Safer Sephiroth 777 posted... Relax people.All main Pokemon games are good games.All main FF titles are good games.You may not like some but that is okay.
Finally someone posted something which is mature.
Anyways, I've played both, FFVII and Red/Blue, both of the games were pretty awesome, but I liked Red/Blue much better than FFVII. My age was around 8 when I played both the games. So considering than I liked Pokemon Red Blue more, people say I'm immature? No, people who say I'm immature are themselves immature by saying that. Just because you know I liked Pokemon over FF, you just can't rate things, my favorite series has become God of War.
Both of them are RPGs, yes, Pokemon doesn't have a good plot of any kind of character development, so what? That doesn't mean it isn't fun to play. Red/Blue is around 4 times more popular than FFVII. Now again, this doesn't mean than Red/Blue is a better game than FFVII. So I won't be surprised if they beat FFVII characters. Besides, Red and Blue have been coming in the next few games too, and Cloud and Sephiroth has only be in one game.
FateStayAlbion posted... RPGs are not a genre based on gameplay, since lets be honest: menu based combat isn't fun.
I'm really going to have to disagree with you here. I think menu based combat can be very fun, and I feel that combat is the primary strength of most Pokemon and most FF games I've played. There are some RPGs worth playing primarily for their story (Koudelka jumps to mind) but many FF games don't pass my threshold of "good story" and thus most of my desire to play them comes from their menu-based combat. Hell, several early FF games basically don't have a story at all (FF1-3) and are still fine games.
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insanity domain posted... LOL at people playing games for the story.
Gameplay is all that matters, you fools.
A game could have the greatest story ever written, but if it plays like Superman 64, what's the point?
Of course gameplay is the number one thing that matters, but it's incredibly foolish and narrow-minded to think that nothing else matters. Especially story.
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the red vs blue was done in a less in your face attitude, it was intense, you fought numerous times, it was very personal, it was a great rivalry.
Cloud vs Sephiroth was convoluted, involved jenova a great deal, was alot of chasing and really, and really everyone in the party had motivations to stop him, it wasn't a great rivalry.
It says nothing about either game. Doesn't mean one is worse or better. I feel like Cloud's party vs the turks was a better rivalry, but the contest was 1 on 1, not group vs group.
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From: KJAZZ | Posted: 12/21/2011 4:35:35 AM | #103 Of course gameplay is the number one thing that matters, but it's incredibly foolish and narrow-minded to think that nothing else matters. Especially story.
Really depends on the game
I don't give a rat's ass about story in Mega Man X, Super Mario Galaxy, or even Fallout 3, an RPG. Story doesn't matter one bit in any of those games - they're great, but their stories are nonexistant or bad, they do nothing to make the game any better.
That's not to say that story never matters - it matters if it's what the game focuses on. Phoenix Wright for instance, would be terrible if the story sucked.
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FFVII doesn't do it well though, you can just sorta mash attack and throw some healing in. I mean I like FF7 quite a bit but it's gameplay is among the worst in the RPG genre.
I think it's hilarious to hear a guy say he put 160-200 hours into a mediocre game, though. I've only beaten FF7 twice and it's one of my favorites (despite my problems with the battle system)
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That's nonsense. You can "mash attack with a bit of healing" only if you grind excessively. There are many bosses where this has no chance of working unless you're overleveled big time.
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To argue that pokemon is better than ff7 is not correct the point is tht its a rivalry popularity/excellence battle. cloud and sephiroth are arguably one of the best rivalries not because its ff7. their char devpt was really great and they were so related that the last battle...
i havent played pokemon (this game) so i cant say how INTERESTING this rivalry is but CvS was very well developed
Eh, no. I don't grind much at all in any game. I'm someone who runs a lot and uses no encounters items often. FF7's strategy requirement is pretty bottom of the barrel as far as FF games go. FF8's worse but I think that's the only one. There are a few bosses where attack and heal won't work but not too many. Some you have to cast mighty guard, attack, and heal!
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I am 26 and I still like Pokemon. I find it funny that the OP is insulting people for liking Pokemon by calling them kids, but he "a mature adult" is gripping about the results of a video game popularity contest. Yea,h real mature.
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From: blazing phoenix | #111 I am 26 and I still like Pokemon. I find it funny that the OP is insulting people for liking Pokemon by calling them kids, but he "a mature adult" is gripping about the results of a video game popularity contest. Yea,h real mature.
It's even more funny how you are "gripping" about me "gripping" about the results of a video game popularity contest. Yeah real mature.
User728 posted... From: blazing phoenix | #111 I am 26 and I still like Pokemon. I find it funny that the OP is insulting people for liking Pokemon by calling them kids, but he "a mature adult" is gripping about the results of a video game popularity contest. Yea,h real mature. It's even more funny how you are "gripping" about me "gripping" about the results of a video game popularity contest. Yeah real mature.
No, his griping really isn't that funny, yours actually is.
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GuessMyUserName posted... From: KJAZZ | Posted: 12/21/2011 4:35:35 AM | #103 Of course gameplay is the number one thing that matters, but it's incredibly foolish and narrow-minded to think that nothing else matters. Especially story. Really depends on the game
I don't give a rat's ass about story in Mega Man X, Super Mario Galaxy, or even Fallout 3, an RPG. Story doesn't matter one bit in any of those games - they're great, but their stories are nonexistant or bad, they do nothing to make the game any better.
I was roughly 6-8 years old when I first played RBY and FF7. I don't have nostalgia goggles because honestly I think Black/White is the best pokemon game and FFX is the best Final Fantasy, (which I played when I was younger, but didn't really like it until I beat it in my teens).
Pokemon games are solid. They're never really spectacular but they're never terrible. When you buy a Pokemon game you know what you're going to get, a good game to play on a road trip, on the can, etc. Very consistent series, like Mario (main titles). With Final Fantasy there's ones I like (FFX) and ones I hate (IX, XII) but with Pokemon they're all pretty much on even ground. The fact that it doesn't have a story also makes it beneficial to play whenever you have a little free time (or taking a dump) cause you don't have to follow the story.
I voted Red/Blue because they're a better rivalry, and while Cloud and Sephiroth are pretty cool, the fact that FFVII is so overrated makes me not want to vote for them usually. I say FFVII is overrated because no matter how good it is, it could never measure up to the level people put it on. I don't particularly like it either, but I will acknowledge it's a good game.
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And as for Pokemon...it is not just the awfulness of the game itself (which it is pretty awful as far as RPGs go). It is also a matter of how kiddie the series is. Can anyone here tell me that Pokemon is NOT geared toward children? The cute little critters, the life lessons in the anime, the dialogue, etc. It is obviously made for children. I am not saying it is not possible for an adult to like the series, but if they do then they probably have Peter Pan Syndrome anyway. Red/Blue won simply because this site is flooded with underage children. 98% of the voters who are over the age 13 would have voted for FF7 either because Pokemon is too kiddie for them or because FF7 is just badass.
it was clearly "pokemon" in general as to why blue/red got so far. For one, it was Trainer blue and Trainer Red. Taking the cartoon series names that would be ash and gary, but in this case red vs blue. and they were together for what, one game? and a remake? Where countless others are generation (system) wide and multiple games per generation.
Thats why Cloud vs sephiroth shouldn't even of made it as far, it was a one game thing, sure the story was good and had some gravity, but for one game?
I agree with Mario vs bowser against link vs ganondorf, but for red vs blue to make it that far....pff, plus the cameos of "gary" were just one battle and done, didn't even become a major part of the story until the end.
what a joke (and i'm a huge Pokemon Red/Blue fan so get that out of ur minds)
I think I was 11 when I got my first trading card, 12 the first time I borrowed Pokemon Blue, and 13 when I actually bought Blue, Red, and Pokemon Stadium. I think 12 or 13 is when I also first saw an episode of Pokemon and decided I didn't want to do that again before going back to the game.
My favorite part about the games is how fast you can beat them. Roughly 3-4 hours on a speed run, plus there's a 3x speed function (thanks to Dodrio tower and/or cheats) that lets you speed that up further to about 90 minutes counting the time spend bumping into things from going too fast and course correcting. The speed in which you can actually beat the game is a lot of the reason my first Let's Play in years after I took down my Chrono Trigger videos was Pokemon Red since I knew I could knock it out in under a dozen videos at 10 minutes each.
Factors of speed are the main reasons that even though there are better games, Pokemon games and Final Fantasy IV are some of the game's I've played through the most. I could always play another for an hour or two and keep coming back every day for two or three weeks to beat it, but sometimes, I'd just rather sit down and beat a game in one go. From start to finish recording Red (which I'll admit was rather uninspired, unemotional, and I had to be rather quiet while people were sleeping) took all of about two hours to play and record before I started the 6 hour process of uploading the videos.
Final Fantasy VII definitely makes my top 5 for the Final Fantasy series and I do rank it above Pokemon, but I'm more interested in the rivalry, as per the actual theme of the contest. For that reason, I was actually supporting Squall vs. Seifer, but I was still quite happy to see (feels like I'm talking about the roosterteeth show) Red vs Blue. With Squall and Seifer, it wasn't really a focal point of the game and took a backseat to the plot, but the rivalry was one that was perfectly understandable and tried not to overplay itself. It was presented as a couple of teenagers that grew up together in a position of rivalry that had to adapt that into something a bit more serious in the real world.
For Cloud and Sephiroth, there was depth and similarly it was also convoluted and padded with so much extra that the rivalry itself also tended to take a backseat (though at any point in the game, the characters would still proclaim their goal to beat Sephiroth) in the actual game. It's later that the rivalry was overplayed in other media like the movie or the Kingdom Hearts/Dissidia games. At this point, it seems more like Sephiroth only exists to troll Cloud for no other reason than because people expect it. There are exceptions, but it seems out of character for Sephiroth based on his own character development.
There may not have been so much depth in the RvB (still feels like the web show) rivalry, but the Pokemon rivalries in general are something that are expected and looked at by the character as a sort of road sign to determine how far along you are in the story. Realistically, I probably don't see it beating Cloud vs Sephiroth (in spite of it already having done so) in a realistic competition based on rivalries alone, but it's definitely an important one to anyone who plays the Pokemon series whether that rival is Blue or one of the others in the game series.
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As a fan of FF VII and Red/Blue I like them both.However for actual rivalry,Red/Blue is a better one.Still voted for FF VII though.
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From: Fallacia | #126 I think I was 11 when I got my first trading card, 12 the first time I borrowed Pokemon Blue, and 13 when I actually bought Blue, Red, and Pokemon Stadium. I think 12 or 13 is when I also first saw an episode of Pokemon and decided I didn't want to do that again before going back to the game.
My favorite part about the games is how fast you can beat them. Roughly 3-4 hours on a speed run, plus there's a 3x speed function (thanks to Dodrio tower and/or cheats) that lets you speed that up further to about 90 minutes counting the time spend bumping into things from going too fast and course correcting. The speed in which you can actually beat the game is a lot of the reason my first Let's Play in years after I took down my Chrono Trigger videos was Pokemon Red since I knew I could knock it out in under a dozen videos at 10 minutes each.
Factors of speed are the main reasons that even though there are better games, Pokemon games and Final Fantasy IV are some of the game's I've played through the most. I could always play another for an hour or two and keep coming back every day for two or three weeks to beat it, but sometimes, I'd just rather sit down and beat a game in one go. From start to finish recording Red (which I'll admit was rather uninspired, unemotional, and I had to be rather quiet while people were sleeping) took all of about two hours to play and record before I started the 6 hour process of uploading the videos.
Final Fantasy VII definitely makes my top 5 for the Final Fantasy series and I do rank it above Pokemon, but I'm more interested in the rivalry, as per the actual theme of the contest. For that reason, I was actually supporting Squall vs. Seifer, but I was still quite happy to see (feels like I'm talking about the roosterteeth show) Red vs Blue. With Squall and Seifer, it wasn't really a focal point of the game and took a backseat to the plot, but the rivalry was one that was perfectly understandable and tried not to overplay itself. It was presented as a couple of teenagers that grew up together in a position of rivalry that had to adapt that into something a bit more serious in the real world.
For Cloud and Sephiroth, there was depth and similarly it was also convoluted and padded with so much extra that the rivalry itself also tended to take a backseat (though at any point in the game, the characters would still proclaim their goal to beat Sephiroth) in the actual game. It's later that the rivalry was overplayed in other media like the movie or the Kingdom Hearts/Dissidia games. At this point, it seems more like Sephiroth only exists to troll Cloud for no other reason than because people expect it. There are exceptions, but it seems out of character for Sephiroth based on his own character development.
There may not have been so much depth in the RvB (still feels like the web show) rivalry, but the Pokemon rivalries in general are something that are expected and looked at by the character as a sort of road sign to determine how far along you are in the story. Realistically, I probably don't see it beating Cloud vs Sephiroth (in spite of it already having done so) in a realistic competition based on rivalries alone, but it's definitely an important one to anyone who plays the Pokemon series whether that rival is Blue or one of the others in the game series.
Seriously, it should take less than a minute and a half to read all of that assuming at least a high school reading level. It's nothing compared to some of the novels I have to type when talking about deeper aspects of story mechanics on game boards or when giving detailed advice when someone is really stuck in a game.
User728 posted... Definitely not reading that.
Then I'll give you the short version:
Nostalgia, reason I still play Pokemon so much, more nostalgia, Chrono Trigger reference, my support of Squall and Seifer rationalizations, Red vs Blue roosterteeth reference, Cloud/Sephiroth rationalization, Red/Blue rationalization, nostalgia.
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