Board 8 > So the Metal Gear Rising trailer got leaked

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Metal Gear Bayonetta brings up far more positive feelings.

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yuck.

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So Metal Gear Rising is basically everything I've ever wanted and more.

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initially: not interested in this ever.
platinum games making it -> I WILL BUY THIS.

platinum games, 2nd best dev studio behind atlus.

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From: ZFS | #084
Actually, the original idea was that Raiden would use stealth, at least when it was being developed by Kojima Productions. Where they wanted it to be different was that Raiden would be far more agile and faster than Snake, so you would use offensive stealth instead of the more defensive style of usual Metal Gear games. Where the guards used to be the hunters, they would be the prey -- I think that was an example they actually used. It sounded great, but I guess it ran into development hell, so they turned to Platinum Games and dropped the stealth aspect. But, hey, over the top action and gore woo.

....Dammit, that does sound way better. Now I'm a bit disappointed as well. Still, I figured from the beginning it wouldn't be anything that deep. Honestly I wasn't expecting this, but Metal Gear Solid infused with Devil May Cry sounds pretty awesome. Hopefully it will be.

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WHAT THE F***.

Were you guys aware that this game is no longer taking place in between MGS2 and 4, but instead several years after MGS4?

http://www.konami.jp/mgr/en_us/index.html

Bottom of the page, it says once Platinum Games came aboard it was changed to give them more room to work with or whatever. I am unhappy about this.

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Why the hell would you want it between MGS2 and 4?

It'd just mean any instance of it being weird or outrageous would be completely out of place, and all actions ultimately so unimportant that they're left completely unmentioned in 4, which means either a ton of boring and unsurprising filler or just plain bad writing. Not to mention you have to default back to Raiden as seen in MGS4 by the end, and work from Raiden as seen in MGS2. That's a stiflingly bad range to have to cover.

Taking place after 4 means anything could happen. No clue what's going to occur after this. I'm way more interested now.

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It was originally supposed to explain what the heck happened to Raiden between MGS2 and MGS4.

Which is something I would've wanted.

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Me too. That was a story I wanted told since playing MGS4. And I thought I was actually gonna get it.

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Get ready for Cyborg Old Snake final boss

"War has changed"

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It fits better being post-MGS4, because there is absolutely nowhere left for the series to go from there, so you might as well go totally ridiculous "cyborgs have taken over the world and it is up to the one good-guy-turned-psychopath cyborg to save the world" or whatever Rising's story is supposed to be. It's all downhill from here! When things like this happen, it's usually time to contemplate starting over from scratch. Does anyone still want to see a MGS5 continuing the existing plotline?

I do think working it between MGS2-MGS4 made sense, though, because there's that gap that exists where Raiden goes from normal person to almost entirely mechanical, and seeing that transformation occur in-game would have been interesting. He was also supposed to be the one who found Sunny, so it would tie nicely into MGS4's story. All of the original concepts and ideas were great, in my opinion, and that was what made Rising exciting. Everything since has been a pretty big downgrade for me.

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Raiden was also supposed to be the one who found Big Boss's body, right?

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^Yeah.

Raiden made a huge transformation and did a lot of stuff in between MGS2 and MGS4. I was really hoping for that story.

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...uh, honestly it makes sense just due to the consoles really. mgs4 was ps3 only and looks like it'll stay that way (though strangely, no upgraded version exists yet). easy to basically start from scratch with a good spot, and post mgs4 is a fitting one.

sounds uphill to me! platinum games working on anything is always a step up.

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Yep. He was busy between MGS2 and MGS4. Probably did more than Snake!

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Didn't care too much about Rising before, but Platinum Games being behind this makes it possibly game of the ever material.
The Ray scene made me gape in awe(someness) in a way I haven't since I watched TTGL. Can't wait to see more of this.

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Here's some information about the development team:

Executive Producer: Hideo Kojima (Kojima Productions)
Creative Producer: Yuji Korekado (Kojima Productions)
Character Concept Artist: Yoji Shinkawa (Kojima Productions)
Lead Writer: Etsu Tamari (Kojima Productions)
Cutscene Director: Hideki Sasaki (Kojima Productions)

Producer: Atsushi Inaba (Platinum Games)
Lead Programmer: Tetsura Noda (PG
Lead Artist: Takahito Washisaka (PG)
Lead Cutscene Artist: Kunihiko Tsuda (PG)

http://www.konami.jp/mgr/

Q&As (Based on interview with Yuji Korekado, Creative Producer for Rising and Zone of the Enders HD. The podcast is available on official KP site: http://www.kjp.konami.jp/gs/hideoblog_e/2011/12/000251.html#more

Q: How did Platinum get involved with the game?

We made many different prototypes but could not finalize the design. Hideo Kojima game his feedback and told us the development was not progressing well. After that he told us Platinum Games will be coming to develop the game.

We showed them what we had at this point and they said the same thing as Kojima said: "The game wasn't complete". They agreed to develop and finalize the game.

Here at Kojima Productions we do stealth like its nobody else's business. We have the best stealth games, whereas PG is on the opposite end of the spectrum. It felt like a really good combination.

Q: What has changed in Rising?

In previous Rising, we had two concepts. Action and Stealth, but we could not combine them in an effective way. The new Rising has a very simple concept: "Cutting things feels good".

I remember the old ways when we tried to combine stealth and action, it was really hard to combine those elements.

Q: How is the work divided between the two game studios?

Platinum Games is in charge of the whole game design. Kojima Productions is in charge of the story and the cutscenes.

We felt a really good synergy during this project. PG's games aren't just speedy, they are very fast developers themselves. The entire PG team has incredible amount of energy.

Q: Where is the story set in Rising?

We wanted development to have more freedom, so the story is now set after MGS4. Some people got emotionally attached to the previous story, but this felt like a good choice.

The game design comes first. The story fits the game design.

Q: What is seen in the trailer?

The main meaning of the VGA trailer is to show what has changed in Rising. We have to show not only what Kojima Productions has put in it, but also what ideas and design Platinum has added.

We have cutscenes from Kojima Productions and gameplay scenes from Platinum.

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Q: What happened to "Cut and Take" or "Zandatsu"?

Earlier we talked Zandatsu was supposed to be a main game concept in Rising. You can still do Zandatsu in new Rising, but it is not a main game concept.

The new main concept is cutting and how good it feels to cut. We wanted to emphasize it more.

Before you had to cut the enemy, aim for his weapon, zandatsu his weapon and go back to cutting. This hindered the cutting gameplay.

You don't have to Zandatsu, but you can do it.

Q: Who is directing the game?

I am unable to say who will be directing Rising, but it is not Hideki Kamiya.

Q: Why release in English first?

We started English voice overs ahead of Japanese. We are aiming the game for western audience. We want the western gamers to be happy and this is very important for us.

We want to make it clear that we are not copying games made in West. First of all, we make what we want to make. As we make it, we ask ourselves what we can do to make it more suited for western audience.

This is still a Japanese made game.

Q: Any final words for fans?

This game has a Metal Gear title. It is a Metal Gear game, but it is a completely different Metal Gear experience.

We are still right in the middle of development, please wait until we complete it.

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From: ShadowHalo17 | #117
The new Rising has a very simple concept: "Cutting things feels good".

Hahahahahahaha

I have no idea what else to even say about that.

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From: ShadowHalo17 | #117
The game design comes first. The story fits the game design.

yay good game developers

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So the 'angling your sword and cut through anything' that was seen in the first trailer is still there or not? Because this trailer makes it look like it's been relegated to freakin' cinematic finishers.

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Still looks like it's there, but with less focus.

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We wanted development to have more freedom, so the story is now set after MGS4.

I will now refuse to accept this as canon

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The new main concept is cutting and how good it feels to cut.

emo: the game

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will be great. Platinum games have made better games than Konami this gen. Fact.

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I'm not too invested in the MGS-verse, but setting it between 2 and 4 and having Raiden slowly turn from human to cyborg seems like an appealing thing. it could be like Batman in Arkham Asylum where he starts out as a normal dude and slowly just changes into a dude that looks messed the hell up.

the blood and stuff in the trailer looks pretty damn stupid, but then there's about five seconds of combat where it looks like it could be legitimately cool.

-- there's a Batman-esque flow to the combat here that could be cool if it doesn't turn into cut cut cut cut. it probably will turn into some over the top ridiculousness because it's Platinum, but there's some potential here to have a cool flow and decent narrative. not counting on it though.

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The_Djoker posted...
will be great. Platinum games have made better games than Konami this gen. Fact.

Kojima Productions is the name of the MGS developer, and also **** you.

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If this helps raise PG's profile i'm totally all for it.

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What the hell? The game takes place AFTER MGS4? I thought this was between MGS2 and MGS4. How are they going to explain Raiden being cyborg ninja again?

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This game taking place after MGS4 is an absolute atrocity.

I can't believe this. I don't even want to go into all of the reasons that this is an atrocity. Oh my God.

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Uh, it's not really that hard. It takes place years after MGS4. It doesn't take a whole lot to piece together that Cyborg Ninja Raiden might want to put his Cyborg Ninja gear on before getting into fights for whatever reason.

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I hope Rose is dead.

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The Metal Gear timeline should absolute end in 2014. Raiden said that he would find his own reasons to fight after MGS2, and then he ended up like he was in MGS4. After MGS4, he was going to step out of the warzone. Not to mention that the world shouldn't be Metal Gear-infested, PMC-infested, and warzone-infested after the events of MGS4. Ugh. And, now, we're all cyborgs? Come the hell on. God ****ing damnit.

The series ended so PERFECTLY. WHY. Put this game in between 2 and 4. I don't even care if you make it Metal Gear May Cry, just at least make the story work in between 1964 and 2014. Please...

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ShadowHalo17 posted...
I hope Rose is dead.

The only way this works at all is if Rose is dead, Raiden's son is dead / kidnapped / some variation, and the world has gone to **** again because of God knows why, and Raiden decides to get suited up again.

... Which still craps all over MGS4 because it undoes the entire ending. This is like Terminator 3 undoing the entire purpose and message of Terminator 2. The movie by itself might be decent, but it take a big ol' **** on the movie that preceded it.

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I'm gonna go cry in the corner =(

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Surprised people are so upset about this!

Platinum Games being on board assures that it's going to be a great game. Who really cares what it means for the MGS universe? It's a spinoff afterall. It's all about having fun!

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PLEASE MAKE THIS SERIES MORE CLUTTERED AND CONVOLUTED FOR NO REASON

You know, instead of continuing from the unknown where an entire war economy is twisted on it's head to start anew. What we want is you doing the same stuff over and over again towards the same exact endpoint we already know.

It's just stepping outside of the bubble MGS4 creates for that MGS series. It's not MGS. It's Metal Gear Rising. It's something different that isn't pointless filler about how actually, every character in the MGS series stopped a world-ending plot in a conflict that was never mentioned in any game later on in the timeline for no reason.

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SHINE GET 64 posted...
Surprised people are so upset about this!

Platinum Games being on board assures that it's going to be a great game. Who really cares what it means for the MGS universe? It's a spinoff afterall. It's all about having fun!

This guy.

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From: futuresuperstar | #135
I'm gonna go cry in the corner =(

This girl.

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i now want this to be as over the top as possible.

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I find it hard to believe anyone can take the MGS fiction seriously after 4. 2 was pushing it, but 4 pretty much sealed the deal. cool universe but it's completely messed up.

besides, the MGS universe is all pretty much done for after 4. you might as well stick it there because you can't really mess it up when everyone is pretty much done for.

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foolm0ron posted...
From: futuresuperstar | #135
I'm gonna go cry in the corner =(
This girl.

Girls aren't capable of the womanly behemoth tears I am sweating from my face at the moment.

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I see no problem with someone enjoying MGS's fiction, and not being thrilled at the silliness in the Rising trailer. MGS has always been crazy, but that stuff is just bad. Like mentioned, the gameplay might be alright in a Bayonetta 2 sense, but the narrative will probably be even worse than MGS4. Quite a feat!

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If you think this is so out of place, you're basically cherrypicking the entire series in the first place and ignoring all the stuff that was already screwy.

Like even with this same character, MGS4 Raiden breakdance fought enemies using gekkos that tethered his legs as flails and stopped the Outer Haven Arsenal Gear with one hand and SURVIVED IT. Despite everything in the scene acting as if he should have died from it.

And Peacewalker had Big Boss standing against the US, the Patriots, absolutely everyone on a global sense leading a huge military group in which he was outstandingly well known before MG1. And in possession of a nuclear-equipped railgun-mounted metal gear. And capable of benchpressing and throwing every hundred+ ton mech he fights (despite it being the cold war period) during quick time events in the boss battles.

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What about Meryl marrying a guy that suffers from chronic diarrhea, is that canon?

Seriously after MGS4, who gives a f*** about the MGS story? Its f***ing awful

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I thought I saw Vamp in the trailer, how does that work...

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TheKoolAidShoto posted...
What about Meryl marrying a guy that suffers from chronic diarrhea, is that canon?

Seriously after MGS4, who gives a f*** about the MGS story? Its f***ing awful

Well, you're entitled to your taste in things, for me and of course others not like you, MGS4 has terrific story, the culmination of the entire saga. This game being set shortly in the future, undoing Snake's sacrifice and Raiden's family life etc, well that's a bad thing.

Also, Johnny is the man.

Gradieus posted...
I thought I saw Vamp in the trailer, how does that work...

I also noticed how Vampy that guy is, goes to show ya the lack of character and originality on display in this game so far.

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Aw crap.

MGS4 ended everything perfectly. It gave closure to every character except like Nastasha. Why add more to the series after that? An interquel was perfect...

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Oh good this topic is still alive, so I don't have to make a new one for this.



I haven't watched it yet, but there ya go. Apparently Rising is canon (I figured it would be anyway, but there were tons of people who thought it wouldn't be).

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