Board 8 > Dota 2 Topic 4 - "If light cannot escape me, what hope have you?"

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Xiahou Shake
02/01/12 10:13:00 PM
#1:


Yay, we've steadily worked our way up to a new topic! All the info in the first post of the old topic will be posted in the second post. To kick this one off, I'd rather give some helpful links, which I'll be implementing in an edit in a bit. >_>

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Xiahou Shake
02/01/12 10:14:00 PM
#2:


What is DotA?

Well, good sir, DotA is the alpha and the omega of the League of Legends/HoN variety of games! All games in the genre sprung from it, and so too shall the genre return to it upon DotA 2's release. DotA is a team oriented game, in which two teams of 5 players face off against eachother. Each player takes control of one of 104 unique heroes, and face off against eachother on a large battlefield, assisted by waves of computer controlled monsters called "creeps". The two teams, the Radiant and the Dire, each have a base: Radiant in lower left, Dire in the upper right. There are three "lanes" connecting the bases, with towers guarding the road to victory. Each team must push these lanes, with the ultimate goal of breaching the enemy team's base and destroying their Ancient, granting them victory.

What kind of heroes are there?

DotA has all manner of heroes! The diversity of skills the various heroes employ is something to be commended. It would be quite impossible to go into them all here, but you can slake your thirst for knowledge at this link, if you want. http://www.playdota.com/heroes
To give a brief idea, though, there are three main types of heroes, Strength, Agility, and Intelligence based. Going a step further, DotA heroes occupy various "roles", parts they play in contributing to the team. The importance of teamwork in DotA cannot be stressed enough, so be sure you're aware of your hero's role!

What are these roles?

Remember to keep your shoes on at all times... wait, that's something different. DotA's roles include the following:
Carry - The importance of the carry in a DotA match can't be understated. By their nature, carries tend to start off fairly weak, but as they gain levels and items, they become unbelievably powerful. Back up your carry in the early/mid game, and watch them smite your foes in the late game!
Support - Support heroes, predictably, play a support role. Their job is to place wards around the map, heal their allies, stun their enemies, aid in setting up ganks, and other such things.
Ganker - These bad boys are dedicated to making the enemy team miserable. Gankers tend to start off quite strong in the early game, and it's their job to practice general deathdealing upon the enemy team, though especially on their carry, to prohibit them from becoming strong.
These definitions are a GROSS simplification, but as you play you'll notice very quickly how a team is supposed to function. Remember, a team that slays together stays together!

This sounds awesome, where can I start playing?

Ah, there's the rub. Unfortunately, DotA 2 isn't out yet! The game is currently in it's beta phase. We are rapidly approaching an open beta, however, as invites are being sent out every day now. To make it even better, everyone who is invited by Valve gets two guest invites for their friends! If you haven't already, follow this link (it opens in Steam) and take the survey. steam://takesurvey/1/
The questions are kinda silly, so just fake it if you must! The important thing is that you submit it, because that's the only way to get an invite!

When does the game come out?

We don't know! Valve/Icefrog have stated that the plan is to stay in beta until the game is insanely polished, but past a point let everyone play it as it develops. The game is updated every Thursday with balance changes and usually new heroes, so for now just kick back and enjoy it. (Assuming you've got your key!)

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Shoenin_Kakashi
02/01/12 10:15:00 PM
#3:


Enigma huh

alright, Ill accept that

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Xiahou Shake
02/01/12 10:30:00 PM
#4:


That info post looks so sloppy now that I reread it after all this time. I'd welcome anyone who wants to write up a better one to do so.

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Xiahou Shake
02/01/12 10:48:00 PM
#5:


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Ness26
02/01/12 10:52:00 PM
#6:


I wrote this post on the Dota 2 forum about transitioning from LoL. Some people might find it helpful. Some nice contributions from others (though some of it gets a bit in depth for a first timer)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/610657-dota-2/61432107

I'd suggest adding the console commands for right-click deny and range indicators into the first post. Also have people add chat_join "Board 8" to the autoexec file so we can find each other easily!

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Xiahou Shake
02/01/12 11:00:00 PM
#7:


Good suggestions, I added them in!
Threw up a link to your post as well.

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foolm0ron
02/01/12 11:12:00 PM
#8:


From: Xiahou Shake | #001
Purge's guide for complete newbies (awesome read): http://www.playdota.com/guides/welcome-to-dota-you-suck


I read this article before starting to play and it helped immensely. When I played Dota 1, I had no idea you weren't supposed to auto-attack, and didn't know about denies, or pretty much anything else in the article.

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foolm0ron
02/01/12 11:47:00 PM
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Also how have I never seen this stuff:
http://www.valvenews.net/2011/dota-2-will-feature-cosmetic-items-an-in-game-store/

Is Valve really gonna make MULTIPLE items for EACH character? I already mentioned how it's ridiculous how many lines each character has compared to TF2, but now they are making complete new items while TF2 players have to deal with crappy community items slapped into the game with bad effects.

But holy crap I need that Windrunner cloak

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Ness26
02/02/12 7:51:00 AM
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That's why I think the game is going F2P. They'll make ridiculous amounts of money off of these cosmetic items.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
02/02/12 8:16:00 AM
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Of course they were gonna put cosmetic items in. It's Valve afterall

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Xiahou Shake
02/02/12 1:22:00 PM
#12:


There's some pics/gifs of some full-on skins already out too, in addition to the individual equipment items.
Orca Tidehunter and shirtless/maskless Gondar. Both look pretty fantastic... but I don't have links to either at the moment. >_>

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Xiahou Shake
02/02/12 1:24:00 PM
#14:


From: UltimaterializerX | #013
All that topic really needed was "stop playing easymode Dota".


Not that I disagree or anything, but we do have a duty as players of the better game to ease their entry into the real deal!

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foolm0ron
02/02/12 2:08:00 PM
#15:


anyone wanna play now?

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Xiahou Shake
02/02/12 2:09:00 PM
#16:


I've got class in about an hour, so no time for me right now. I should be good to go later tonight though.

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Xiahou Shake
02/02/12 2:20:00 PM
#17:


Tobi talking about alcohol and Days of Our Lives while the game is paused.
This is the real reason to watch tournaments.

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Xiahou Shake
02/02/12 7:47:00 PM
#18:


I just got home!
So then, no update today, but in the next few days we'll be getting a "test" version of the game, which'll be updated each week with new content, while the old one will stay a week behind to remain perfectly stable. Sounds good, I guess. So long as I have a new hero to mess around with for the weekend, I don't care what happens!

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Crossfiyah
02/02/12 9:57:00 PM
#19:


I hope I can actually PLAY this supposed stable version.

****ing FPS spike bull****.

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Xiahou Shake
02/04/12 8:14:00 PM
#20:


Mannn, I was really hoping that the patch would be up by tonight. >_>
Guess there's still tomorrow, but blah.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
02/05/12 7:47:00 PM
#21:


Both are Easymodo games Ulti

Dota just doesn't have guinsoo(programmer) anymore thankfully.

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Xiahou Shake
02/05/12 7:50:00 PM
#22:


It doesn't have Guinsoo (item) anymore either, lol.
I always chuckle that Eul's is still in but they took Guinsoo's name off of Scythe of Vyse.

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Silverliner182V
02/05/12 7:54:00 PM
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he probably requested that his name be removed. since ya'know, he's the competition.

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Xiahou Shake
02/05/12 7:58:00 PM
#24:


It's probably more to do with the fact that he threw a hissy fit when Valve revealed Dota 2, and tried to get in on the rights/money.

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foolm0ron
02/07/12 12:26:00 AM
#25:


Hey, he probably reacted normally. He just wanted to make a successor to Dota, and he was successful, but IceFrog got way luckier by getting the job from Valve. Though I guess Dota got way bigger when IceFrog started developing it, so Guinsoo should've probably just given up and enjoyed his LoL money.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
02/07/12 9:02:00 AM
#26:


But Guinsoo's dota was ****.

Hell Guinsoo the individual is ****.

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Xiahou Shake
02/07/12 1:53:00 PM
#27:


Guinsoo literally said that (modern) Invoker has a bad design because he requires thought to play.
Anyway, I'm guessing they've like given up on getting the test client up early. Chances are we won't see it till Thursday and then we'll get 2-3 heroes added to the client then. At least now there's more to look forward to!

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The Real Truth
02/08/12 5:39:00 PM
#28:


I'm back in the game if anyone is down.

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Ness26
02/09/12 1:58:00 PM
#29:


Gaah just played three pub games.

Forgot how much stupid people can piss me off.

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Aecioo
02/09/12 1:59:00 PM
#30:


It's weird, I don't feel like playing DotA 2 that much until a patch comes out, then I bang out 15 games in two or three days before going into hibernation until the next patch.

Basically I need people to bother me on steam to play or they need to release another patch.

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Aecioo
02/09/12 5:05:00 PM
#31:


ARG VALVE TIME.

No patch today, but the next one is (supposedly) gigantic. The 2ish heroes we know are done plus maybe one more?

Let us hope!

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Justin_Crossing
02/09/12 5:07:00 PM
#32:


From: Xiahou Shake | #027
Guinsoo literally said that (modern) Invoker has a bad design because he requires thought to play.
Anyway, I'm guessing they've like given up on getting the test client up early. Chances are we won't see it till Thursday and then we'll get 2-3 heroes added to the client then. At least now there's more to look forward to!


Actually this was discussed recently. Guinsoo doesn't like Invoker because of his nature of being able to be relatively uncounterable because he's so versatile.

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Aecioo
02/09/12 5:10:00 PM
#33:


But Invoker is also the best hero in the game (in terms of being awesome to play).

I honestly think the best game would be to make a bunch of heroes that are basically modified invoker. Kind of, actually, how they tried to make Demigod. You had what, 8ish champions to choose from? But you could build them completely differently to fill different roles every game. That game was awesome except for the complete lack of players and the maps being dull and boring.

Basically, I would buy INVOKER DOTA: THE GAME in a heartbeat.

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Ness26
02/09/12 5:10:00 PM
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http://blog.dota2.com/

Grr update delayed even more. Oh well.

Invoker reminds me of playing Magicka.

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Aecioo
02/09/12 5:16:00 PM
#35:


Ness26 posted...
http://blog.dota2.com/

Grr update delayed even more. Oh well.

Invoker reminds me of playing Magicka.


Oh god do you have Magicka.

We need to set up a B8 Magicka Vent Drinking night

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Xiahou Shake
02/09/12 7:41:00 PM
#36:


Ffffff, I can't believe we have to go ANOTHER week without an update.
Well, at least next week will probably be pretty damn amazing. Probably at least 3 heroes, maybe more. >_>

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Ness26
02/09/12 8:05:00 PM
#37:


I still can't get over how good TRT's Earthshaker game was:
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/522652626839338004/FB40EFECECC655C7E12A2335889D831CB679BD32/
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/522652626839338584/C1C5C58978794E46EDB33DEA0FFCAE297D215984/

He totally carried us.

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foolm0ron
02/09/12 8:08:00 PM
#38:


Aww yeah positive K:D at the end for me

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Xiahou Shake
02/09/12 8:09:00 PM
#39:


From everyone I've played with, TRT's probably the best on the board. I learn a little bit every time I play with him!

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Xiahou Shake
02/09/12 8:09:00 PM
#40:


Also I feel bad that you guys played with my IRL mates and I wasn't even there to join in. :(
I'll be up for some games tonight if anyone wants to play!

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foolm0ron
02/09/12 8:11:00 PM
#41:


Oh man Replays in Dota, can't wait

I guess all the crazy stuff Valve tested with TF2 like hats and replays are gonna be in every future Valve game now

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foolm0ron
02/09/12 8:11:00 PM
#42:


and F2P

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Ness26
02/09/12 8:22:00 PM
#43:


There will be killcams in Dota 2 too. They're in progress right now -- you can enable them with a console command.

Presumably you'll be able to use this to find out what killed you. For newbies this will be helpful so they can read the spells that killed them (hi Bloodseeker Ult). Similar to LoL, I suppose.

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The Real Truth
02/09/12 8:43:00 PM
#44:


Earthshaker is just an amazing hero. His stopping power is unrivaled. Just gotta watch out for Silencer.

It also helps when the other team clumps up. The way I play, is I always try to get people when they least expect it. Most people probably think along the lines of

"Okay, we can't clump up at the tower because they have an Earthshaker." What they stupidly will do is clump up midway through the lane as they're pushing, and that's a fantastic time to just rush them if your team is with you. I just pay attention to things like that. You just gotta think outside the box sometimes.

And Ness you saved me at least 4 times I think.

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The Real Truth
02/09/12 8:44:00 PM
#45:


From: foolm0ron | #201
Oh man Replays in Dota, can't wait

I guess all the crazy stuff Valve tested with TF2 like hats and replays are gonna be in every future Valve game now


Yeah. I suspect something similar is true for Half-Life 3/Episode 3. I assume Valve is using the Portal series to implement Portals into HL.

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Ness26
02/09/12 8:53:00 PM
#46:


From: The Real Truth | #044
And Ness you saved me at least 4 times I think.


That was my first game as Dazzle.

It will not be my last. He is so much fun.

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Xiahou Shake
02/09/12 9:54:00 PM
#47:



Jesus Christ, Tobi can sing. >_>

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Xiahou Shake
02/11/12 6:42:00 PM
#48:


Bump of shame.
That game was horrible. X_X

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Shoenin_Kakashi
02/11/12 6:45:00 PM
#49:


Ive had more depressing

52-2-?? as Weaver back in Dota 1, and still lose because my team made up the rest of the 30 deaths and fed the lycan.
And weaver never beats Lycan

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Ness26
02/12/12 11:50:00 AM
#50:


Dignitas vs Ariana Game 2.

The Lich DCs and since Steam is down they can't reconnect.

No biggie, kky is playing two heroes. What a boss.

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