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EmDubyaSee
12/09/11 9:41:00 AM
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Day 1: Kurt Angle. Summer Slam 2001 vs Stone Cold. (Honorable Mention to Wrestlemania 21 against Shawn Michaels [probably not the last time his name is put in]
Day 2: Stone Cold Steve Austin. Wrestlemania 13 vs Bret Hart (Honorable Mention to Wrestlemania XIX against the Rock)
Day 3: Bret The Hitman Hart. Suriveror Series 1995 against Diesel. (Honorable Mention to Wrestlemania XII Ironman against Shawn Michaels)
Day 4: Diesel/Kevin Nash. Royal Rumble 1994. (Honorable Mention to Beating Backlund in 5 seconds for the Title at a House Show)
Day 5: The Heart Break Kid Shawn Michaels. Wrestlemania XII Ironman Match vs Bret Hart. (Honorable Mention to the 1995 Royal Rumble)
Day 6: The Rock. Wrestlemania X-SEVEN against Stone Cold Steve Austin. (Honorable mention to Backlash 2000 against Triple H)
Day 7: Triple H. No Way out 2000 against Cactus Jack Hell in a Cell Retirement vs WWF Championship. (Honorable Mention to No Way Out 2001 3 Stages of Hell vs Austin)
Day 8: Mick Foley: Royal Rumble 1999 against the Rock I Quit Match. (Honorable Mention to Royal Rumble 2000 against Triple H in a Street Fight)
Day 9: The Undertaker. Wrestlemania XXVI Streak vs Career vs Shawn Michaels (Honorable Mention to Wrestlemania XXVII against Triple H in a no holds barred match)
Day 10: The Big Show/The Giant. Halloween Havoc 95 against Hogan after being thrown off a building. (Honorable Mention to Royal Rumble 2004)
Day 11: Hollywood Hulk Hogan. Vader SuperBrawl V. (Honorable Mention to Summerslam 2005 Shawn Michaels)
Day 12: Vader. December 27th 1987 against Antonio Inoki (Honorable Mention to taking off Foley's Ear)
Day 13: Kane. Wrestlemania XIV against The Unertaker. (Honorable Mention to 2010 Hell in a Cell against The Undertaker)
Day 14: Chris Jericho: Raw Steel Cage Match against Batista for the WHC. (Honorable Mention to Fully Loaded 2000 against Triple H)
Day 15: Batista. 2005 Vengeance Hell in a Cell against Triple H. (Honorable mention to Summerslam 2008 against John Cena)
Day 16: John Cena. 2011 Over the Limit I Quit Match vs The Miz. (Honorable mention to beating Carlito Cool hours after being stabbed by Jesus)
Day 17: The Miz. Wrestlemania XXVII against John Cena (Honorable Mention to Money in the Bank 2010 Raw Ladder match).
Day 18: Randy Orton. Wrestlemania XXIV against John Cena and Triple H. (Honorable mention to SummerSlam 2004 against ________)

Yeah, this guy. Probably Wrestlemania XX, right, I mean, beating HHH and HBK clean?

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EmDubyaSee
12/09/11 9:49:00 AM
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From: UltimaterializerX | #002
Ah, Benoit.

That match against Angle where it took like 3 ankle locks to beat him.




I'm guessing that is Royal Rumble 2003, one of the best matches ever.

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JaKyL25
12/09/11 10:39:00 AM
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It's between WM XX and the 2004 Royal Rumble match.

Honorable mention to the May 2001 match on SmackDown vs. Austin. 10 Germans!

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XIII_rocks
12/09/11 11:08:00 AM
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2004 rr

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sonten1
12/09/11 11:37:00 AM
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The 2004 Rumble.

You have to be pretty damn strong to go all the way from #1 and still eliminate The Big Show by yourself.

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Emporer_Kazbar
12/09/11 11:45:00 AM
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04 RR

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EmDubyaSee
12/09/11 8:48:00 PM
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bump

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greatone10
12/09/11 8:49:00 PM
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Royal Rumble 2004

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Tom Bombadil
12/09/11 9:10:00 PM
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was honestly unsure whether to expect Benoit or Cena

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ScareChan
12/09/11 9:27:00 PM
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Mania against HHH and HBK

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14_and_counting
12/09/11 9:29:00 PM
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From: Tom Bombadil | #010
was honestly unsure whether to expect Benoit or Cena




They are the same caliber of human.

People know my all time "worseless human" Wrestler rankings.



1 Hogan
2 ___________
3 John Cena



Cena is not far away from passing __________. If he buries the Rock at Mania, when he is not 1/10 of anything Rocky ever was, I think he will have caught him.

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Tom Bombadil
12/09/11 9:30:00 PM
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where would fans of sports teams you dislike fit into this ranking

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14_and_counting
12/09/11 9:39:00 PM
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From: Tom Bombadil | #013
where would fans of sports teams you dislike fit into this ranking




This is just ranking Wrestlers.


On the list of people I hate, it is hard to even put Boston, Nawlins, Chapel Hill, and Durham on the list, because I have a hard time of thinking anyone on Earth (past or present) that I hate more than them. Hulk Hogan and Jeff Gerstman are both top 5, probably with the city of Boston, Sam Gilbert, and Stalin (in some order). Next is Nawlins, John Wooden, Bin Laden, Chapel Hill, and Jerry Tipton (again, in some order).

Hard to really figure them after that. ____________ is probably in the next line with Durham, Jerry Tipton, Big Ben, Solid **** fans, and a few others.

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14_and_counting
12/10/11 5:18:00 AM
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bump

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TVontheRadio
12/10/11 9:55:00 AM
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*checks RR 2004 entrants*

only entrants who had kayfabe legit shots at winning were... Kurt Angle, Big Show, Goldberg, and Chris Jericho

yeah, i'm giving it to WMXX going over HBK AND HHH clean through making REIGN OF DOOM HHH tap out

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JaKyL25
12/10/11 9:59:00 AM
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In kayfabe, ANYONE can win a Royal Rumble! <_<

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SythaWarrior
12/10/11 10:14:00 AM
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He looked Strongest at WMXX.

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eon123
12/10/11 10:57:00 AM
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Day 16: John Cena. 2011 Over the Limit I Quit Match vs The Miz.

What in the bluest of blue hells? How did this one get anywhere near close to winning? He's had a million matches where the odds were stacked way higher in kayfabe. Miz & Riley are creampuffs compared to most of the guys he's had to run through o.O

Maybe I'm just not understanding the criteria?

Anyway, definitely the WMXX match.

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JaKyL25
12/10/11 10:59:00 AM
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No one could come up with any other match where Cena took more flat-out damage.

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XIII_rocks
12/10/11 11:01:00 AM
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It was a 15-minute 2-on-1 no disqualification assault. Not sure how many more of those Cena has had to deal with. And Miz/Riley aren't great or anything, but put weapons in their hands...yeah, that seemed a pretty fair pick to me.

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junk_funk
12/10/11 11:09:00 AM
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This topic made me think about the whole 1 hour tribute to Benoit the RAW did right after his death before the the police reports came out.

That was a crazy episode. I liked it but the next day I was like...oh.

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JaKyL25
12/10/11 11:13:00 AM
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It wasn't really before the police reports came out. All that stuff was leaking online DURING the episode.

Very surreal.

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eon123
12/10/11 12:04:00 PM
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It was a 15-minute 2-on-1 no disqualification assault. Not sure how many more of those Cena has had to deal with. And Miz/Riley aren't great or anything, but put weapons in their hands...yeah, that seemed a pretty fair pick to me.

I mean, off the top of my head...

NYR 2006 - Elimination Chamber (and subsequent MitB cash-in by Edge)
Unforgiven 2006 - Cena vs Edge (TLC, with Edge being backed by the Toronto crowd, if memory serves)
RR 2007 - Cena vs Umaga (Last Man Standing)
Bragging Rights 2009 - Cena vs Orton (60 Minute No-DQ Ironman)
Survivor Series 2009 - Cena vs HHH vs HBK
To a lesser extent, those matches early in Cena's very first reign when Eric Bischoff and Daivari (I think?) were special refs on behalf of Jericho and Kurt Angle.
WM22 and 23 against HHH and HBK respectively. Didn't he make both of them tap too?

Probably some others that I myself am forgetting.

I dunno, it's not a big deal. I just can't see the credibility in the Miz/Riley duo, thinking about it in kayfabe. Riley was the definition of a jobber lackey at the time (he lost practically every single match he was in), and Miz's prior title reign was centered around the fact that he was a joke champion that definitely couldn't hang with the upper tier of wrestlers (I mean, he could barely deal with Jerry Lawler, needing constant interference from Riley and even Michael Cole to defend his title). Even 2 vs 1, I didn't buy for a second that Miz had an iota of a chance in an I Quit match with Cena.

I guess I'll just chalk it up to difference in opinion, or perhaps it being more recent in people's memories. Oh well XD

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JaKyL25
12/10/11 12:06:00 PM
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If Cena has ever gone open-to-close in a Chamber I definitely would have picked that.

He's had pretty good luck of the draw in those though.

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XIII_rocks
12/10/11 12:14:00 PM
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You've got a point with all of those, I'm just saying in terms of being absolutely destroyed for 15 minutes it's right up there. If it was a 2-on-1 handicap match it would be usual, but weapons elevate even someone like Riley into a decent threat, you know?

I mean Orton in Iron Man is a longer length of time but that's one man (mostly), and Cena pinned/submitted Orton 5 times in that period of time, so.

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eon123
12/10/11 12:29:00 PM
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You've got a point with all of those, I'm just saying in terms of being absolutely destroyed for 15 minutes it's right up there. If it was a 2-on-1 handicap match it would be usual, but weapons elevate even someone like Riley into a decent threat, you know?

I mean Orton in Iron Man is a longer length of time but that's one man (mostly), and Cena pinned/submitted Orton 5 times in that period of time, so.


Maybe the problem then is that I'm lacking clarity on what way the TC is defining 'strongest kayfabe match' in these topics. I assumed it to mean "match where the odds were stacked the highest against them." As in, I would have to believe in kayfabe that Cena was being given a run for his money.

In answer the Miz/Riley thing, I guess if we're thinking about a numbers-game type scenario, I'd almost want to throw out that Cena vs Nexus handicap match that happened on Raw. Speaking in kayfabe, he had zero chance of winning that. Granted, they were all considered rookies and it didn't have a No DQ stip, but that's too much for any one person to handle, especially after how absolutely destructive the Nexus looked after their initial invasion of Raw.

But if the criteria is "match where the person endured the most pain," then I concede a case for Miz/Riley might be plausible. The topic name just doesn't seem to reflect that direction, IMO.


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@JaKyL25 - I'm about 80% sure Cena was one of the first two entrants in that particular chamber match. I think he started it out against either HBK or Carlito, and he won that one.

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XIII_rocks
12/10/11 12:36:00 PM
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Well in terms of enduring the most pain but still being able to get up, AA a 250lb man through a table and then chase Miz up the ramp, STF him and force him to quit...yeah. The "classic Cena" sudden no-sell out of nowhere is usual but that was just a totally extreme case of that.

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sonten1
12/10/11 12:38:00 PM
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HBK and Cena started the NYR 2006 Chamber match.

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JaKyL25
12/10/11 12:43:00 PM
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Wow you're right, I totally remembered that wrong. For some reason I had it in my head that he was later.

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JaKyL25
12/10/11 12:45:00 PM
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From: eon123 | #027
But if the criteria is "match where the person endured the most pain," then I concede a case for Miz/Riley might be plausible. The topic name just doesn't seem to reflect that direction, IMO.


The best way I can describe what MWC is going for here is to basically pretend this is DBZ and you're tasked to find the episode in which the wrestler's power level was demonstrably its highest.

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14_and_counting
12/10/11 4:40:00 PM
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From: JaKyL25 | #031
The best way I can describe what MWC is going for here is to basically pretend this is DBZ and you're tasked to find the episode in which the wrestler's power level was demonstrably its highest.




Yes, that is the best way to look at it. Their absolute peak, in Kayfabe terms.

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JaKyL25
12/10/11 4:49:00 PM
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I wonder what kayfabe Cena's DBZ power level would be?

I would take him over Pilaf Saga-era Yamcha.

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14_and_counting
12/11/11 8:36:00 AM
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Final BUmp

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