I see it everywhere, but especially here and in any online game I play with people.
The first sign of constructive criticism and they go into a defense mechanism of sorts.
I sincerely want input on this because it's the strangest phenomenon?.
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TheConductorSix 10/31/11 6:22:00 PM #1: |
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GANON1025 10/31/11 6:23:00 PM #2: |
Yeah that's real strange
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Justin_Crossing 10/31/11 6:24:00 PM #3: |
realo to be fair
you do it too sometimes >_> -- ~Acting on Impulse~ Black Turtle still didn't MAJORA'S MASK ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Natwaf_akidna 10/31/11 6:24:00 PM #4: |
Example of this "constructive" criticism.
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ChumpMoney 10/31/11 6:25:00 PM #5: |
the internet is a strange place
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Mr Lasastryke 10/31/11 6:25:00 PM #6: |
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TheRock1525 10/31/11 6:26:00 PM #7: |
I sincerely want input on this because it's the strangest phenomenon?.
What's so strange about not wanting to be criticized? I agree that people SHOULD be able to take constructive criticism, but I think its human nature to become defensive when people pick out our flaws. -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voltch 10/31/11 6:27:00 PM #8: |
You suck realo :D
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TheCodeisBosco 10/31/11 6:30:00 PM #9: |
It's one thing that people can't accept criticism aimed towards them; but what especially kills me is how defensive people get when someone criticizes a movie, TV show, video game, etc. that they like.
Seriously, when Uncharted 3 got an 8/10, people were acting as if Eurogamer cussed out their mothers. >_> What the heck, guys?!? Grow some thicker skin, for real! -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 10/31/11 6:33:00 PM #11: |
All joking aside, how do you take criticism, Ulti?
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Justin_Crossing 10/31/11 6:35:00 PM #12: |
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Panthera 10/31/11 6:38:00 PM #13: |
"Anymore"? There was a time when people did take criticism in a way that didn't involve yelling "no shut up I hate you"?
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voltch 10/31/11 7:12:00 PM #14: |
You throw like a girl realo.
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LeonhartFour 10/31/11 7:18:00 PM #15: |
Your FACE can't take criticism.
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Kenshin171 10/31/11 7:25:00 PM #16: |
It stems from pluralism. How could you insult what someone does or how they do it? It's their way, so it's perfectly valid for them and you have no right to criticize them. Everyone is right and everyone wins.
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PartOfYourWorld 10/31/11 7:28:00 PM #17: |
How often do people around here offer constructive criticism in the first place? Flames and thinly veiled insults are more common, I think.
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UItimaterializer 10/31/11 7:31:00 PM #18: |
TheRock1525 posted...
All joking aside, how do you take criticism, Ulti? If legit, I try to improve myself. I didn't grow up in the everyone wins era, so I learned to basically get better or get buried. There's a difference between criticism and jealousy though, and I just laugh at the latter. But yeah, nothing wrong with someone outright saying what you need to improve about yourself. Those who ignore that advice grow up to be like the jp or maplejet. Fat, lonely, unable to get a girl, obsessed with hobbies and blaming everyone except the man in the mirror for their problems. I'll bet you anything their parents coddled them and told them they could do no wrong. I've never been that way and never will, because it would drive me nuts. If I weighed 400 pounds, how does crying about people not liking me on a forum help me lose weight and improve social skills? I will never "get" these people. -- Get the X out. Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UItimaterializer 10/31/11 7:33:00 PM #19: |
PartOfYourWorld posted...
How often do people around here offer constructive criticism in the first place? Flames and thinly veiled insults are more common, I think. I offer it all the time, usually I get met with hyper-defensiveness. Look at how that whirlybird kid acted in Commodore's topic earlier today. Instead of getting help for his aspergers and learning proper social order, he'd rather do the "YOU HURT ME FEELINGS STOP MAKING FUN OF ME OR I TELL ON YOU" crap. Take a wild guess which among he or Commodore is destined for the better life. -- Get the X out. Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UItimaterializer 10/31/11 7:34:00 PM #20: |
Oh.
GameFAQs users are the worst with this crap thanks to the anonymous marking system. Make the entire thing public and this userbase grows up pretty damn quick. -- Get the X out. Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RPGLord95 10/31/11 7:48:00 PM #21: |
I blame Rock
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TheRock1525 10/31/11 7:52:00 PM #22: |
RPGLord95 posted...
I blame Rock I do, too! -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlecTrevelyan006 10/31/11 8:02:00 PM #23: |
From: UItimaterializer | #018 Constructive criticism: Perhaps you should widen your definition of "legit" criticisms, as it seems to be so narrow as to preclude most of us from ever having seen an instance of it happening. -- http://img.imgcake.com/alec1pngus.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 10/31/11 8:04:00 PM #24: |
From: UItimaterializer | #019 Likely because it's generally not as constructive as you think. -- http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8718/leonflowchart.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BestFly 10/31/11 8:07:00 PM #25: |
To be fair, 99 percent of the people giving criticism are not qualified to give it.
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foolm0ron 10/31/11 8:16:00 PM #26: |
It's not strange to be defensive, it's human nature. But it's definitely illogical and unecessary.
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TheConductorSix 11/01/11 9:13:00 PM #27: |
I think Ulti's theory is closest to my own. Our current culture is so Kindergarten and aims to protect everyone from everything that we've become those kids whose first real dose of reality comes at college. We ALL know those kids: the really awkward ones who seem to be learning everything for the first time and tend to over do EVERYTHING without any self control. Now, I do agree that both sides are to blame: one side doesn't know how to criticize without being rude and condescending and the other can't take criticism without going into a defensive shell. In the end it's probably not significant, just something i've noticed that bothers me.
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UItimaterializer 11/01/11 9:20:00 PM #28: |
AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
From: UItimaterializer | #018 TheRock1525 posted... All joking aside, how do you take criticism, Ulti? If legit, I try to improve myself. I didn't grow up in the everyone wins era, so I learned to basically get better or get buried. There's a difference between criticism and jealousy though, and I just laugh at the latter. Constructive criticism: Perhaps you should widen your definition of "legit" criticisms, as it seems to be so narrow as to preclude most of us from ever having seen an instance of it happening. First thing I can think of is Chris helping me become better at mafia. You might think it's rare, but I am well aware of my faults and improve them whenever I can. -- Get the X out. Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 11/01/11 9:23:00 PM #29: |
From: TheConductorSix | #027 Which is why throughout all of time, those who know how to constantly improve themselves on their own are always more successful that those that need others. -- _foolmo_ 'It's easy to get yourself in trouble if you start quoting people who don't like you in your signature' - Mods ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liquid Wind 11/01/11 9:27:00 PM #30: |
you're part of this too you know, look at your post in ayuyu's topic. we've gotten to the point where we coddle people so much that it is socially unacceptable to criticize someone when they are blatantly wrong, you have to treat everyone with kid gloves in this age of political correctness.
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BIGPUN9999 11/01/11 9:34:00 PM #31: |
*doesn't read topic*
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WalrusJump 11/01/11 9:46:00 PM #32: |
the constructive criticism i've seen you give is lobbing keywords like Alpha/Beta around and wondering why people get upset at being labeled a Beta male.
if you said something like "you need to have more self-confidence" you'd be saying the same thing but people would react differently. Ulti likes to rag on users like maplejet who clearly have enough problems of their own rather than actually give them constructive criticism. if "being coddled" means growing up in stable, supportive environments then yes, i'd say we are increasingly in that category. If you yourself haven't, then I'm sorry, but trying to pass it off as a bad thing somehow doesn't make sense. note that stable =/= overprotective. That's a different issue entirely. -- Black Turtle shoots the lights out ... Copied to Clipboard!
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paperwarior 11/01/11 9:49:00 PM #33: |
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SmartMuffin 11/01/11 9:51:00 PM #34: |
Because we've all grown up in a society that from day one has latched onto the idiot self esteem movement and tried to convince us that we're the greatest thing ever.
So when someone implies we aren't, it conflicts with everything we've ever been taught to believe. Almost our entire culture is inundated with false messages: Just be yourself, everyone is equal, you can be whatever you want, etc. Reality is tough to deal with if you've never had to deal with it before, and most Americans live such a sheltered existence that very few have. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized http://img.imgcake.com/gadsdenflaggifda.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Real Truth 11/01/11 9:52:00 PM #35: |
I personally like to attack everyone at all times.
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ExThaNemesis 11/01/11 9:54:00 PM #36: |
From: WalrusJump | #032 I see what you're saying here, but when I recognized how much of an absolute beta I was (with Realo's help), instead of putting myself in a protective shell and going 'nu-uh youre wrong' I have spent the past year and a half trying to improve myself. Why can't the other people who get called betas (or have other flaws pointed out) realize them and try to improve in the same way? -- http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/984/rvpi.jpg "I was wrong" - SmartMuffin ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SmartMuffin 11/01/11 9:56:00 PM #37: |
Why can't the other people who get called betas (or have other flaws pointed out) realize them and try to improve in the same way?
Maybe you don't believe being a beta is a flaw. Or maybe you're like me and you're just so goddamn stubborn and egomaniacal that you'd rather just keep your flaws then change to better fit in with society or whatevs. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized http://img.imgcake.com/gadsdenflaggifda.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WalrusJump 11/01/11 10:02:00 PM #38: |
ExThaNemesis posted...
I see what you're saying here, but when I recognized how much of an absolute beta I was (with Realo's help), instead of putting myself in a protective shell and going 'nu-uh youre wrong' I have spent the past year and a half trying to improve myself. Why can't the other people who get called betas (or have other flaws pointed out) realize them and try to improve in the same way? it's more useful for those other people to get advice on how to fix those flaws than to just have them pointed out - that's what's constructive about constructive criticism. they should be more thick-skinned too, not gonna dispute that. but that's why less constructive criticism bounces off them. -- Black Turtle shoots the lights out ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liquid Wind 11/01/11 10:04:00 PM #39: |
if "being coddled" means growing up in stable, supportive environments then yes, i'd say we are increasingly in that category. If you yourself haven't, then I'm sorry, but trying to pass it off as a bad thing somehow doesn't make sense.
note that stable =/= overprotective. That's a different issue entirely. there is such a thing as over supportive, people have to learn how to stand on their own two feet someday. having a stable environment is great, I'm not saying we'd be better off like some countries in africa where you have 8 year olds patrolling the streets with AK47's, but we are WAY too sensitive to peoples feelings in this country. you can't protect someones self esteem at the expense of the truth, the BS will catch up to us sooner or later(arguably it already is) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlecTrevelyan006 11/01/11 10:04:00 PM #40: |
Smuffin does not have flaws, he has merely utilized his freedom to dedicate certain parts of his personality to investigating the market forces of inferior goods in a very personal setting.
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Greyfeld 11/01/11 10:06:00 PM #41: |
Liquid Wind posted...
you're part of this too you know, look at your post in ayuyu's topic. we've gotten to the point where we coddle people so much that it is socially unacceptable to criticize someone when they are blatantly wrong, you have to treat everyone with kid gloves in this age of political correctness. I don't know about that. It kinda comes down to how a person presents their criticism. It's easy to criticize. It's not so easy to be sensitive about it. I would know, I've been working on doing it properly for years. Still doesn't come out right, half the time. I have a very low tolerance for people in general. And Ulti, I've always gotten the impression that you're a good guy, but you really are a huge d*** the majority of the time :P -- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Greyfeld 11/02/11 12:37:00 AM #43: |
lol sorry ulti, but that's not constructive, that's just criticism. Sorry to burst your bubble :P
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Lopen 11/02/11 12:50:00 AM #44: |
Yeah Ulti takes constructive criticism pretty well I think
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IngmarBirdman 11/02/11 1:12:00 AM #45: |
Why can't the other people who get called betas (or have other flaws pointed out) realize them and try to improve in the same way?
Maybe you don't believe being a beta is a flaw. Beta behavior isn't a flaw, unless your only metric is female seduction. It sounds bad when Roissy advocates against it for short-term mating, but read back and you'll notice his outlook is more favorable. There's more than a handful of posts where he tips his hat to their contributions to society outside the dating market and calls out women who shun betas while simultaneously taking for granted the luxury of the technology they create. -- "Getting lucky 100% of the time... it's called PRO SKILL." -BlAcK TuRtLe ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voltch 11/02/11 2:39:00 AM #46: |
Realo your dancing skills are so good you would get minus 200 points on dancing with the stars.
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SmartMuffin 11/02/11 6:49:00 AM #47: |
Yeah Ulti takes constructive criticism pretty well I think
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Mr Lasastryke 11/02/11 7:07:00 AM #48: |
The circumstances in which the criticism is given are important here.
If I were to ask realo how I could improve myself and he'd tell me to stop being a beta male, it'd be pretty stupid if I'd go "get lost you're wrong." I know who realo is and I'm asking him for advice, so yeah. However, when realo starts telling me how I'm a flawed beta male and need to improve myself without me ever asking for his "constructive criticism," then yeah, I think it's alright for me to dismiss his opinions. -- Full rap metal jacket ~ Method Man ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 11/02/11 8:49:00 AM #49: |
From: UltimaterializerX | #042 No, you didn't. You may think you did, but you didn't. Mostly because presentation and attitude actually matters when it comes to constructive criticism. I know a lot of people don't like the coddled self-esteem stuff (and I don't either), but then I think that's made some people swing to the opposite end of the spectrum where they basically rip somebody's face off and treat them like garbage, and then call it constructive criticism. That's not much better. -- http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/8/22/2094c2de-bae8-4f5b-9f27-67eaff0aaeaf.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CrimsonOcean 11/02/11 9:48:00 AM #50: |
In school we would get reviewed on our projects/work all the time, both formally and informally. There is definitely a line between being a jackass and offering constructive criticism.
If someone says: "I don't get what you're doing here. Maybe you could do this or that to make it more clear." That's constructive. If someone says: "I don't get what you're doing here. The whole idea is pointless and nothing you did makes it clear." End conversation. That's being a jackass. Giving blunt criticism doesn't mean being rude. Also, someone's opinion isn't the same thing as criticism. However, that's not to say there aren't just rude people out there that like to be demeaning just for the sake of it. That's my opinion anyway. And for the record I'm totally against the current coddling attitude people seem to have. -- http://img.imgcake.com/crimjpgpe.jpg Mo' buildings mo' problems ocean kinda grew on me like a flesh eating ...fungus. -BIGPUN9999 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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