Board 8 > Girl gets prayer removed from school wall, overreactions everywhere. [Beware]

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TheRock1525 01/30/12 7:38:00 PM #351:	It's more that religion is associated with the supernatural, rituals, dogmatism. Associated with but not defined by. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:726469] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> It's more that religion is associated with the supernatural, rituals, dogmatism.Associated with but not defined by. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/30/12 7:38:00 PM #352:	Okay, we can go with "defined by" if you want. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:726470] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Okay, we can go with "defined by" if you want. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 01/30/12 7:39:00 PM #353:	We don't really have a shared belief system though. There are atheist Buddhists for example (because the roots that the word atheism comes from only really specifies a lack of belief in god). And you're invoking pascals wager there a bit. Because there also could be a god that smites believers and saves those who don't believe. So really, there's no reason to act on one idea or the other (see the hippo discussion above) -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below! http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:726471] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> We don't really have a shared belief system though. There are atheist Buddhists for example (because the roots that the word atheism comes from only really specifies a lack of belief in god). And you're invoking pascals wager there a bit. Because there also could be a god that smites believers and saves those who don't believe. So really, there's no reason to act on one idea or the other (see the hippo discussion above) -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below!http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/12 7:43:00 PM #354:	Because there also could be a god that smites believers and saves those who don't believe. So really, there's no reason to act on one idea or the other That wasn't the point, though. The point is that you have to have some level of faith in your decision. Every single choice you make in life, you have to have some level of faith. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:726472] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Because there also could be a god that smites believers and saves those who don't believe. So really, there's no reason to act on one idea or the other That wasn't the point, though. The point is that you have to have some level of faith in your decision. Every single choice you make in life, you have to have some level of faith. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/12 7:43:00 PM #355:	*Leebo86 posted...* Okay, we can go with "defined by" if you want. But they're not defined by them. That's the point. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:726473] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Leebo86 posted...Okay, we can go with "defined by" if you want.But they're not defined by them. That's the point. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CalvinbalI 01/30/12 7:43:00 PM #356:	This seems like the worst topic in B8 history. -- "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy...let's go exploring!" - Calvin http://img.imgcake.com/calvinfinalpngpy.png <cite>CalvinbalI posted [p:726474] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> This seems like the worst topic in B8 history. -- "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy...let's go exploring!" - Calvinhttp://img.imgcake.com/calvinfinalpngpy.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tyder21 01/30/12 7:45:00 PM #357:	From: JeffreyRaze \| #353 So really, there's no reason to act on one idea or the other Yes, this is the point I was trying to make. -- http://myanimelist.net/profile/tyder21 <cite>tyder21 posted [p:726475] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: JeffreyRaze \| #353So really, there's no reason to act on one idea or the otherYes, this is the point I was trying to make. -- http://myanimelist.net/profile/tyder21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 01/30/12 7:47:00 PM #358:	Well, in that sense most animals have faith that the laws of physics will continue to apply. I wouldn't call it faith because I have absolutely zero way of determining if there's anything to have faith about. I guess you could say that I have faith that I'm not going to be eaten by a hippo for posting this, but... I wouldn't call it faith in the same way religious people trying to argue with atheism define it. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below! http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:726476] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Well, in that sense most animals have faith that the laws of physics will continue to apply. I wouldn't call it faith because I have absolutely zero way of determining if there's anything to have faith about. I guess you could say that I have faith that I'm not going to be eaten by a hippo for posting this, but... I wouldn't call it faith in the same way religious people trying to argue with atheism define it. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below!http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/30/12 7:48:00 PM #359:	Now, this isn't a perfect analogy, but bear with me for a bit. There are people who play sports. People who play baseball, who follow the rules of baseball when they play. People who play football, and follow the rules of football while they play. People who play, golf, and so on. And there are people who don't play sports. Some of these people might be dicks who say "sports suck and people who play sports suck". And then there are people who don't even spend time thinking about sports at all, they're occupied with other things, but they're not actively engaged in a pro-sport/anti-sport thought process. The two groups who don't play sports are the same in that they both don't play sports, but they're also quite different. Does that kind of make sense? -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:726477] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Now, this isn't a perfect analogy, but bear with me for a bit.There are people who play sports. People who play baseball, who follow the rules of baseball when they play. People who play football, and follow the rules of football while they play. People who play, golf, and so on.And there are people who don't play sports. Some of these people might be dicks who say "sports suck and people who play sports suck". And then there are people who don't even spend time thinking about sports at all, they're occupied with other things, but they're not actively engaged in a pro-sport/anti-sport thought process.The two groups who don't play sports are the same in that they both don't play sports, but they're also quite different.Does that kind of make sense? -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/12 7:49:00 PM #360:	Does that kind of make sense? Not really. You're comparing a physical, tangible activity to a belief system. Although I do find it funny that your example calls the Athiest equivalents dicks. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:726478] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Does that kind of make sense?Not really. You're comparing a physical, tangible activity to a belief system. Although I do find it funny that your example calls the Athiest equivalents dicks. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/30/12 7:49:00 PM #361:	From: TheRock1525 \| #360 Does that kind of make sense? Not really. You're comparing a physical, tangible activity to a belief system. Although I do find it funny that your example calls the Athiest equivalents dicks. Some of the atheists are dicks and some aren't. All the people who don't play sports are atheists. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:726479] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #360Does that kind of make sense?Not really. You're comparing a physical, tangible activity to a belief system. Although I do find it funny that your example calls the Athiest equivalents dicks.Some of the atheists are dicks and some aren't. All the people who don't play sports are atheists. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tyder21 01/30/12 7:50:00 PM #362:	From: JeffreyRaze \| #359 I guess you could say that I have faith that I'm not going to be eaten by a hippo for posting this I guess you could, but as I highlighted before, you don't have to. -- http://myanimelist.net/profile/tyder21 <cite>tyder21 posted [p:726480] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: JeffreyRaze \| #359I guess you could say that I have faith that I'm not going to be eaten by a hippo for posting thisI guess you could, but as I highlighted before, you don't have to. -- http://myanimelist.net/profile/tyder21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/30/12 7:51:00 PM #363:	The two groups who don't play sports are the same in that they both don't play sports, but they're also quite different. Does that kind of make sense? Yes, it makes sense. Keep in mind though, that it's often a worse sin to worship a false god than merely not to worship any god. Followers of each religion very naturally resent being grouped with other religions for that reason, because most religions consider false religion to be less than worthless. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:726481] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> The two groups who don't play sports are the same in that they both don't play sports, but they're also quite different.Does that kind of make sense?Yes, it makes sense. Keep in mind though, that it's often a worse sin to worship a false god than merely not to worship any god. Followers of each religion very naturally resent being grouped with other religions for that reason, because most religions consider false religion to be less than worthless. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WickIebee 01/30/12 7:51:00 PM #364:	What are theists in the topic of sports? Players that suck at the sport but still play it anyway? -- Official Pidgeot of the B/W Boards Clan :D <cite>WickIebee posted [p:726482] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> What are theists in the topic of sports? Players that suck at the sport but still play it anyway? -- Official Pidgeot of the B/W Boards Clan:D </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/30/12 7:52:00 PM #365:	From: WickIebee \| #364 What are theists in the topic of sports? Players that suck at the sport but still play it anyway? The theists are the ones who play sports >_> The different sports are the different religions/gods -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:726483] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: WickIebee \| #364What are theists in the topic of sports? Players that suck at the sport but still play it anyway?The theists are the ones who play sports >_> The different sports are the different religions/gods -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/12 7:53:00 PM #366:	*JeffreyRaze posted...* Well, in that sense most animals have faith that the laws of physics will continue to apply. I wouldn't call it faith because I have absolutely zero way of determining if there's anything to have faith about. I guess you could say that I have faith that I'm not going to be eaten by a hippo for posting this, but... I wouldn't call it faith in the same way religious people trying to argue with atheism define it. Think about it this way: When you eat, you have faith that product you bought doesn't have something in there that will kill you. You never saw the product created and you didn't have 100% involvement in the process. So you have faith that this product is on the up-and-up. When you start your car, do you make sure to check everything that could potentially go wrong on your car, or do you have faith that the manufacturer and mechanic have done their job properly? When you say you don't believe in God, do you need physical evidence that shows that God doesn't exist, or do you have enough faith in the lack of evidence of a God existing being your proof? -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:726484] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> JeffreyRaze posted...Well, in that sense most animals have faith that the laws of physics will continue to apply. I wouldn't call it faith because I have absolutely zero way of determining if there's anything to have faith about. I guess you could say that I have faith that I'm not going to be eaten by a hippo for posting this, but... I wouldn't call it faith in the same way religious people trying to argue with atheism define it.Think about it this way:When you eat, you have faith that product you bought doesn't have something in there that will kill you. You never saw the product created and you didn't have 100% involvement in the process. So you have faith that this product is on the up-and-up.When you start your car, do you make sure to check everything that could potentially go wrong on your car, or do you have faith that the manufacturer and mechanic have done their job properly?When you say you don't believe in God, do you need physical evidence that shows that God doesn't exist, or do you have enough faith in the lack of evidence of a God existing being your proof? -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/30/12 7:53:00 PM #367:	I've heard it attributed to Martin Luther (don't know if he really said it or not) that there were 3 major enemies of Christianity in the world: Jews, Muslims, and Catholics. Jews could be converted, Muslims could be conquered, but Catholics were the worst because they were utterly incorrigible. The closest to Protestant Christianity, and that made it the worst! -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:726485] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> I've heard it attributed to Martin Luther (don't know if he really said it or not) that there were 3 major enemies of Christianity in the world: Jews, Muslims, and Catholics. Jews could be converted, Muslims could be conquered, but Catholics were the worst because they were utterly incorrigible. The closest to Protestant Christianity, and that made it the worst! -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
crazyisgood 01/30/12 7:53:00 PM #368:	The court is not being neutral in deciding to remove the Prayer. If you are neutral you don't take sides. Now she is saying that the religious people don't belong there or have a right to their belief. I say if anything it should be voted on by the students and faculty at the school not some court. -- Save My Female Character Day 32 http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/61795067 <cite>crazyisgood posted [p:726486] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> The court is not being neutral in deciding to remove the Prayer. If you are neutral you don't take sides. Now she is saying that the religious people don't belong there or have a right to their belief. I say if anything it should be voted on by the students and faculty at the school not some court. -- Save My Female Character Day 32 http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/61795067 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 01/30/12 7:53:00 PM #369:	From: tyder21 \| #362 I guess you could, but as I highlighted before, you don't have to. Well that's where the "I guess" came from. I really wouldn't think of that as faith. That's the point I was clumsily trying to communicate. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below! http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:726487] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: tyder21 \| #362I guess you could, but as I highlighted before, you don't have to.Well that's where the "I guess" came from. I really wouldn't think of that as faith. That's the point I was clumsily trying to communicate. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below!http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/12 7:54:00 PM #370:	*Leebo86 posted...* From: WickIebee \| #364 What are theists in the topic of sports? Players that suck at the sport but still play it anyway? The theists are the ones who play sports >_> The different sports are the different religions/gods What about players who have to quit sports due to injuries? What are they? -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:726488] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Leebo86 posted...From: WickIebee \| #364What are theists in the topic of sports? Players that suck at the sport but still play it anyway?The theists are the ones who play sports >_> The different sports are the different religions/godsWhat about players who have to quit sports due to injuries? What are they? -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/30/12 7:54:00 PM #371:	From: crazyisgood \| #368 Now she is saying that the religious people don't belong there or have a right to their belief. no, she isn't -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:726489] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: crazyisgood \| #368Now she is saying that the religious people don't belong there or have a right to their belief.no, she isn't -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/30/12 7:55:00 PM #372:	From: TheRock1525 \| #370 *Leebo86 posted...* From: WickIebee \| #364 What are theists in the topic of sports? Players that suck at the sport but still play it anyway? The theists are the ones who play sports >_> The different sports are the different religions/gods What about players who have to quit sports due to injuries? What are they? People who lost faith? >_> -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:726490] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #370Leebo86 posted...From: WickIebee \| #364What are theists in the topic of sports? Players that suck at the sport but still play it anyway?The theists are the ones who play sports >_> The different sports are the different religions/godsWhat about players who have to quit sports due to injuries? What are they?People who lost faith? >_> -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/12 7:55:00 PM #373:	But they want to play! They just can't because the injuries prevent them from doing so! -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:726491] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> But they want to play! They just can't because the injuries prevent them from doing so! -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/30/12 7:56:00 PM #374:	From: TheRock1525 \| #373 But they want to play! They just can't because the injuries prevent them from doing so! Lots of people who lose faith say they wish they could believe but something in their life has just made it too hard to get back to the way they were before. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:726492] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #373But they want to play! They just can't because the injuries prevent them from doing so!Lots of people who lose faith say they wish they could believe but something in their life has just made it too hard to get back to the way they were before. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 01/30/12 7:56:00 PM #375:	When you say you don't believe in God, do you need physical evidence that shows that God doesn't exist, or do you have enough faith in the lack of evidence of a God existing being your proof? Ah, see this is the problem here. I don't need any sort of evidence to not believe in a god, because the default state is not believing in things. I don't believe god doesn't exist, I simply don't believe that he does. For the rest of that, I have a lot of evidence that makes me feel quite safe in my belief that eating food is not a fatal activity. The difference is that religious faith is belief where there is no evidence. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below! http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:726493] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> When you say you don't believe in God, do you need physical evidence that shows that God doesn't exist, or do you have enough faith in the lack of evidence of a God existing being your proof?Ah, see this is the problem here. I don't need any sort of evidence to not believe in a god, because the default state is not believing in things. I don't believe god doesn't exist, I simply don't believe that he does.For the rest of that, I have a lot of evidence that makes me feel quite safe in my belief that eating food is not a fatal activity. The difference is that religious faith is belief where there is no evidence. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below!http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/12 7:59:00 PM #376:	For the rest of that, I have a lot of evidence that makes me feel quite safe in my belief that eating food is not a fatal activity. The difference is that religious faith is belief where there is no evidence. Of course, that's if you ignore things like miracles and unexplained phenomena. Having witnessed both personally, it's hard for me to simply ignore these as possible evidence. Remember, POSSIBLE, not confirmation. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:726494] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> For the rest of that, I have a lot of evidence that makes me feel quite safe in my belief that eating food is not a fatal activity. The difference is that religious faith is belief where there is no evidence.Of course, that's if you ignore things like miracles and unexplained phenomena. Having witnessed both personally, it's hard for me to simply ignore these as possible evidence. Remember, POSSIBLE, not confirmation. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/30/12 8:00:00 PM #377:	From: TheRock1525 \| #376 unexplained phenomena you mean, not-yet-explained phenomena -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:726495] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #376unexplained phenomenayou mean, not-yet-explained phenomena -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/12 8:01:00 PM #378:	*Leebo86 posted...* From: TheRock1525 \| #373 But they want to play! They just can't because the injuries prevent them from doing so! Lots of people who lose faith say they wish they could believe but something in their life has just made it too hard to get back to the way they were before. But that doesn't work because our bodies physically breakdown. That means that any time you get old, you have to lose your religion. And the main reason that it doesn't work is because there's plenty of HUGE sports fans that will never play a sport in their life, and will actively dedicate their life to sports without playing a single second of it. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:726496] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Leebo86 posted...From: TheRock1525 \| #373But they want to play! They just can't because the injuries prevent them from doing so!Lots of people who lose faith say they wish they could believe but something in their life has just made it too hard to get back to the way they were before.But that doesn't work because our bodies physically breakdown. That means that any time you get old, you have to lose your religion. And the main reason that it doesn't work is because there's plenty of HUGE sports fans that will never play a sport in their life, and will actively dedicate their life to sports without playing a single second of it. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 01/30/12 8:01:00 PM #379:	The court is not being neutral in deciding to remove the Prayer. If you are neutral you don't take sides. Now she is saying that the religious people don't belong there or have a right to their belief. I say if anything it should be voted on by the students and faculty at the school not some court. Actually, in a way a court's role is, upon review of the evidence and arguments, to take a side by issuing a verdict. They're only supposed to not have already taken a side beforehand. -- I had a nightmare where Ulti forced me to eat brain matter. ;_;-MegaWentEvil <cite>paperwarior posted [p:726497] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> The court is not being neutral in deciding to remove the Prayer. If you are neutral you don't take sides. Now she is saying that the religious people don't belong there or have a right to their belief. I say if anything it should be voted on by the students and faculty at the school not some court.Actually, in a way a court's role is, upon review of the evidence and arguments, to take a side by issuing a verdict. They're only supposed to not have already taken a side beforehand. -- I had a nightmare where Ulti forced me to eat brain matter. ;_;-MegaWentEvil </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/30/12 8:02:00 PM #380:	We can include the fans of the sports in the analogy as participants. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:726498] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> We can include the fans of the sports in the analogy as participants. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/12 8:02:00 PM #381:	*Leebo86 posted...* From: TheRock1525 \| #376 unexplained phenomena you mean, not-yet-explained phenomena And if I die before it gets explained, then it retains it's "unexplained" status. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:726499] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Leebo86 posted...From: TheRock1525 \| #376unexplained phenomenayou mean, not-yet-explained phenomenaAnd if I die before it gets explained, then it retains it's "unexplained" status. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/12 8:03:00 PM #382:	*Leebo86 posted...* We can include the fans of the sports in the analogy as participants. Then that changes everything and the analogy breaks down even further. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:726500] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Leebo86 posted...We can include the fans of the sports in the analogy as participants.Then that changes everything and the analogy breaks down even further. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/30/12 8:03:00 PM #383:	From: TheRock1525 \| #381 *Leebo86 posted...* From: TheRock1525 \| #376 unexplained phenomena you mean, not-yet-explained phenomena And if I die before it gets explained, then it retains it's "unexplained" status. >_> I didn't realize humanity's understanding was depending on whether you lived to see the advancements -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:726501] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #381Leebo86 posted...From: TheRock1525 \| #376unexplained phenomenayou mean, not-yet-explained phenomenaAnd if I die before it gets explained, then it retains it's "unexplained" status.>_> I didn't realize humanity's understanding was depending on whether you lived to see the advancements -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/30/12 8:04:00 PM #384:	From: TheRock1525 \| #382 *Leebo86 posted...* We can include the fans of the sports in the analogy as participants. Then that changes everything and the analogy breaks down even further. The only problem really is that sports aren't mutually exclusive. But we can just pretend they are. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:726502] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #382Leebo86 posted...We can include the fans of the sports in the analogy as participants.Then that changes everything and the analogy breaks down even further.The only problem really is that sports aren't mutually exclusive. But we can just pretend they are. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/30/12 8:04:00 PM #385:	Actually, in a way a court's role is, upon review of the evidence and arguments, to take a side by issuing a verdict. They're only supposed to not have already taken a side beforehand. Courts often rule that they cannot act, or will not act, actually. For example, in Marbury v. Madison, the Court ruled that it lacked the power to order Madison to deliver Marbury's commission as a judge, even though Marbury was in the right, because the law Congress had passed giving the Supreme Court that power was unconstitutional. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:726503] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Actually, in a way a court's role is, upon review of the evidence and arguments, to take a side by issuing a verdict. They're only supposed to not have already taken a side beforehand.Courts often rule that they cannot act, or will not act, actually. For example, in Marbury v. Madison, the Court ruled that it lacked the power to order Madison to deliver Marbury's commission as a judge, even though Marbury was in the right, because the law Congress had passed giving the Supreme Court that power was unconstitutional. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/12 8:04:00 PM #386:	I'd like to point out the fact that if I'm dead, humanity's advancements don't mean s*** to me. Especially since I'll be dead and know for sure, so why would I even care at that point? -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:726504] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> I'd like to point out the fact that if I'm dead, humanity's advancements don't mean s*** to me. Especially since I'll be dead and know for sure, so why would I even care at that point? -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/12 8:05:00 PM #387:	*Leebo86 posted...* From: TheRock1525 \| #382 Leebo86 posted... We can include the fans of the sports in the analogy as participants. Then that changes everything and the analogy breaks down even further. The only problem really is that sports aren't mutually exclusive. But we can just pretend they are. No, we can't. There's so many problems with this analogy that we should just drop it. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:726505] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Leebo86 posted...From: TheRock1525 \| #382Leebo86 posted...We can include the fans of the sports in the analogy as participants.Then that changes everything and the analogy breaks down even further.The only problem really is that sports aren't mutually exclusive. But we can just pretend they are.No, we can't. There's so many problems with this analogy that we should just drop it. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/30/12 8:05:00 PM #388:	From: TheRock1525 \| #386 I'd like to point out the fact that if I'm dead, humanity's advancements don't mean s* to me. Especially since I'll be dead and know for sure, so why would I even care at that point? Well, you won't really "know" anything when you cease to exist. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:726506] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #386I'd like to point out the fact that if I'm dead, humanity's advancements don't mean s* to me. Especially since I'll be dead and know for sure, so why would I even care at that point?Well, you won't really "know" anything when you cease to exist. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 01/30/12 8:07:00 PM #389:	Athletes are clergy. The guys who invented the sports are the great prophets, and some kind of weird pagan God of Sports is God. -- Weird. Creepy! <cite>paperwarior posted [p:726507] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Athletes are clergy. The guys who invented the sports are the great prophets, and some kind of weird pagan God of Sports is God. -- Weird. Creepy! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/30/12 8:07:00 PM #390:	From: TheRock1525 \| #387 No, we can't. There's so many problems with this analogy that we should just drop it. The entire point is the non-sports players/fans, and you seem to have just ignored that part. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:726508] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #387No, we can't. There's so many problems with this analogy that we should just drop it.The entire point is the non-sports players/fans, and you seem to have just ignored that part. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 01/30/12 8:09:00 PM #391:	Or possibly Yami Yugi, the King of Games. -- http://img.imgcake.com/paperpngvu.png <cite>paperwarior posted [p:726509] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Or possibly Yami Yugi, the King of Games. -- http://img.imgcake.com/paperpngvu.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 01/30/12 8:09:00 PM #392:	Well, unexplained things doesn't really point me to conclude anything other than that I can't explain it at the moment. If I see a tree uprooted and I have no idea how or why it was uprooted that doesn't lead me to believe a dragon did it. But if you've seen things that you feel confirm your beliefs... Good for you! And I mean that without sarcasm. I really only object to religion when it causes harm. I may believe that your faith is unreasonable, but so what? Anyways, I think I'm gonna go for a walk, so I'll be back in a while. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below! http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:726510] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Well, unexplained things doesn't really point me to conclude anything other than that I can't explain it at the moment. If I see a tree uprooted and I have no idea how or why it was uprooted that doesn't lead me to believe a dragon did it. But if you've seen things that you feel confirm your beliefs... Good for you! And I mean that without sarcasm. I really only object to religion when it causes harm. I may believe that your faith is unreasonable, but so what? Anyways, I think I'm gonna go for a walk, so I'll be back in a while. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below!http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tyder21 01/30/12 8:10:00 PM #393:	From: Leebo86 \| #388 Well, you won't really "know" anything when you cease to exist. See, you just stated something as fact. If there's a God and/or an afterlife, then yes, it is quite possible that he will know. It's possible that I just misunderstood what you were trying to phrase there. It's already decided that speaking about such things in a manner of absolute certainty is foolish. And speaking of sports. From: Leebo86 \| #372 Connecticut Huskies Thank you for supporting my school. -- http://myanimelist.net/profile/tyder21 <cite>tyder21 posted [p:726511] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: Leebo86 \| #388Well, you won't really "know" anything when you cease to exist.See, you just stated something as fact. If there's a God and/or an afterlife, then yes, it is quite possible that he will know. It's possible that I just misunderstood what you were trying to phrase there. It's already decided that speaking about such things in a manner of absolute certainty is foolish.And speaking of sports.From: Leebo86 \| #372Connecticut HuskiesThank you for supporting my school. -- http://myanimelist.net/profile/tyder21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/12 8:10:00 PM #394:	*Leebo86 posted...* From: TheRock1525 \| #387 No, we can't. There's so many problems with this analogy that we should just drop it. The entire point is the non-sports players, and you seem to have just ignored that part. Cause non-sports players can ENJOY sports, think they're great for the world and dedicate heavy amounts of time and effort into sports without ever playing them. There's also the fact that non-sports players can have jobs within sports. There's accountants, there's secretaries, etc. The problem with the analogy is that you assume that non-sports players can only fall into two categories: people who actively hate sports and people who are indifferent towards them. Which couldn't be further from the truth. Plus, in this analogy, you'd have to find an equivalent "Athiest who thinks Religion is awesome and goes to church every day but doesn't believe in it." Which I doubt there's a significant enough amount of people like that to make this analogy even work. Seriously, you really can't see why this analogy is bad? -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:726512] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Leebo86 posted...From: TheRock1525 \| #387No, we can't. There's so many problems with this analogy that we should just drop it.The entire point is the non-sports players, and you seem to have just ignored that part.Cause non-sports players can ENJOY sports, think they're great for the world and dedicate heavy amounts of time and effort into sports without ever playing them.There's also the fact that non-sports players can have jobs within sports. There's accountants, there's secretaries, etc.The problem with the analogy is that you assume that non-sports players can only fall into two categories: people who actively hate sports and people who are indifferent towards them. Which couldn't be further from the truth.Plus, in this analogy, you'd have to find an equivalent "Athiest who thinks Religion is awesome and goes to church every day but doesn't believe in it." Which I doubt there's a significant enough amount of people like that to make this analogy even work.Seriously, you really can't see why this analogy is bad? -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/30/12 8:12:00 PM #395:	From: tyder21 \| #393 See, you just stated something as fact. If there's a God and/or an afterlife, then yes, it is quite possible that he will know. It's possible that I just misunderstood what you were trying to phrase there. It's already decided that speaking about such things in a manner of absolute certainty is foolish. It was mostly tongue in cheek. Thank you for supporting my school. I've been a UConn fan my whole life, but the last 2 weeks haven't been all that great >_> -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:726513] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: tyder21 \| #393See, you just stated something as fact. If there's a God and/or an afterlife, then yes, it is quite possible that he will know. It's possible that I just misunderstood what you were trying to phrase there. It's already decided that speaking about such things in a manner of absolute certainty is foolish.It was mostly tongue in cheek.Thank you for supporting my school.I've been a UConn fan my whole life, but the last 2 weeks haven't been all that great >_> -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tyder21 01/30/12 8:12:00 PM #396:	I don't think there is an analogy that would fit this situation perfectly. -- http://myanimelist.net/profile/tyder21 <cite>tyder21 posted [p:726514] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> I don't think there is an analogy that would fit this situation perfectly. -- http://myanimelist.net/profile/tyder21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 01/30/12 8:13:00 PM #397:	Scalpers are televangelists. -- Weird. Creepy! <cite>paperwarior posted [p:726515] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> Scalpers are televangelists. -- Weird. Creepy! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/30/12 8:13:00 PM #398:	From: TheRock1525 \| #394 Cause non-sports players can ENJOY sports, think they're great for the world and dedicate heavy amounts of time and effort into sports without ever playing them. There's also the fact that non-sports players can have jobs within sports. There's accountants, there's secretaries, etc. The problem with the analogy is that you assume that non-sports players can only fall into two categories: people who actively hate sports and people who are indifferent towards them. Which couldn't be further from the truth. Plus, in this analogy, you'd have to find an equivalent "Athiest who thinks Religion is awesome and goes to church every day but doesn't believe in it." Which I doubt there's a significant enough amount of people like that to make this analogy even work. Seriously, you really can't see why this analogy is bad? We already added the fans in, so it's non-sports enthusiasts period. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:726516] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #394Cause non-sports players can ENJOY sports, think they're great for the world and dedicate heavy amounts of time and effort into sports without ever playing them.There's also the fact that non-sports players can have jobs within sports. There's accountants, there's secretaries, etc.The problem with the analogy is that you assume that non-sports players can only fall into two categories: people who actively hate sports and people who are indifferent towards them. Which couldn't be further from the truth.Plus, in this analogy, you'd have to find an equivalent "Athiest who thinks Religion is awesome and goes to church every day but doesn't believe in it." Which I doubt there's a significant enough amount of people like that to make this analogy even work.Seriously, you really can't see why this analogy is bad?We already added the fans in, so it's non-sports enthusiasts period. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tyder21 01/30/12 8:14:00 PM #399:	From: Leebo86 \| #396 It was mostly tongue in cheek. Oh alright, so we'll just chalk that up as a misunderstanding on my part then. I've been a UConn fan my whole life, but the last 2 weeks haven't been all that great >_> >_> Tell me about it. -- http://myanimelist.net/profile/tyder21 <cite>tyder21 posted [p:726517] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> From: Leebo86 \| #396It was mostly tongue in cheek.Oh alright, so we'll just chalk that up as a misunderstanding on my part then.I've been a UConn fan my whole life, but the last 2 weeks haven't been all that great >_>>_> Tell me about it. -- http://myanimelist.net/profile/tyder21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/12 8:18:00 PM #400:	*JeffreyRaze posted...* Well, unexplained things doesn't really point me to conclude anything other than that I can't explain it at the moment. If I see a tree uprooted and I have no idea how or why it was uprooted that doesn't lead me to believe a dragon did it. But if you've seen things that you feel confirm your beliefs... Good for you! And I mean that without sarcasm. I really only object to religion when it causes harm. I may believe that your faith is unreasonable, but so what? Anyways, I think I'm gonna go for a walk, so I'll be back in a while. Understand that I don't look at everything without an immediate explanation and go "clearly a miracle." When I said personal experience, I'm talking about one where every explanation was exhausted, where some of the top people in the current field looked at the situation and went "we have no idea how this happened." Does that mean someday, somehow it can be explained what the hell happened? Possibly. But I don't think, and I think you're agree with me here, that it's unreasonable to believe that if the best of the best cannot explain the situation, maybe it truly is unexplainable. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:726518] in Girl gets ... [t:61800901]...</cite> <quote> JeffreyRaze posted...Well, unexplained things doesn't really point me to conclude anything other than that I can't explain it at the moment. If I see a tree uprooted and I have no idea how or why it was uprooted that doesn't lead me to believe a dragon did it. But if you've seen things that you feel confirm your beliefs... Good for you! And I mean that without sarcasm. I really only object to religion when it causes harm. I may believe that your faith is unreasonable, but so what? Anyways, I think I'm gonna go for a walk, so I'll be back in a while.Understand that I don't look at everything without an immediate explanation and go "clearly a miracle." When I said personal experience, I'm talking about one where every explanation was exhausted, where some of the top people in the current field looked at the situation and went "we have no idea how this happened." Does that mean someday, somehow it can be explained what the hell happened? Possibly. But I don't think, and I think you're agree with me here, that it's unreasonable to believe that if the best of the best cannot explain the situation, maybe it truly is unexplainable. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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