really same principle. they ain't gonna ruin a good half hour by finishing a fight in a minute for the show, but if the fight's only got a minute left, well, it'd be a quick minute.
We aren't talking episodes... there's a good chance every button will be highlighted in the suit since Megas would have a few ways to fight Luffy if it even knew how to fight right off the bat... which once again... is a delay for choosing a button while Luffy either busts up the robot or knocks out the pilot
It could, as a matter of fact, be argued that every MPFC match is a single episode of a tournament arc. Or multiple ones if the fight lasts several pages. This isn't necessarily the truth, but it's a real possibility.
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Eh, I'm tentatively going Megas here. If better arguments for Luffy come out I may change it, but as it stands Megas is looking superior.
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well, parameter wise all i remember off the top of my head was a planet sized tentacle monster that was coming to earth that ate radio waves. they fought against it for a bit, went inside it and got attacked by stuff, got snot all over 'em, and it eventually exploded with 'em nearby because it had a fridge with soda and pop rocks fired into it.
though as you'd expect, cartoon. it'd suck if it were ALWAYS at that level, therefore it has to be weaker in other episodes too, just so it can win in dramatic fashion. aka, it power scales. though there's a min somehwere, hell if i know what it was.
We aren't talking episodes...
way to miss the point. in the context of the show it knew any time the episode and fight was going to end. it's not gonna do an i win button 2 minutes in because that'd suck. meaning, it knows that 1) there's 2 minutes left, and 2) it dragged it out to 2 minutes left.
if the fight's only got 2 minutes to it, well, it'll do what it needs to do.
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Emporer_Kazbar posted... Eh, I'm tentatively going Megas here. If better arguments for Luffy come out I may change it, but as it stands Megas is looking superior.
You sure you are reading the right side? Because again... this piece is the current argument:
Delay of Instant Win button pushing, Use of Haki to pwn a robot OR its pilot before above... and, lack of pushing the right button since it's hard to figure out a correct thing to do when someone can counter his own weaknesses...
But which one? There are too many buttons to get a perfect push... or at least... probably enough to confuse the driver
All of them. Coop divebombs the controls and hits them all that way.
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nope, there isn't any confusion on the buttons. why would there be. the ones that work would be there to press.
an example of how entertaining that gets? watched an episode just now, last of the first season. they're stuck int he ship of the futuristic alien race (that was killing humanity and the rest of the univverse in the future, Megas was the mech of salvation there) with thousands of enemy mechs inside. coop decides to drive around in his car for a while, gets surrounded by said thousands, calls the robot in because he could (and yet didn't do it any point before that because, in his words, 'where's the fun in that?'), kicked their asses, got beat up a bit, had a stereotypical yet very dramatic 'last scene' type moment before it being completely irrelevant and considered a joke for both coop and the mech. he asks for a bigger gun from the enemy, they make a giant city-sized cannon (that'll kill everyone on the planet), insert a scene with these buttons:
and yet, after some 2 button presses he manages to replicate that busted save the world button. what does it do?
it teleports his slushie directly to the enemy's computer controlling the giant cannon so it can tip over, wreck the electronics at exactly the point where they can't cancel the energy build up, causing it to have a massive backlash as he destroys their home and the alien race.
literally knew exactly where to hit them. alien boss is stumped and asks how. answer to it basically being 'episode was ending, what else is it gonna hit?'
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it's quite literally driven by DEM. if the opponent's got something powerful, it has no problem getting there, or just pulling some bizarre, following-no-logic sequence of events to win. even if said sequence is teleporting a delicious beverage inside the enemy base, on top of the main computer, in order to spill and make it short in a way that prevents the action from being canceled. winning is simply what it does, however it needs to be done, and it'll be sure to scale to whatever opponent it wants to face to match it.
or the short version goes unless you're a crazy good reality warper, it wins.
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That breaks the confusion of buttons argument... but still doesn't break how Luffy starts a fight... Which again, would be automatically crushing the ability to push buttons due to Haki...
From: Wanglicious | #045 it's quite literally driven by DEM. if the opponent's got something powerful, it has no problem getting there, or just pulling some bizarre, following-no-logic sequence of events to win. even if said sequence is teleporting a delicious beverage inside the enemy base, on top of the main computer, in order to spill and make it short in a way that prevents the action from being canceled. winning is simply what it does, however it needs to be done, and it'll be sure to scale to whatever opponent it wants to face to match it.
or the short version goes unless you're a crazy good reality warper, it wins.
Or you blitz it. Raw power works just fine against Megas.
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why on earth have you not seen the show bellis. this isn't the first time he's been in these things! by now i thought all the regs have seen it.
2's like i said, it does its finishing...whatever it finishes with to end the ep. it's fully aware of it (there was a button saying there was 5 minutes left to the show once, where it dem'd up to finish). answer to 4 is pretty much the same thing. i mean he likes missiles and pummeling, hell even cool energy sword things when he had it, but it's got nukes in it too. and can destroy the world. or destroy it even worse. whatever that means. how? who knows! it's megas. you don't question the buttons. they're pretty much magic(ally awesome).
and there's no confusion to the buttons. it's his buttons and his robot. even when there aren't buttons to press due to them not working, they STILL will get pressed somehow, like 'save the world' there. or the shooting a fridge with soda and pop rocks and a planet sized tentacle monster? pure 'accident'. an EMP was meant to be fired, but he replaced it with a fridge because EMPs don't do anything. worked better!
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I am going to be going with Luffy on this one He has the power to not only bust up the Megas in a straight fight haki can make even normal wooden stone head arrows powerful enough to break through solid stone with Luffy already being able to at his lowest showings punch through solid bedrock. Also Luffy has already been seen combining haki with his gear third powers and showing no ill effects at all from doing so. Added onto that haki also gives Luffy very good precoc which was shown to be good enough to dodge a gun fired at his head from point blank. combine that with the fact that Luffy is made of rubber making blunt force attacks not even work on him... Just how would Megas manage to hit/hurt Luffy who would either
A: Not be effected at all by attacks (blunt force bullets etc) or B: Dodge around/inbetween attacks such as missiles.
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