This is all just common sense basically, which means it is the opposite of what you hear from the government and the statist shills who comprise the mainstream media.
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Why shouldn't the government try to help its people be healthier?
I mean I'm all for lazy fatties getting weeded out by natural selection but the options and knowledge should be available for people that have the will to change, IMO.
The advertising one sounds counter-intuitive to me. What are the junk-food advertisers getting paid for if it doesn't actually get people to buy their product? It's possible that it just gets people to buy one particular junk-food over another but I would have guessed it would lead to more overall junk-food purchase in general.
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Options are available. They are made available by the free market.
The reason the government shouldn't "try to help" is because the only way the government CAN help is by RESTRICTING your freedom and choices. Their solution to "food deserts" isn't to add supermarkets. They can't do that. Private industry simply will not build where it is not profitable to build. No, their solution is byzantine zoning regulations that prevent fast food from opening up new locations in certain areas. Which of course, turns current fast-food locations into cartels with government-enforced backing. Government does not create, it only destroys.
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Well, it doesn't say that advertising doesn't work, it says that there is no link between advertising and childhood obesity. In other words, perhaps the parents are doing what parents have always done, and have always been expected to do, and making these decisions themselves.
When a child becomes fat because their parents feed them nothing but junk food, that is a failure of the parents, not a failure of government. It calls for parents to change their behaviors, not for government to impose mandates on the whole of society.
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What I want to know is why Republicans are always decrying spending on Healthcare and Education -- but avoid all the terrible spending decisions of our government that could be corrected -- but haven't been.
I agree with everything but point #1 - there's no way impoverished inner city residents will have easy access to fresh fruit/veggies if they're in a food desert.
I agree with everything but point #1 - there's no way impoverished inner city residents will have easy access to fresh fruit/veggies if they're in a food desert.
But the article clearly states that the overwhelming majority of them have access to a car.
"Food desert" is a made up concept designed to get people to favor government social engineering.
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From: SmartMuffin | #017 But the article clearly states that the overwhelming majority of them have access to a car.
Yes, because gas is free.
That said, I agree with the other four 'myths' but that doesn't mean the government shouldn't try to get involved in some way or another. That's not what the article is about either, but it's typical that Smuffin would get that from it
Maybe you should read the article again a little more closely.
Why would someone have a car if they cannot afford ANY gas? Why would you have a car if you didn't need it to occasionally leave the immediate area around your house?
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People in urban communities do not live "hours" away from a grocery store. The only way it's possible to be THAT far from one is to be very VERY rural, and the amount of people who live in those areas is incredibly small, and most of them live there by choice.
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SmartMuffin posted... Government does not create, it only destroys.
Counterpoint: the Trans Canada Railway. (And these days roads). These are government creations that are a huge help to business, incidentally.
And the point #1 about "access to a car" is silly. I have access to a car; know what grocery store I frequent? The really close one. Even better if I can sensibly walk to it.
Among other things, if a trip to the grocery store is a huge pain in the ass, I'm going to buy in bulk and not make that trip very often...which in turn means I don't buy much fresh fruit and vegetables and milk since it will go mouldy before my next trip, guaranteed.
Say what you want about statistics, but having lived in multiple different locations, my buying habits absolutely do vary depending on what's easily available.
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If you trust so little in your own people that you want to government to regulate what you eat, I think it's time to get some perspective.
Those who eat themselves into morbid obesity have the right to self destruct, by law and by nature. Salvage who you can yourself, because government rule will affect everybody.
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Biolizard28 posted... Those who eat themselves into morbid obesity have the right to self destruct, by law and by nature.
Well...not automatically.
There's drugs that cause people to self-destruct; those tend to be illegal. Generally speaking, suicide is illegal. Seatbelt laws are pretty universal.
So...there's a precedent for protective laws. Furthermore...
If the government is going to pay for the health care costs when someone has a heart attack and is brought to the emergency room (which they often do end up paying in the US) then it makes financial sense for the government to reduce the risk of heart attack.
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Just because one guy wants to binge on McDonald's for the rest of his life, he has to make it so people with self control and a sense of responsibility such as myself can't even eat there twice a month.
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I do wonder what food deserts in the US look like because in Canada excluding our three territories if you live more than 1 hour from a supermarket you're living in farm land and you have access to healthy food.
Biolizard28 posted... Literally comparing drugs and food.
Just because one guy wants to binge on McDonald's for the rest of his life, he has to make it so people with self control and a sense of responsibility such as myself can't even eat there twice a month.
You can't eat at McDonald's twice a month?
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As for the myths, I don't know really enough about them to make much commentary. I think the advertising myth seems a bit sneaky because there's a lot more at play than what they discuss. They just kinda say "nope. DEBUNK'D".
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I wouldn't even blame it on junk food, i ate like **** for most of my life and was never fat because I'm actually active. I have developed some other health issues that have forced me to clean that up, but really, if you aren't sitting on your ass all day you shouldn't be obese, that simple
If you trust so little in your own people that you want to government to regulate what you eat, I think it's time to get some perspective.
the american people as a whole have done everything to earn a lack of trust. it shouldn't be regulated because hey, some of us are still sane...I think if anything they should make fast food even more unhealthy so the whales just start dying off before they can have children and raise them to be as stupid as they were
Leebo86 posted... From: demonfang178 | #029 A survey by the USDA found that, by weight, bottled water is cheaper than soda
You needed a survey for that? You want the USDA to say "by our best guesstimate, by weight, bottled water is cheaper than soda."
No, I just think a survey is a little extravagant with I personally believed this to be empirical fact for the last [insert whenever soda was invented] years.
How is it "extravagant?" A survey just means they looked at prices around the country and compared them. You can't assume something without analyzing it if you're going to report it.
I really don't understand why people drink so much soda, it's more expensive than water and tea, it's terrible for you, and doesn't even taste that good most of the time. I don't always eat the best foods myself but I think drinking healthy should be an easy enough change for most people...
Leebo86 posted... How is it "extravagant?" A survey just means they looked at prices around the country and compared them. You can't assume something without analyzing it if you're going to report it.
Oh wait? We're going about that kind of survey? That's more or less what I did. My mistake; didn't have breakfast this morning.
Biolizard28 posted... Literally comparing drugs and food.
To be fair, it goes both ways. There are certainly advocacy groups that want to legalize all drugs; some countries have even done so, and claim positive results.
(And really, why wouldn't drugs and food be compared? Two products that people buy which end up in their bodies and can cause health problems if done to excess. I know I've seen trans fat health risks compared to smoking health risks, for instance).
Biolizard28 posted... Just because one guy wants to binge on McDonald's for the rest of his life, he has to make it so people with self control and a sense of responsibility such as myself can't even eat there twice a month.
And there are people who do heroin once a month and otherwise lead healthy, productive lives. And people who drink a little champagne on New Years and don't have alcohol or liver problems. See? Analogy still works.
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there's a few varieties I like but I find most of it disgusting and what I do like isn't even worth it when I could get some fruit juice instead when I want something sweet, it boggles my ****ing mind when I see people just drinking coke like it was water
My point is that your personal distaste for soda can't be extrapolated to other people. People who drink a lot obviously do enjoy the taste more than you're imagining.
And there are people who do heroin once a month and otherwise lead healthy, productive lives. And people who drink a little champagne on New Years and don't have alcohol or liver problems. See? Analogy still works.
you see this a lot with weed, alcohol, mushrooms...never heard of casual heroin or cocaine users, that **** will generally **** anyones life up hard.
Liquid Wind posted... I really don't understand why people drink so much soda, it's more expensive than water and tea, it's terrible for you, and doesn't even taste that good most of the time. I don't always eat the best foods myself but I think drinking healthy should be an easy enough change for most people...
It tastes good, carbonation, it has sugar/sweeteners in it, and caffeine.
I do agree that it's an easy enough change for people, and usually the first thing to go for people that want to change.
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Drink water for 90+% of all your liquid for a few months then try a soda and see if you don't feel like drinking more water to wash down all the stickyness
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From: foolm0ron | #044 Drink water for 90+% of all your liquid for a few months then try a soda and see if you don't feel like drinking more water to wash down all the stickyness
That's not really related to what he said, which was basically "people who drink soda like it as little as I do and drink it anyway."
From: Leebo86 | #045 That's not really related to what he said, which was basically "people who drink soda like it as little as I do and drink it anyway."
Kind of. It's more like many of them only drink it out of habit and if they switched to mostly water they would find themselves enjoying it less.
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That's not really related to what he said, which was basically "people who drink soda like it as little as I do and drink it anyway."
what foolmo said is true, I used to drink a lot of soda. most of it honestly disgusts me now that I'm more used to drinking water, tea, milk, and fruit juices pretty much. it's an acquired/habitual taste, you stop doing it for a while and it stops appealing to you