Board 8 > The Morality of Pirating a no longer produced game

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viruscarrierxxx 12/15/11 4:24:00 PM #1:	Is it okay to download a game that is no longer produced in stores or sold online? -- Those who would give up Liberty to purchase Safety, deserve neither. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e261/aulliax/kitten1.jpg <cite>viruscarrierxxx posted [p:558419] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> Is it okay to download a game that is no longer produced in stores or sold online? -- Those who would give up Liberty to purchase Safety, deserve neither. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e261/aulliax/kitten1.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SovietOmega 12/15/11 4:28:00 PM #2:	legally? no morally? debatable (yes) -- There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out <cite>SovietOmega posted [p:558420] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> legally? nomorally? debatable (yes) -- There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JJH777 12/15/11 4:29:00 PM #3:	There is pretty much no game that isn't sold somewhere online. -- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis <cite>JJH777 posted [p:558421] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> There is pretty much no game that isn't sold somewhere online. -- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlymDayspring 12/15/11 4:30:00 PM #4:	There is pretty much no game that isn't sold somewhere online. that isn't true at all. there are tons of old games that nobody sells anymore. you could buy them from other people on ebay or something, but that isn't stealing any profits from the creators anyway. -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png <cite>SlymDayspring posted [p:558422] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> There is pretty much no game that isn't sold somewhere online.that isn't true at all. there are tons of old games that nobody sells anymore. you could buy them from other people on ebay or something, but that isn't stealing any profits from the creators anyway. -- I'm "kind of a big deal".http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viruscarrierxxx 12/15/11 4:31:00 PM #5:	Well, System Shock 2 isn't sold new in stores or online from what I've found. Don't even mention used cause that's as bad as pirating as well. -- Those who would give up Liberty to purchase Safety, deserve neither. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e261/aulliax/kitten1.jpg <cite>viruscarrierxxx posted [p:558423] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> Well, System Shock 2 isn't sold new in stores or online from what I've found.Don't even mention used cause that's as bad as pirating as well. -- Those who would give up Liberty to purchase Safety, deserve neither. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e261/aulliax/kitten1.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 12/15/11 4:33:00 PM #6:	it took me a second to realize this wasn't The Morality of Pirating: a no-longer-produced game -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:558424] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> it took me a second to realize this wasn't The Morality of Pirating: a no-longer-produced game -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer 12/15/11 4:34:00 PM #7:	From: Leebo86 \| #007 it took me a second to realize this wasn't The Morality of Pirating: a no-longer-produced game -- http://i.imgur.com/vLGO5.png Mer <cite>Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer posted [p:558425] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> From: Leebo86 \| #007it took me a second to realize this wasn't The Morality of Pirating: a no-longer-produced game -- http://i.imgur.com/vLGO5.pngMer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/15/11 4:34:00 PM #8:	I would say there's nothing morally wrong with it, but the sticky situation comes about when the game eventually gets sold again on a Virtual Console or GoG-style service. For example, someone pirating Bonk's Adventure in 2005 would be fine morally, but today it IS available for purchase, so I feel like to completely absolve yourself 100% morally you should probably buy it on VC if you previously pirated it when it was unavailable. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:558426] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> I would say there's nothing morally wrong with it, but the sticky situation comes about when the game eventually gets sold again on a Virtual Console or GoG-style service.For example, someone pirating Bonk's Adventure in 2005 would be fine morally, but today it IS available for purchase, so I feel like to completely absolve yourself 100% morally you should probably buy it on VC if you previously pirated it when it was unavailable. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JJH777 12/15/11 4:35:00 PM #9:	Lol buying used is as bad as pirating? That's amusing. Looking around I will admit that if I wanted to play that specifically I would just pirate that though. The used prices are ridiculous and it apparently isn't in any digital download store. -- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis <cite>JJH777 posted [p:558427] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> Lol buying used is as bad as pirating? That's amusing.Looking around I will admit that if I wanted to play that specifically I would just pirate that though. The used prices are ridiculous and it apparently isn't in any digital download store. -- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iamdead7 12/15/11 4:35:00 PM #10:	From: Leebo86 \| #007 it took me a second to realize this wasn't The Morality of Pirating: a no-longer-produced game -- The box says "Online Gameplay not rated by ESRB", I should be able to trade my phallic named Wobbufetts to a bunch of 8 year olds. - MarvelousGerbil <cite>Iamdead7 posted [p:558428] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> From: Leebo86 \| #007it took me a second to realize this wasn't The Morality of Pirating: a no-longer-produced game -- The box says "Online Gameplay not rated by ESRB", I should be able to trade my phallic named Wobbufetts to a bunch of 8 year olds. - MarvelousGerbil </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SovietOmega 12/15/11 4:35:00 PM #11:	*Leebo86 posted...* it took me a second to realize this wasn't The Morality of Pirating: a no-longer-produced game this should totally be a game, produced once, put on torrents, and watch and see how prolific it gets. an experiment on the namesake of the game... -- There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out <cite>SovietOmega posted [p:558429] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> Leebo86 posted...it took me a second to realize this wasn't The Morality of Pirating: a no-longer-produced gamethis should totally be a game, produced once, put on torrents, and watch and see how prolific it gets. an experiment on the namesake of the game... -- There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viruscarrierxxx 12/15/11 4:37:00 PM #12:	*JJH777 posted...* Lol buying used is as bad as pirating? That's amusing. Both involve not giving the developer money for their hard work while enjoying the product they produce. Heck, used games reward this act so its actually worse than straight up pirating. Also, damn, I've been using unnecessary caps a lot lately in titles. -- Those who would give up Liberty to purchase Safety, deserve neither. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e261/aulliax/kitten1.jpg <cite>viruscarrierxxx posted [p:558430] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> JJH777 posted...Lol buying used is as bad as pirating? That's amusing.Both involve not giving the developer money for their hard work while enjoying the product they produce. Heck, used games reward this act so its actually worse than straight up pirating.Also, damn, I've been using unnecessary caps a lot lately in titles. -- Those who would give up Liberty to purchase Safety, deserve neither. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e261/aulliax/kitten1.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zachnorn 12/15/11 4:37:00 PM #13:	Lol buying used is as bad as pirating? That's amusing. That's the logic of game distributors these days. Logic: A pirated game is a lost sale of a new game, and therefore, a loss of revenue. Used games generate no sales, and also no revenue. Therefore, a used game is just as bad as a pirated game. -- Everything is overrated. - <D http://board8.wikia.com - Board 8 Wiki \| http://www.stickam.com/profile/zachnorn - Board 8 Stickam <cite>Zachnorn posted [p:558431] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> Lol buying used is as bad as pirating? That's amusing.That's the logic of game distributors these days.Logic: A pirated game is a lost sale of a new game, and therefore, a loss of revenue. Used games generate no sales, and also no revenue. Therefore, a used game is just as bad as a pirated game. -- Everything is overrated. - <Dhttp://board8.wikia.com - Board 8 Wiki \| http://www.stickam.com/profile/zachnorn - Board 8 Stickam </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JJH777 12/15/11 4:39:00 PM #14:	From: viruscarrierxxx \| #012 *JJH777 posted...* Lol buying used is as bad as pirating? That's amusing. Both involve not giving the developer money for their hard work while enjoying the product they produce. Heck, used games reward this act so its actually worse than straight up pirating. Also, damn, I've been using unnecessary caps a lot lately in titles. The difference is at some point the specific disc you have did get paid for. -- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis <cite>JJH777 posted [p:558432] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> From: viruscarrierxxx \| #012JJH777 posted...Lol buying used is as bad as pirating? That's amusing.Both involve not giving the developer money for their hard work while enjoying the product they produce. Heck, used games reward this act so its actually worse than straight up pirating.Also, damn, I've been using unnecessary caps a lot lately in titles.The difference is at some point the specific disc you have did get paid for. -- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viruscarrierxxx 12/15/11 4:40:00 PM #15:	*JJH777 posted...* The difference is at some point the specific disc you have did get paid for. You say that as if the pirates magically summon the game information out of their butts. -- Those who would give up Liberty to purchase Safety, deserve neither. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e261/aulliax/kitten1.jpg <cite>viruscarrierxxx posted [p:558433] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> JJH777 posted...The difference is at some point the specific disc you have did get paid for.You say that as if the pirates magically summon the game information out of their butts. -- Those who would give up Liberty to purchase Safety, deserve neither. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e261/aulliax/kitten1.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 12/15/11 4:40:00 PM #16:	From: Leebo86 \| #007 it took me a second to realize this wasn't The Morality of Pirating: a no-longer-produced game -- http://i48.tinypic.com/1045474.gif <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:558434] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> From: Leebo86 \| #007it took me a second to realize this wasn't The Morality of Pirating: a no-longer-produced game -- http://i48.tinypic.com/1045474.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JJH777 12/15/11 4:41:00 PM #17:	From: viruscarrierxxx \| #015 *JJH777 posted...* The difference is at some point the specific disc you have did get paid for. You say that as if the pirates magically summon the game information out of their butts. Copy of a disc =/= the same disc. -- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis <cite>JJH777 posted [p:558435] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> From: viruscarrierxxx \| #015JJH777 posted...The difference is at some point the specific disc you have did get paid for.You say that as if the pirates magically summon the game information out of their butts.Copy of a disc =/= the same disc. -- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 12/15/11 4:43:00 PM #18:	*JJH777 posted...* From: viruscarrierxxx \| #015 JJH777 posted... The difference is at some point the specific disc you have did get paid for. You say that as if the pirates magically summon the game information out of their butts. Copy of a disc =/= the same disc. This distinction is meaningless to a developer unless the game is still being sold new, which is not what this topic is about. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch <cite>redrocket posted [p:558436] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> JJH777 posted...From: viruscarrierxxx \| #015JJH777 posted...The difference is at some point the specific disc you have did get paid for.You say that as if the pirates magically summon the game information out of their butts.Copy of a disc =/= the same disc.This distinction is meaningless to a developer unless the game is still being sold new, which is not what this topic is about. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cloud and Squall 12/15/11 4:43:00 PM #19:	There's a lot of differences between buying used and pirating. For one thing, a copy spreads a lot less far. Only one person can physically own the copy at a time. For another thing, the distributor is making a profit. And the person who bought the previous game is probably getting money to put toward another new game. To suggest that buying used is as bad as pirating is stupid. -- See You In Another Life, Brother. <cite>Cloud and Squall posted [p:558437] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> There's a lot of differences between buying used and pirating. For one thing, a copy spreads a lot less far. Only one person can physically own the copy at a time. For another thing, the distributor is making a profit. And the person who bought the previous game is probably getting money to put toward another new game. To suggest that buying used is as bad as pirating is stupid. -- See You In Another Life, Brother. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FashnQueenEtna 12/15/11 4:45:00 PM #20:	From: Leebo86 \| #007 it took me a second to realize this wasn't The Morality of Pirating: a no-longer-produced game -- Chrono1219 <cite>FashnQueenEtna posted [p:558438] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> From: Leebo86 \| #007it took me a second to realize this wasn't The Morality of Pirating: a no-longer-produced game -- Chrono1219 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JJH777 12/15/11 4:45:00 PM #21:	From: redrocket \| #018 *JJH777 posted...* From: viruscarrierxxx \| #015 JJH777 posted... The difference is at some point the specific disc you have did get paid for. You say that as if the pirates magically summon the game information out of their butts. Copy of a disc =/= the same disc. This distinction is meaningless to a developer unless the game is still being sold new, which is not what this topic is about. Who cares about the developer? Do you think you should be allowed to sell used cars? The original company that made it won't be getting any of the money from the sale. -- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis <cite>JJH777 posted [p:558439] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> From: redrocket \| #018JJH777 posted...From: viruscarrierxxx \| #015JJH777 posted...The difference is at some point the specific disc you have did get paid for.You say that as if the pirates magically summon the game information out of their butts.Copy of a disc =/= the same disc.This distinction is meaningless to a developer unless the game is still being sold new, which is not what this topic is about.Who cares about the developer? Do you think you should be allowed to sell used cars? The original company that made it won't be getting any of the money from the sale. -- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zachnorn 12/15/11 4:49:00 PM #22:	I have a question. I bought a 2002 Ford Focus, used, earlier this year, from a private party. Did I do something immoral, since I basically gave Ford no money when I bought my car? -- Zachnorn - <D http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4503/qrcode857546.th.png http://steamcard.com/do/original/zachnorn.png <cite>Zachnorn posted [p:558440] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> I have a question. I bought a 2002 Ford Focus, used, earlier this year, from a private party. Did I do something immoral, since I basically gave Ford no money when I bought my car? -- Zachnorn - <D http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4503/qrcode857546.th.pnghttp://steamcard.com/do/original/zachnorn.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zachnorn 12/15/11 4:50:00 PM #23:	Damn it, I was coming up with a better example, said screw it, deleted it, and just posted that. Because of that excessive typing, I'm very late >_> -- Zachnorn - <D http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4503/qrcode857546.th.png http://steamcard.com/do/original/zachnorn.png <cite>Zachnorn posted [p:558441] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> Damn it, I was coming up with a better example, said screw it, deleted it, and just posted that. Because of that excessive typing, I'm very late >_> -- Zachnorn - <D http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4503/qrcode857546.th.pnghttp://steamcard.com/do/original/zachnorn.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarvelousGerbil 12/15/11 4:51:00 PM #24:	Let's say I wanted to play Warcraft 1 or Diablo 1, which is not sold by Blizzard, despite them offering digital downloads via their own site. Even though I COULD purchase it on ebay or whatever, I see nothing morally wrong with just pirating it. It's not like Blizzard profits if I buy their games used anyway. -- http://i.imgur.com/6XjQR.gif <cite>MarvelousGerbil posted [p:558442] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> Let's say I wanted to play Warcraft 1 or Diablo 1, which is not sold by Blizzard, despite them offering digital downloads via their own site. Even though I COULD purchase it on ebay or whatever, I see nothing morally wrong with just pirating it. It's not like Blizzard profits if I buy their games used anyway. -- http://i.imgur.com/6XjQR.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 12/15/11 4:51:00 PM #25:	*JJH777 posted...* From: redrocket \| #018 JJH777 posted... From: viruscarrierxxx \| #015 JJH777 posted... The difference is at some point the specific disc you have did get paid for. You say that as if the pirates magically summon the game information out of their butts. Copy of a disc =/= the same disc. This distinction is meaningless to a developer unless the game is still being sold new, which is not what this topic is about. Who cares about the developer? Do you think you should be allowed to sell used cars? The original company that made it won't be getting any of the money from the sale. Literally posting the "would you download a car?" argument. Only this time it is more like, "Would you download a car that was no longer being manufactured or sold by manufacturer owned dealers?" I would say yes. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch <cite>redrocket posted [p:558443] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> JJH777 posted...From: redrocket \| #018JJH777 posted...From: viruscarrierxxx \| #015JJH777 posted...The difference is at some point the specific disc you have did get paid for.You say that as if the pirates magically summon the game information out of their butts.Copy of a disc =/= the same disc.This distinction is meaningless to a developer unless the game is still being sold new, which is not what this topic is about.Who cares about the developer? Do you think you should be allowed to sell used cars? The original company that made it won't be getting any of the money from the sale.Literally posting the "would you download a car?" argument.Only this time it is more like, "Would you download a car that was no longer being manufactured or sold by manufacturer owned dealers?"I would say yes. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viruscarrierxxx 12/15/11 4:52:00 PM #26:	http://www.destructoid.com/lionhead-used-games-worse-than-piracy-201343.phtml Oh look, an actual game developer agrees with me -- Those who would give up Liberty to purchase Safety, deserve neither. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e261/aulliax/kitten1.jpg <cite>viruscarrierxxx posted [p:558444] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> http://www.destructoid.com/lionhead-used-games-worse-than-piracy-201343.phtmlOh look, an actual game developer agrees with me -- Those who would give up Liberty to purchase Safety, deserve neither. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e261/aulliax/kitten1.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 12/15/11 4:54:00 PM #27:	personally, i buy new or i pirate. the only way used ever comes to play is if there's swag that i want, so basically CEs. that's the only consideration. either the dev gets part of the cut or the dev doesn't get any, so i don't have an in between and no dev will have to worry about there existing an in between out of me. either they get part of my money or nobody does. -- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:558445] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> personally, i buy new or i pirate. the only way used ever comes to play is if there's swag that i want, so basically CEs. that's the only consideration. either the dev gets part of the cut or the dev doesn't get any, so i don't have an in between and no dev will have to worry about there existing an in between out of me. either they get part of my money or nobody does. -- The King Wang.Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KJH 12/15/11 4:55:00 PM #28:	If I buy used, it's generally from a game store. I doubt that money is going towards any developer from them buying a game commercially (and not just to distribute), but it certainly is money going away from me that likely would have gone towards a new game. -- I have no idea who you are, but I thank you for arousing me. - Beruga Brawl FC: 3823-8243-5663 <cite>KJH posted [p:558446] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> If I buy used, it's generally from a game store. I doubt that money is going towards any developer from them buying a game commercially (and not just to distribute), but it certainly is money going away from me that likely would have gone towards a new game. -- I have no idea who you are, but I thank you for arousing me. - BerugaBrawl FC: 3823-8243-5663 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JJH777 12/15/11 4:55:00 PM #29:	From: viruscarrierxxx \| #026 http://www.destructoid.com/lionhead-used-games-worse-than-piracy-201343.phtml Oh look, an actual game developer agrees with me Good thing Lionhead is a terrible company. -- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis <cite>JJH777 posted [p:558447] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> From: viruscarrierxxx \| #026http://www.destructoid.com/lionhead-used-games-worse-than-piracy-201343.phtmlOh look, an actual game developer agrees with meGood thing Lionhead is a terrible company. -- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SubDeity 12/15/11 4:55:00 PM #30:	Both involve not giving the developer money for their hard work while enjoying the product they produce. Heck, used games reward this act so its actually worse than straight up pirating. No, because piracy involves getting an entirely new copy of the product, while buying used involves obtaining somebody else's copy, which they can no longer have. Seriously, do you people use the brains on your heads? -- SubDeity wants to vote for Calvin Coolidge. [Evil Republican] Play Der Langrisser. <cite>SubDeity posted [p:558448] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> Both involve not giving the developer money for their hard work while enjoying the product they produce. Heck, used games reward this act so its actually worse than straight up pirating.No, because piracy involves getting an entirely new copy of the product, while buying used involves obtaining somebody else's copy, which they can no longer have.Seriously, do you people use the brains on your heads? -- SubDeity wants to vote for Calvin Coolidge. [Evil Republican]Play Der Langrisser. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cloud and Squall 12/15/11 4:55:00 PM #31:	Great article. Especially the last part, rather than what one developer thinks: Aside from the fact that used games are legal, generally require the legitimate purchase of a copy in order for the games to be used, and generate trade-in credit for new games which make buying $60 products more financial viable for poorer gamers, I can't see how used games are more of a problem than an illegal activity that guarantees no money for anybody, on any level. I wish developers would stop chatting s*. -- See You In Another Life, Brother. <cite>Cloud and Squall posted [p:558449] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> Great article. Especially the last part, rather than what one developer thinks:Aside from the fact that used games are legal, generally require the legitimate purchase of a copy in order for the games to be used, and generate trade-in credit for new games which make buying $60 products more financial viable for poorer gamers, I can't see how used games are more of a problem than an illegal activity that guarantees no money for anybody, on any level. I wish developers would stop chatting s*. -- See You In Another Life, Brother. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaIker 12/15/11 4:56:00 PM #32:	better do it quick before sopa passes lmfao -- Boomshine ~Justin_Crossing <cite>WaIker posted [p:558450] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> better do it quick before sopa passes lmfao -- Boomshine~Justin_Crossing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JJH777 12/15/11 5:01:00 PM #33:	From: redrocket \| #025 *JJH777 posted...* From: redrocket \| #018 JJH777 posted... From: viruscarrierxxx \| #015 JJH777 posted... The difference is at some point the specific disc you have did get paid for. You say that as if the pirates magically summon the game information out of their butts. Copy of a disc =/= the same disc. This distinction is meaningless to a developer unless the game is still being sold new, which is not what this topic is about. Who cares about the developer? Do you think you should be allowed to sell used cars? The original company that made it won't be getting any of the money from the sale. Literally posting the "would you download a car?" argument. Only this time it is more like, "Would you download a car that was no longer being manufactured or sold by manufacturer owned dealers?" I would say yes. This isn't would you download a car this is would you sell a used car for money? If the answer is yes then you are a hypocrite. -- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis <cite>JJH777 posted [p:558451] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> From: redrocket \| #025JJH777 posted...From: redrocket \| #018JJH777 posted...From: viruscarrierxxx \| #015JJH777 posted...The difference is at some point the specific disc you have did get paid for.You say that as if the pirates magically summon the game information out of their butts.Copy of a disc =/= the same disc.This distinction is meaningless to a developer unless the game is still being sold new, which is not what this topic is about.Who cares about the developer? Do you think you should be allowed to sell used cars? The original company that made it won't be getting any of the money from the sale.Literally posting the "would you download a car?" argument.Only this time it is more like, "Would you download a car that was no longer being manufactured or sold by manufacturer owned dealers?"I would say yes.This isn't would you download a car this is would you sell a used car for money? If the answer is yes then you are a hypocrite. -- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viruscarrierxxx 12/15/11 5:02:00 PM #34:	*JJH777 posted...* This isn't would you download a car this is would you sell a used car for money? If the answer is yes then you are a hypocrite. I would be fine with it. Of course, Pirating doesn't set off my radar either. I consider them pretty much equal. -- Those who would give up Liberty to purchase Safety, deserve neither. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e261/aulliax/kitten1.jpg <cite>viruscarrierxxx posted [p:558452] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> JJH777 posted...This isn't would you download a car this is would you sell a used car for money? If the answer is yes then you are a hypocrite.I would be fine with it. Of course, Pirating doesn't set off my radar either. I consider them pretty much equal. -- Those who would give up Liberty to purchase Safety, deserve neither. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e261/aulliax/kitten1.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 12/15/11 5:07:00 PM #35:	*JJH777 posted...* This isn't would you download a car this is would you sell a used car for money? If the answer is yes then you are a hypocrite. Not really. Developers and their supporters have made a big issue about how the videogame industry is a unique snowflake and sales of used products hurt them far more than any other industry. Which is why car analogies are fail in general and everyone needs to stop using them. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch <cite>redrocket posted [p:558453] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> JJH777 posted...This isn't would you download a car this is would you sell a used car for money? If the answer is yes then you are a hypocrite.Not really. Developers and their supporters have made a big issue about how the videogame industry is a unique snowflake and sales of used products hurt them far more than any other industry. Which is why car analogies are fail in general and everyone needs to stop using them. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 12/15/11 5:20:00 PM #36:	*JaKyL25 posted...* I would say there's nothing morally wrong with it, but the sticky situation comes about when the game eventually gets sold again on a Virtual Console or GoG-style service. For example, someone pirating Bonk's Adventure in 2005 would be fine morally, but today it IS available for purchase, so I feel like to completely absolve yourself 100% morally you should probably buy it on VC if you previously pirated it when it was unavailable. Yeah, I would agree with this approach. -- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:558454] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> JaKyL25 posted...I would say there's nothing morally wrong with it, but the sticky situation comes about when the game eventually gets sold again on a Virtual Console or GoG-style service.For example, someone pirating Bonk's Adventure in 2005 would be fine morally, but today it IS available for purchase, so I feel like to completely absolve yourself 100% morally you should probably buy it on VC if you previously pirated it when it was unavailable.Yeah, I would agree with this approach. -- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liwakip 12/15/11 5:24:00 PM #37:	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Liwakip posted [p:558455] in The Morali... [t:61364489]...</cite> <quote> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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