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JaKyL25 12/29/11 10:44:00 PM #251:	Unmemorable but not generally feeling offended by the match > memorable for being horrifically stupid. Victory Road was one of the more "memorable" TNA PPVs of the year, but that doesn't mean its gonna rise up over the bland ones! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603377] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Unmemorable but not generally feeling offended by the match > memorable for being horrifically stupid.Victory Road was one of the more "memorable" TNA PPVs of the year, but that doesn't mean its gonna rise up over the bland ones! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/29/11 10:47:00 PM #252:	From: Lopen \| #250 Though wow I'm kinda surprised to see Jakyl having Mania at like 20. I wasn't aware that the reaction to that PPV was quite that negative. Or it could just be that Jakyl is an outlier there. Oh yeah, people didn't like it very much. Most people generally agree that it's a Bottom Five WM. Now, if you trim it down to 3 hours and trim the fat, you've probably got a lower-Top-Ten PPV this year, depending on your opinion of Trips vs. Taker. Cody vs. Rey, Punk vs. Orton, and Edge vs. ADR were all in that * to 1/4 range, and ratings for Trips vs. Taker vary wildly, to say the least. I've seen as high as *1/2 and as low as . -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603378] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: Lopen \| #250Though wow I'm kinda surprised to see Jakyl having Mania at like 20. I wasn't aware that the reaction to that PPV was quite that negative.Or it could just be that Jakyl is an outlier there.Oh yeah, people didn't like it very much. Most people generally agree that it's a Bottom Five WM.Now, if you trim it down to 3 hours and trim the fat, you've probably got a lower-Top-Ten PPV this year, depending on your opinion of Trips vs. Taker. Cody vs. Rey, Punk vs. Orton, and Edge vs. ADR were all in that * to 1/4 range, and ratings for Trips vs. Taker vary wildly, to say the least. I've seen as high as *1/2 and as low as . -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Haguile 12/29/11 10:48:00 PM #253:	I loved the way Truth/Cena ended because HE GOT GOT BY LITTLE JIMMY. Also because CENA NEEDED HELP TO BEAT TRUTH. <cite>Haguile posted [p:603379] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I loved the way Truth/Cena ended because HE GOT GOT BY LITTLE JIMMY. Also because CENA NEEDED HELP TO BEAT TRUTH. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 12/29/11 10:49:00 PM #254:	Nah I mean I remember stuff like Cena telling Miz he hits like a girl, and the cellphone mishap with Riley (which was pretty decent continuity since it was Chioda foiling Miz's plan AGAIN, and it being Riley's fault again). I mean I remember the terrible ending as well, but yeah. -- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. The guru champ isn't such a SuperNiceDog, he made me change my sig! <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:603380] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Nah I mean I remember stuff like Cena telling Miz he hits like a girl, and the cellphone mishap with Riley (which was pretty decent continuity since it was Chioda foiling Miz's plan AGAIN, and it being Riley's fault again).I mean I remember the terrible ending as well, but yeah. -- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism.The guru champ isn't such a SuperNiceDog, he made me change my sig! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/29/11 10:53:00 PM #255:	From: Haguile \| #253 I loved the way Truth/Cena ended because HE GOT GOT BY LITTLE JIMMY. Also because CENA NEEDED HELP TO BEAT TRUTH. Just because someone won with some outside assistance doesn't necessarily mean they NEEDED that help to win. <_< People make that assumption a lot though, especially when it comes to the way heels are booked. Just because they DID cheat to win doesn't mean they HAD to in every circumstance. They take shortcuts because they're bad people. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603381] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: Haguile \| #253I loved the way Truth/Cena ended because HE GOT GOT BY LITTLE JIMMY. Also because CENA NEEDED HELP TO BEAT TRUTH.Just because someone won with some outside assistance doesn't necessarily mean they NEEDED that help to win. <_<People make that assumption a lot though, especially when it comes to the way heels are booked. Just because they DID cheat to win doesn't mean they HAD to in every circumstance. They take shortcuts because they're bad people. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 12/29/11 10:56:00 PM #256:	I have it on a very reliable source that this is how this Kane trying to turn Cena/Cena getting sick of being booed/feud with the Rock angle is going to end. Wrestlemania Spoilers Cena rises above hate. Wins without turning heel. end spoilers From: Lopen \| #250 Though wow I'm kinda surprised to see Jakyl having Mania at like 20. I wasn't aware that the reaction to that PPV was quite that negative. Or it could just be that Jakyl is an outlier there. I'm actually surprised it managed to make it into the "good, but flawed" range. There were only three redeeming qualities to that show in my mind. 1) Orton vs Punk was good. 2) Trish Stratus wrestled a match. Or part of one. Whatever, Stratusfaction. 3) It got so bad at points that it was hilarious. Seriously, that has to be among the worst Wrestlemania main events of all time (there are worse, but not many). And we were all hyped for Sheamus vs Daniel Bryan, only to have it turned into a dark match. That was pretty hilarious, with all of us in the chat getting pissed over that. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Police http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:603382] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I have it on a very reliable source that this is how this Kane trying to turn Cena/Cena getting sick of being booed/feud with the Rock angle is going to end.Wrestlemania SpoilersCena rises above hate. Wins without turning heel.end spoilersFrom: Lopen \| #250Though wow I'm kinda surprised to see Jakyl having Mania at like 20. I wasn't aware that the reaction to that PPV was quite that negative.Or it could just be that Jakyl is an outlier there.I'm actually surprised it managed to make it into the "good, but flawed" range. There were only three redeeming qualities to that show in my mind.1) Orton vs Punk was good.2) Trish Stratus wrestled a match. Or part of one. Whatever, Stratusfaction.3) It got so bad at points that it was hilarious. Seriously, that has to be among the worst Wrestlemania main events of all time (there are worse, but not many). And we were all hyped for Sheamus vs Daniel Bryan, only to have it turned into a dark match. That was pretty hilarious, with all of us in the chat getting pissed over that. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Policehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 12/29/11 11:01:00 PM #257:	I'll be so pissed if the Cena/Rock thing changes nothing. Like, Cena wins clean, show ends with him and Rock maybe shaking hands, or just Cena celebrating happily as his music plays. For me the ideal scenario is Rock wins, Cena turns. I'll take Cena wins, Cena turns or even Rock wins, Cena doesn't turn but Cena winning and nothing changing as a result just seems like a dumb missed opportunity -- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. The guru champ isn't such a SuperNiceDog, he made me change my sig! <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:603383] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I'll be so pissed if the Cena/Rock thing changes nothing. Like, Cena wins clean, show ends with him and Rock maybe shaking hands, or just Cena celebrating happily as his music plays. For me the ideal scenario is Rock wins, Cena turns. I'll take Cena wins, Cena turns or even Rock wins, Cena doesn't turn but Cena winning and nothing changing as a result just seems like a dumb missed opportunity -- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism.The guru champ isn't such a SuperNiceDog, he made me change my sig! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/29/11 11:01:00 PM #258:	You didn't like Edge vs. ADR? IMO it was the MotN, if you disregard THAT MATCH. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603384] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> You didn't like Edge vs. ADR?IMO it was the MotN, if you disregard THAT MATCH. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 12/29/11 11:02:00 PM #259:	Yeah I didn't really watch WM or anything, I just kinda automatically assume it "should be" one of the better PPVs and I recall the card looking pretty decent too. I remember mixed reactions to HHH/Taker but yeah. -- I tried to have a fierce rivalry with SuperNiceDog, but he made me look worse than a GameFAQs Contest! <cite>Lopen posted [p:603385] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Yeah I didn't really watch WM or anything, I just kinda automatically assume it "should be" one of the better PPVs and I recall the card looking pretty decent too. I remember mixed reactions to HHH/Taker but yeah. -- I tried to have a fierce rivalry with SuperNiceDog, but he made me look worse than a GameFAQs Contest! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/29/11 11:07:00 PM #260:	From: Lopen \| #259 Yeah I didn't really watch WM or anything, I just kinda automatically assume it "should be" one of the better PPVs and I recall the card looking pretty decent too. I remember mixed reactions to HHH/Taker but yeah. It's all the fluff that hurts it. Hypothetically, if you fast-forward through it down to the important stuff: Rey vs. Cody Orton vs. Punk Edge vs. ADR Trips vs. Undertaker Miz vs. Cena (whatever, it kinda has to stay) Then you've got something roughly equal to Summerslam, probably right below it on the ranking. The problem is that that stuff in its entirety with all the video package/entrances/post-match frills intact, takes up roughly 2 hours of a 4-hour show. The other half of WM was abysmal. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603386] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: Lopen \| #259Yeah I didn't really watch WM or anything, I just kinda automatically assume it "should be" one of the better PPVs and I recall the card looking pretty decent too. I remember mixed reactions to HHH/Taker but yeah.It's all the fluff that hurts it.Hypothetically, if you fast-forward through it down to the important stuff:Rey vs. CodyOrton vs. PunkEdge vs. ADRTrips vs. UndertakerMiz vs. Cena (whatever, it kinda has to stay)Then you've got something roughly equal to Summerslam, probably right below it on the ranking.The problem is that that stuff in its entirety with all the video package/entrances/post-match frills intact, takes up roughly 2 hours of a 4-hour show.The other half of WM was abysmal. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/29/11 11:14:00 PM #261:	As an addendum to that list, I'll say that if you want to count both Honor Takes Center Stage shows as one big two-chapter PPV (since they were sold that way despite taking place over two days), then I would actually put it above Money in the Bank. But I'm not counting it that way. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603387] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> As an addendum to that list, I'll say that if you want to count both Honor Takes Center Stage shows as one big two-chapter PPV (since they were sold that way despite taking place over two days), then I would actually put it above Money in the Bank.But I'm not counting it that way. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 12/29/11 11:23:00 PM #262:	From: JaKyL25 \| #258 You didn't like Edge vs. ADR? IMO it was the MotN, if you disregard THAT MATCH. I actually missed that match come to think of it. So maybe there was a fourth good thing about the show. Also Cody vs Rey was fine, but I don't remember anything impressive about it. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i51.tinypic.com/2dqowae.jpg <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:603388] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #258You didn't like Edge vs. ADR?IMO it was the MotN, if you disregard THAT MATCH.I actually missed that match come to think of it. So maybe there was a fourth good thing about the show. Also Cody vs Rey was fine, but I don't remember anything impressive about it. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://i51.tinypic.com/2dqowae.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/29/11 11:27:00 PM #263:	Well yeah, it's definitely 3rd in the Edge vs. ADR/Punk vs. Orton/Rey vs. Cody group. But it's so much closer to those other two matches than it is to the next-best match on the card (which is actually Cena vs. Miz). -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603389] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Well yeah, it's definitely 3rd in the Edge vs. ADR/Punk vs. Orton/Rey vs. Cody group.But it's so much closer to those other two matches than it is to the next-best match on the card (which is actually Cena vs. Miz). -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 12/29/11 11:33:00 PM #264:	Man, I forgot about Elimination Chamber when I did event of the year. Drew going nuts was awesome -- Got TURKEY MAGIC'D Woo Woo Woo You Know It! Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog <cite>GTM posted [p:603390] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Man, I forgot about Elimination Chamber when I did event of the year. Drew going nuts was awesome -- Got TURKEY MAGIC'D Woo Woo Woo You Know It!Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 12/29/11 11:34:00 PM #265:	I actually rank the Snooki match above the Cena/Miz match. Sure, it was only three minutes. But at least there were moments in those three minutes that I remember as entertaining. The entire fifteen minutes of Cena vs Miz was just a train wreck. Hell, I'll even put Santino's Ragtag Group squashing The Corre over the main event. At least that ended with Kane doing a Santino-trumpet burned forever upon my mind. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7972/tokidoandi3.jpg <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:603391] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I actually rank the Snooki match above the Cena/Miz match. Sure, it was only three minutes. But at least there were moments in those three minutes that I remember as entertaining. The entire fifteen minutes of Cena vs Miz was just a train wreck.Hell, I'll even put Santino's Ragtag Group squashing The Corre over the main event. At least that ended with Kane doing a Santino-trumpet burned forever upon my mind. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7972/tokidoandi3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/29/11 11:44:00 PM #266:	Just as long as you don't put Lawler vs. Cole over it. I just realized that my favorite Wrestlemania Jakyl Fun Fact is gonna get raked over the coals this year. With one singular list of 10 men, you can cover at least one participant in every World Title Match in Wrestlemania history, both World Titles included. Hulk Hogan Randy Savage Yokozuna Shawn Michaels The Undertaker The Rock Triple H Kurt Angle John Cena Edge I think it's interesting that you don't need Bret Hart, Steve Austin, Batista, or Randy Orton to get there, despite them all having been in 3 Wrestlemania World Title Matches. The only person on that list who is still on the regular roster is Cena, and he's already booked. Probably gonna have to add 2 names to that list this year! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603392] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Just as long as you don't put Lawler vs. Cole over it.I just realized that my favorite Wrestlemania Jakyl Fun Fact is gonna get raked over the coals this year.With one singular list of 10 men, you can cover at least one participant in every World Title Match in Wrestlemania history, both World Titles included.Hulk HoganRandy SavageYokozunaShawn MichaelsThe UndertakerThe RockTriple HKurt AngleJohn CenaEdgeI think it's interesting that you don't need Bret Hart, Steve Austin, Batista, or Randy Orton to get there, despite them all having been in 3 Wrestlemania World Title Matches.The only person on that list who is still on the regular roster is Cena, and he's already booked.Probably gonna have to add 2 names to that list this year! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 12/29/11 11:51:00 PM #267:	God no. Lawler vs Cole was terrible. That is an amazing fun fact. Come to think of it, how many World Title matches has Jericho been in at 'Mania? I can only think of the recent one with Edge, but it seems like there should be more. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i56.tinypic.com/2lm9lpf.jpg <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:603393] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> God no. Lawler vs Cole was terrible.That is an amazing fun fact. Come to think of it, how many World Title matches has Jericho been in at 'Mania? I can only think of the recent one with Edge, but it seems like there should be more. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://i56.tinypic.com/2lm9lpf.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/29/11 11:54:00 PM #268:	I am goingto take it as a personal affront that you have TLC that high, well over Genesis and Final Battle at least. TLC had much MUCH more in common with Vengeance/CP/OTL than Honor Takes Center Stage or Against All Odds. I mean smarky booking aside there was like a single solid bout on the whole card, with the ME being a surprisingly ok bout. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:603394] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I am goingto take it as a personal affront that you have TLC that high, well over Genesis and Final Battle at least.TLC had much MUCH more in common with Vengeance/CP/OTL than Honor Takes Center Stage or Against All Odds.I mean smarky booking aside there was like a single solid bout on the whole card, with the ME being a surprisingly ok bout. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 12/29/11 11:57:00 PM #269:	Trips is reading this and will now use it as an excuse to get into the world title scene between now and WM. Well done Jakyl. -- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. The guru champ isn't such a SuperNiceDog, he made me change my sig! <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:603395] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Trips is reading this and will now use it as an excuse to get into the world title scene between now and WM. Well done Jakyl. -- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism.The guru champ isn't such a SuperNiceDog, he made me change my sig! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/29/11 11:57:00 PM #270:	From: Rad Link 5 \| #267 That is an amazing fun fact. Come to think of it, how many World Title matches has Jericho been in at 'Mania? I can only think of the recent one with Edge, but it seems like there should be more. Don't tell me you've forgotten the Wrestlemania X8 main event! Triple H vs. Stephanie McMahon (represented in-ring by Chris Jericho). -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603396] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: Rad Link 5 \| #267That is an amazing fun fact. Come to think of it, how many World Title matches has Jericho been in at 'Mania? I can only think of the recent one with Edge, but it seems like there should be more.Don't tell me you've forgotten the Wrestlemania X8 main event!Triple H vs. Stephanie McMahon (represented in-ring by Chris Jericho). -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 12:10:00 AM #271:	Wrestlemania Spoilers Cena rises above hate. Wins without turning heel. end spoilers Heh, this would be ***ing awesome only for how much it will ROYALLY piss off the smarks. It better* be accompanied by a CM Punk title win/retain or something to tide them over! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603397] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Wrestlemania SpoilersCena rises above hate. Wins without turning heel.end spoilersHeh, this would be ***ing awesome only for how much it will ROYALLY piss off the smarks. It better* be accompanied by a CM Punk title win/retain or something to tide them over! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 12:13:00 AM #272:	If it really is gonna be Punk vs. Jericho at Wrestlemania like the dirtsheets think, that's win-win for smarks either way! But hey, if Cena vs. Rock really wants to be Rock passing the torch to Cena just like Hogan passed the torch to Rock, then it only makes sense for the babyface winner to be booed out of the arena the whole way just like back then. <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603398] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> If it really is gonna be Punk vs. Jericho at Wrestlemania like the dirtsheets think, that's win-win for smarks either way!But hey, if Cena vs. Rock really wants to be Rock passing the torch to Cena just like Hogan passed the torch to Rock, then it only makes sense for the babyface winner to be booed out of the arena the whole way just like back then. <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/30/11 12:22:00 AM #273:	I am kind of ambivalent on the whole thing. I mean this situation hasnt really existed since Bret, but back then ALL of the fanbase wasturning against his boyscout truly good guy character. But now, Cena is the only one of those the company has aside from Bryan (and lets get real if cena turns DANIEL "third fiddle in the feud over my OWN title" BRYAN isnt gonna replace him). I struggle to see who plays the good guy for the kids in the absence of a good guy straigtlaced Cena. That said I DO think thats where this is headed- a cena who is a bit more intense and in touch with the rougher past version of himself- as foreshadowed by the rapping last time Rock wasaround. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:603399] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I am kind of ambivalent on the whole thing. I mean this situation hasnt really existed since Bret, but back then ALL of the fanbase wasturning against his boyscout truly good guy character. But now, Cena is the only one of those the company has aside from Bryan (and lets get real if cena turns DANIEL "third fiddle in the feud over my OWN title" BRYAN isnt gonna replace him). I struggle to see who plays the good guy for the kids in the absence of a good guy straigtlaced Cena. That said I DO think thats where this is headed- a cena who is a bit more intense and in touch with the rougher past version of himself- as foreshadowed by the rapping last time Rock wasaround. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Haguile 12/30/11 12:25:00 AM #274:	From: JaKyL25 \| Posted: 12/30/2011 1:53:34 AM \| #255 Just because someone won with some outside assistance doesn't necessarily mean they NEEDED that help to win. <_< People make that assumption a lot though, especially when it comes to the way heels are booked. Just because they DID cheat to win doesn't mean they HAD to in every circumstance. They take shortcuts because they're bad people. So...what you are saying is that Cena is a bad person? <.< <cite>Haguile posted [p:603400] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| Posted: 12/30/2011 1:53:34 AM \| #255Just because someone won with some outside assistance doesn't necessarily mean they NEEDED that help to win. <_<People make that assumption a lot though, especially when it comes to the way heels are booked. Just because they DID cheat to win doesn't mean they HAD to in every circumstance. They take shortcuts because they're bad people.So...what you are saying is that Cena is a bad person? <.< </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 12:41:00 AM #275:	If he had asked for the help then yes! It was coincidental in that case though. <_< From: edwardsdv \| #273 I am kind of ambivalent on the whole thing. I mean this situation hasnt really existed since Bret, but back then ALL of the fanbase wasturning against his boyscout truly good guy character. That's not entirely accurate. They noticed that a segment of the fanbase was turning, and booked everything towards the WM13 double turn tipping point to try and get everyone on the same page. If they ever do pull the trigger on turning Cena, that's the big allure--the crowd will be unified, and the heat will be nuclear. Smarks won't suddenly love Cena because he's heel. In most cases they do, but this is a special one. Especially if his power level remains the same. "What if Superman woke up one day and decided he wanted to kill everyone?" -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603401] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> If he had asked for the help then yes!It was coincidental in that case though. <_<From: edwardsdv \| #273I am kind of ambivalent on the whole thing. I mean this situation hasnt really existed since Bret, but back then ALL of the fanbase wasturning against his boyscout truly good guy character.That's not entirely accurate. They noticed that a segment of the fanbase was turning, and booked everything towards the WM13 double turn tipping point to try and get everyone on the same page.If they ever do pull the trigger on turning Cena, that's the big allure--the crowd will be unified, and the heat will be nuclear. Smarks won't suddenly love Cena because he's heel. In most cases they do, but this is a special one. Especially if his power level remains the same."What if Superman woke up one day and decided he wanted to kill everyone?" -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 12/30/11 12:42:00 AM #276:	Hey edwards check your messages dammit Want MY PRIZE. -- I tried to have a fierce rivalry with SuperNiceDog, but he made me look worse than a GameFAQs Contest! <cite>Lopen posted [p:603402] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Hey edwards check your messages dammitWant MY PRIZE. -- I tried to have a fierce rivalry with SuperNiceDog, but he made me look worse than a GameFAQs Contest! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 12:57:00 AM #277:	They have a lot of things set up perfectly if they ever did want to turn him too. They have the idol to desecrate. Just as Hogan spraypainted the Big Gold Belt, Cena will smash the Spinner Belt to pieces. They have the fallguy. Just as Randy Orton turned heel by RKOing Stacy Keibler, someone innocent that everyone loved, John Cena can one day snap and destroy Zack Ryder, someone beloved by the entire fanbase. They have the motive. Just as Jericho was offended that HBK got free passes from fans for doing bad things that he didn't get, so too does Cena feel offended that the fans cheer a guy who abandoned them over someone who has given them everything he has. They have the need. They've struggled to get anyone truly over as a main event face, aside from Punk, for a long time (and even he only did so by beating Cena!). Just as Sting fought the unstoppable Vader, the man who bravely faces Heel Cena head on will be a hero. Everyone has said since 200X that Cena needs to turn heel again. Only now has he passed the point of no return where smarks now would not cheer him for doing so. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603403] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> They have a lot of things set up perfectly if they ever did want to turn him too.They have the idol to desecrate. Just as Hogan spraypainted the Big Gold Belt, Cena will smash the Spinner Belt to pieces.They have the fallguy. Just as Randy Orton turned heel by RKOing Stacy Keibler, someone innocent that everyone loved, John Cena can one day snap and destroy Zack Ryder, someone beloved by the entire fanbase.They have the motive. Just as Jericho was offended that HBK got free passes from fans for doing bad things that he didn't get, so too does Cena feel offended that the fans cheer a guy who abandoned them over someone who has given them everything he has.They have the need. They've struggled to get anyone truly over as a main event face, aside from Punk, for a long time (and even he only did so by beating Cena!). Just as Sting fought the unstoppable Vader, the man who bravely faces Heel Cena head on will be a hero.Everyone has said since 200X that Cena needs to turn heel again. Only now has he passed the point of no return where smarks now would not cheer him for doing so. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScareChan 12/30/11 12:57:00 AM #278:	If Orton is really injured that could be a huge issue in regards to Cena with a potential heel turn because with a Cena heel turn his big feud is face Orton at something like summerslam, and the only other money match up right now is Taker at mania. Nothing else is a big match for heel Cena right now. Seriously what do you do with a heel Cena right now? Have him squash Ryder for 2 months? There are no face stars outside of Orton that can draw from a heel Cena right now. Cena vs Sheamus would be amazing but it would have little to no direction and should be shorter than the Ryder program. The only way Cena works heel is if you have Miz turn face to be his foil. Have Orton push him to the limit but you have to make Miz red hot and have him be seen as the guy that Cena is ducking. -- Circle gets the Scare! Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with <cite>ScareChan posted [p:603404] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> If Orton is really injured that could be a huge issue in regards to Cena with a potential heel turn because with a Cena heel turn his big feud is face Orton at something like summerslam, and the only other money match up right now is Taker at mania. Nothing else is a big match for heel Cena right now. Seriously what do you do with a heel Cena right now? Have him squash Ryder for 2 months? There are no face stars outside of Orton that can draw from a heel Cena right now. Cena vs Sheamus would be amazing but it would have little to no direction and should be shorter than the Ryder program.The only way Cena works heel is if you have Miz turn face to be his foil. Have Orton push him to the limit but you have to make Miz red hot and have him be seen as the guy that Cena is ducking. -- Circle gets the Scare!Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScareChan 12/30/11 1:00:00 AM #279:	And Punk doesn't count as I dont feel they will have that match up right away. This thing with Punk was big and they should be keeping that for a specific situation. In fact teasing a Cena/Punk thing right away would be interesting if Cena immediately leaves Raw to go to Smackdown on his own. Or Punk wants Cena but gets drafted. Purposely keeping them off the same show so they have it slow burn. -- Circle gets the Scare! Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with <cite>ScareChan posted [p:603405] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> And Punk doesn't count as I dont feel they will have that match up right away. This thing with Punk was big and they should be keeping that for a specific situation.In fact teasing a Cena/Punk thing right away would be interesting if Cena immediately leaves Raw to go to Smackdown on his own. Or Punk wants Cena but gets drafted. Purposely keeping them off the same show so they have it slow burn. -- Circle gets the Scare!Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 1:00:00 AM #280:	Well he wouldn't turn until Wrestlemania. And then yeah, you have him go up against Orton...and win. You have him go up against Rey...and win. You have him go up against Punk...and win. You have him go up against Big Show...and win. By that time you should have SOMEONE prepared to actually face him and take him down. Sheamus is one option. The goal of Heel Cena is to use him to build the next megaface, whoever that person is. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603406] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Well he wouldn't turn until Wrestlemania.And then yeah, you have him go up against Orton...and win. You have him go up against Rey...and win. You have him go up against Punk...and win. You have him go up against Big Show...and win.By that time you should have SOMEONE prepared to actually face him and take him down. Sheamus is one option. The goal of Heel Cena is to use him to build the next megaface, whoever that person is. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/30/11 2:00:00 AM #281:	Yeah, with WCW the answer was "that reliable Sting chap" With the current WWE this is like a wide open question where they have to make a decision about who they want to coronate. The OPTIONS as far as I can see are Sheamus, Barrett, Ziggler, Rhodes, and Miz, Young, but established guys who have shown they can carry ME or near ME feuds(aside from Rhodes) all with different strengths. If youre WWE who do YOU bet on? -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:603407] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, with WCW the answer was "that reliable Sting chap"With the current WWE this is like a wide open question where they have to make a decision about who they want to coronate.The OPTIONS as far as I can see are Sheamus, Barrett, Ziggler, Rhodes, and Miz, Young, but established guys who have shown they can carry ME or near ME feuds(aside from Rhodes) all with different strengths. If youre WWE who do YOU bet on? -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
X_Dante_X 12/30/11 2:09:00 AM #282:	From: JaKyL25 \| #280 By that time you should have SOMEONE prepared to actually face him and take him down. Sheamus is one option. The goal of Heel Cena is to use him to build the next megaface, whoever that person is. Jakyl knows -- boring and mundane signature congratulating SuperNiceDog Now with more bold! Less Italics due to bold <cite>X_Dante_X posted [p:603408] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #280By that time you should have SOMEONE prepared to actually face him and take him down. Sheamus is one option. The goal of Heel Cena is to use him to build the next megaface, whoever that person is.Jakyl knows -- boring and mundane signature congratulating SuperNiceDogNow with more bold! Less Italics due to bold </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 2:09:00 AM #283:	...Bobby Lashley? <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603409] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> ...Bobby Lashley? <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/30/11 2:12:00 AM #284:	hahah Bobby Lashley. I can just imagine if they ever take him back what kinda mop related ploy hell be forced into. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:603410] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> hahah Bobby Lashley. I can just imagine if they ever take him back what kinda mop related ploy hell be forced into. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
X_Dante_X 12/30/11 2:14:00 AM #285:	I actually like the idea of MEGAFACE SHEAMUS taking the title off heel cena. If theres one thing Sheamus knows how to do, its take the world title off of john cena! -- boring and mundane signature congratulating SuperNiceDog Now with more bold! Less Italics due to bold <cite>X_Dante_X posted [p:603411] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I actually like the idea of MEGAFACE SHEAMUS taking the title off heel cena. If theres one thing Sheamus knows how to do, its take the world title off of john cena! -- boring and mundane signature congratulating SuperNiceDogNow with more bold! Less Italics due to bold </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 12/30/11 2:15:00 AM #286:	a 35 year old mother of three -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:603412] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> a 35 year old mother of three -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazinehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/30/11 2:16:00 AM #287:	Wow she looks smokin for 35 w/ kids. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:603413] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Wow she looks smokin for 35 w/ kids. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 12/30/11 2:18:00 AM #288:	she could probably kick your ass mine too -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:603414] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> she could probably kick your assmine too -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazinehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/30/11 2:34:00 AM #289:	Hey man I took like ONE SEMESTER of Jiujitsu in college. I could TOTALLY take her. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:603415] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Hey man I took like ONE SEMESTER of Jiujitsu in college. I could TOTALLY take her. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
X_Dante_X 12/30/11 2:35:00 AM #290:	From: edwardsdv \| #289 Hey man I took like ONE SEMESTER of Jiujitsu in college. I could TOTALLY take her. what form of jujitsu? -- boring and mundane signature congratulating SuperNiceDog Now with more bold! Less Italics due to bold <cite>X_Dante_X posted [p:603416] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: edwardsdv \| #289Hey man I took like ONE SEMESTER of Jiujitsu in college. I could TOTALLY take her.what form of jujitsu? -- boring and mundane signature congratulating SuperNiceDogNow with more bold! Less Italics due to bold </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 12/30/11 2:37:00 AM #291:	From: edwardsdv \| #289 Hey man I took like ONE SEMESTER of Jiujitsu in college. I could TOTALLY take her. counterpoint: she was raised by vince mcmahon your move -- bad advice http://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:603417] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: edwardsdv \| #289Hey man I took like ONE SEMESTER of Jiujitsu in college. I could TOTALLY take her.counterpoint: she was raised by vince mcmahonyour move -- bad advicehttp://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/30/11 2:44:00 AM #292:	I was raised by uhhh Bruno Sammartino? ok thats not true. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:603418] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I was raised by uhhh Bruno Sammartino?ok thats not true. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 12/30/11 3:00:00 AM #293:	Now the proud owner of a vintage E&C 5 second pose t-shirt. I don't generally get wrestling shirts but it's actually stylistically solid and I've always been a huge E&C fan. Thanks again edwards! -- I tried to have a fierce rivalry with SuperNiceDog, but he made me look worse than a GameFAQs Contest! <cite>Lopen posted [p:603419] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Now the proud owner of a vintage E&C 5 second pose t-shirt. I don't generally get wrestling shirts but it's actually stylistically solid and I've always been a huge E&C fan. Thanks again edwards! -- I tried to have a fierce rivalry with SuperNiceDog, but he made me look worse than a GameFAQs Contest! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 8:52:00 AM #294:	http://vids.wwe.com/14437/wwecom-exclusive-wwecom-reporter IS THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP CHANGING DANIEL BRYAN? WHAT A JERK! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603420] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> http://vids.wwe.com/14437/wwecom-exclusive-wwecom-reporterIS THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP CHANGING DANIEL BRYAN? WHAT A JERK! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 8:54:00 AM #295:	I just wonder.... if they actually do turn Cena heel, how will the smarks react? They've been asking for it for so long, but supposedly they hate Cena and think he's generally untalented too. Will they boo Cena knowing full well that's exactly what the corporate suits want them to do? Will they cheer him to be rebellious even though they supposedly hate him? Should be interesting! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603421] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I just wonder.... if they actually do turn Cena heel, how will the smarks react? They've been asking for it for so long, but supposedly they hate Cena and think he's generally untalented too. Will they boo Cena knowing full well that's exactly what the corporate suits want them to do? Will they cheer him to be rebellious even though they supposedly hate him? Should be interesting! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 8:59:00 AM #296:	I think that's why it's important to not make him too "cool." Don't change his outfit, don't change his music, don't change his corniness, don't change his main-event dominance. That way you ensure maximum booing. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603422] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I think that's why it's important to not make him too "cool." Don't change his outfit, don't change his music, don't change his corniness, don't change his main-event dominance. That way you ensure maximum booing. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 9:01:00 AM #297:	And I think the "Cena Sucks" shirts are maybe a barometer for this, to see whether or not smarks will "play along" (unwittingly or no), or whether they're aware enough to say "hey, now WWE WANTS this reaction from me. I refuse to give it!" -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603423] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> And I think the "Cena Sucks" shirts are maybe a barometer for this, to see whether or not smarks will "play along" (unwittingly or no), or whether they're aware enough to say "hey, now WWE WANTS this reaction from me. I refuse to give it!" -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 9:03:00 AM #298:	From: JaKyL25 \| #296 I think that's why it's important to not make him too "cool." Don't change his outfit, don't change his music, don't change his corniness, don't change his main-event dominance. That way you ensure maximum booing. I'm not so sure it can work that way though, a lot of dominoes will fall. Look at it this way, if the logic is "Well we can afford to turn Cena heel because we have Punk now" then I guess what they want is for the people who hate Cena now to continue hating him, and for all the kids and women to start hating Cena and move to becoming Punk supporters. But if that happens, Punk will suddenly lose a lot of cache with the smarks and the 20-something males. A big part of being a smark is doing the exact opposite of what they "want" you to do. At this point, I'm not sure they can possibly create a scenario where Cena gets anything other than a mixed reaction. Maybe they can get him full heel for the duration of his WM feud with the Rock but outside that I just don't see it working. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603424] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #296I think that's why it's important to not make him too "cool." Don't change his outfit, don't change his music, don't change his corniness, don't change his main-event dominance. That way you ensure maximum booing.I'm not so sure it can work that way though, a lot of dominoes will fall. Look at it this way, if the logic is "Well we can afford to turn Cena heel because we have Punk now" then I guess what they want is for the people who hate Cena now to continue hating him, and for all the kids and women to start hating Cena and move to becoming Punk supporters.But if that happens, Punk will suddenly lose a lot of cache with the smarks and the 20-something males. A big part of being a smark is doing the exact opposite of what they "want" you to do. At this point, I'm not sure they can possibly create a scenario where Cena gets anything other than a mixed reaction. Maybe they can get him full heel for the duration of his WM feud with the Rock but outside that I just don't see it working. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 9:03:00 AM #299:	Why would anyone buy a WWE sanctioned Cena Sucks shirt when the WE HATE CENA shirt seems to be readily available for those who want it? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603425] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Why would anyone buy a WWE sanctioned Cena Sucks shirt when the WE HATE CENA shirt seems to be readily available for those who want it? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 9:08:00 AM #300:	Because the "smart" half of the smark is oftentimes a misnomer. <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603426] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Because the "smart" half of the smark is oftentimes a misnomer. <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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