Board 8 > Touhou Mafia - Topic 10: Faith is for the Transient People

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Walrus was your only good shot imhhho

One was Plum being stupid enough to provoke Chris
One was Dante
One was a scan

I mean you still did fine, but yeah

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Also I was right 3/4th of the time <_<

Shooting me totally doesn't count considering I was basically saying "Yeah, I'm scum, what of it?". Even people who were adamant you didn't shoot that day to prove yourself not-day-SK were fine with it!

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From: Luis_Sera89 | #152
Also I was right 3/4th of the time <_<

Shooting me totally doesn't count considering I was basically saying "Yeah, I'm scum, what of it?". Even people who were adamant you didn't shoot that day to prove yourself not-day-SK were fine with it!

Hey you were on my obvious scum list for awhile before that, totally counts.

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From: Luis_Sera89 | Posted: 2/18/2012 1:07:02 AM | #152
Shooting me totally doesn't count considering I was basically saying "Yeah, I'm scum, what of it?". Even people who were adamant you didn't shoot that day to prove yourself not-day-SK were fine with it!

I wouldn't have been if I had been town >_>

also for the record chris by the time I sent the shot in I was about 50/50 on your alignment so I am only MOSTLY stupid

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Days 3 and 4 were pretty "Uhhhhh..." from a scum perspective. We were just off the back of my role not achieving it's desired result, 90% of the town was claimed, and it quickly became apparent Chris wasn't the SK, so I couldn't really claim Youmu as Vig, or Mouko as BP. Which didn't really leave much else. Plus Ulti was about to be revived, which screwed Owl and Walrus got shot. Didn't really know what to do from that point on, since applying pressure to Tom/Reg/Raka would've been counter-productive, and town was sorting its claims out between themselves.

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I do find it odd that nobody tried to push me for claiming Eirin, even though nearly everyone with decent knowledge of the flavor mentioned it.

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oh boy. where to begin.

-chris had a 50% chance of getting an incorrect scan, except for marisa and sanae, who always scanned not guilty, and sunny, who always scanned guilty. hinted at in the flavor and by the fact that his role is completely and utterly broken if taken at face value.

-spiral had a 50% chance of getting an incorrect scan if the result would otherwise be 'nothing happened.' aya wants a scoop. could have been figured out if you knew anything about aya and the newspaper; it's kind of unfortunate so few people were familiar with the theme, but yeah, drak pointed this out.

-eagles (shikieiki, town judge) was the mayor - except no one actually listens to shikieiki when she lectures, so she wouldn't have been able to stop a lynch.

-xiii (yoshika, town zombie) was the bodyguard (in ten desires, this character stands between you and the stage 4 boss and blocks your line of fire; it's rather annoying). he'd come back to life after a day if he died guarding, but not otherwise.

-scum and the independent each had one 'confirmable' role to blend in with the town, and not the ones you'd immediately consider to be scum, either. town paralyzer is a very hgr-ish role (actually i didn't even know what a paralyzer was and came up with the idea myself). scum had one fewer member than i'd normally give to compensate for the doublevote, and they also had no dedicated roleblocker - just the one-shot mass block.

-walrus' claim was not completely fabricated: he had flavor scan abilities in addition to being the godfather and did happen to scan boko night 1. the scum scanned death night 2 and got 'low threat' as a result, so i'm not sure why they instantly lynched death on the last day...

-the modkills really messed up the pace of the game. there was supposed to be time for town to be presented with and ultimately figure out the various traps in the setup. i regret having to kill people and am aware at least most of the comments were well-intentioned, but yeah. i -might- have misread sbell's post, which really looked to me like it was referring to the lynch (like, a sardonic observation that 'the chris show' leads to bad lynches), but some other people thought otherwise. i still don't like letting such posts slide unless it is extremely clear the person just didn't see the hammer.

-chris and caelus played exceptionally well for town. i don't think any scum performances particularly stood out, but raka played a good newbie card until later on. also eirin was totally obvscum. drak was essentially correct on the flavor split - the scumteam was composed of those who caused incidents, led by marisa (a troublemaker in her own right), who also dragged around alice. the marisa/alice duo were supposed to have somewhat innocent-looking flavor, but you could realize they were scum if you were sharp enough, or if the other one of the pair flipped.

-despite good performances from some individual townies, lynches were mostly pretty awful. there was a big problem of town not voting or waiting until deadline to vote, letting scum virtually guarantee a mislynch. the town is honestly best served by reaching consensus before the 48 hours are up.

-all that aside, i had a lot of fun and hope our players and observers did too. i was honestly really happy with how the game turned out; yeah, town got screwed by modkills, but chris also wasn't supposed to kill the scum assassin night 1. he would have been rather dead if he'd hit anyone else. it was anyone's game up until the penultimate night - if vaga shot scum and the scumteam shot vaga (which they were considering), it would lead to a 3-1-1 game with the scum knowing the identity of the independent. winnable with good lynches.
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oh yeah and vaga did a really good job of attracting no attention in the first half of the game. i don't even know how that happened. like, you might expect the town not to notice, but why no pressure from the scum either?

in the second half he was treated as 'confirmed' because he'd revived someone, which is the kind of metagaming i wanted to discourage with this setup. for those interested, i got the idea from chris last game, claiming town reviver as sk.
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i should note that vaga almost dug his own grave night 1, when he was going to kill articuno under spiral's watch. he later changed his mind to xiii.

Did Vaga have a safelist/what was on it? Want to see how screwed I might have been if I'd abandoned the scum safelist.

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no safelist for him, since 1) sanae could pass as town and 2) he had quite a few perks already. the safelist was more 'here are a few options' than 'these are the only things you can claim.'

Enjoyable game. Most fun I've had in years. People really need to start respecting the rules though.

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lol modkills

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From: UltimaterializerX | #165
Oh and Fett/Boko need to stop pretending they're good. What god-awful s*** games those two played. Christ.

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I might have completely forgotten about the Death thing...

To be fair, I've only gotten like 3 hours of sleep the past two nights >_>

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Also, just a personal request for hosts. I'm okay with starting the days earlier when all actions are in, but give it at least half a day ><

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sorry! i was pretty excited and wanted to move things along

Why didn't people believe the Miller claim, when there was a Godfather and no counter claims?

*coughvagacough*

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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 2/18/2012 2:37:03 AM | #165
killed me over broken power a second time.

I'd think that you were the best target for them that night, being confirmed town and unlikely to draw the 'town doc' to save you, so your death wouldn't be suspicious for Raka if he hadn't died. Everyone else in town was lynchable except for Boko, and killing Boko would have been a death sentence for Raka.

I also knew Vaga and Caelus were town

Vaga was SK. >_>

From: X_Dante_X | #172
you realize the entire point of the game was to punish meta like that, right

I think it was very reasonable for there to be a miller.

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the miller claim could perhaps have been mafia, but i'm surprised people were suspecting it of being sk. like, that's definitely innocent-scanning; most people wouldn't think to claim miller when there's no real benefit to doing so. i wouldn't think shados capable of it (no offense meant)

Well, that was fun.

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From: HeroicGammaRay | #176
i wouldn't think shados capable of it (no offense meant)

None taken.

I'm not confident enough in my abilities to play this game to where I would feel comfortable "playing outside the box".

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From: HeroicGammaRay | Posted: 2/18/2012 1:47:23 AM | #159
-despite good performances from some individual townies, lynches were mostly pretty awful. there was a big problem of town not voting or waiting until deadline to vote, letting scum virtually guarantee a mislynch. the town is honestly best served by reaching consensus before the 48 hours are up.

I think the deadline being early for a majority of the game might have had a part in this. Board 8 town tends to do their best work in the 4PM-midnight EST time block, and when the end time is in there, activity gets concentrated towards the start, middle, and end of days. Here the peak activity points were kind of in the first third and second third, and lynches didn't have the advantage of being in a time with a natural peak of activity (when it matters the most).

It was kind of a bummer with how my replacement went down but that's something that was kind of unavoidable. That's two games in a row where I replace in and almost immediately get killed, though. >_<

I think the day shortening role was a great concept since towns tend to leave lynches to the last minute (or the second half of the day), so it forces town to try to make better decisions and punishes particularly bad play.

As an observer, plum almost immediately getting destroyed by Chris was priceless.

Overall a fun read, I wish I'd have gotten more of a chance to play but it was still interesting to see how my reads turned out after the fact.

From: NewerShadow | #179
As an observer, plum almost immediately getting destroyed by Chris was priceless.

Oh yeah, that. One for the record books.

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shadosneko posted...
Why didn't people believe the Miller claim, when there was a Godfather and no counter claims?

*coughvagacough*

I needed to suspect someone of being SK. Im surprised people couldn't tell that despite me listing Caelus as the most likely SK with Fett I was very reluctant to actually go after him about it at all.

Well that and the fact I was barely SK hunting and mainly focused on Scum reads


Anyway being thrown in as SK after being Vanilla so many timed was nice. Picking Boko was basically the least thought out choice I made for a NK (although choosing Arti before reading the end of D1 and seeing the inventor claim almost ended my game D2). I was thinking of changing my choice when I saw that the day had already gone up and the game had ended.

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Nah Ulti you sucked. You had the sense to join the lynch that Caelus built at least, but I'm pretty sure you didn't actually add anything else of use on that last day. Town tells don't win games so knowing Kracko and Caelus were town falls under "big whoop" seeing as you didn't even manage to argue hard enough to bail them out so yeah. Same thing to a lesser extent with Raka and Reg, seeing as I don't recall you arguing very hard for either one's lynch-- and I'm pretty sure you only got on Raka after Caelus trapped him when the dude should've been dogged like hell immediately for not being dead.

Part of mafia is convincing people and you didn't really build a case on anyone. Also you helped propagate Spiral's absurd death theory that Silverliner was scum shapeshifter. What a waste of time.

Just because scum wasted kills on you doesn't make you a good player-- in fact with this scum team it may very well be the opposite given their questionable kills throughout. Though what NewerShadow says has some merit too and is the likely case. Hell you could say you getting janitored actually hurt town because XII was the better revive there just for his zombie power.

I mean, I'd put you in the top half of the people who sucked, but no you don't really have much to gloat about here-- and most townies don't. I mentioned Silver because he was really good at talking himself out of being lynched once which allowed legitimate suspects to be pursued, and I mentioned Drak because he had some good flavor reads at times (but didn't really pursue them unfortunately). No one else really did anything of note. Game was way way way too passive.

(also you talked after being dead lol)

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From: UltimaterializerX | #175
And suck it, Boko. Me and Chris are years ahead of you.

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Does it even matter win the 'best player' was? Don't we have, like, Best Mafia Player category in some kind of board project ?

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I've never won that though so its validity is suspect

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you know next timer I will just claim vanilla right out of the gate
How the hell can I compete with roles like these? x.x

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Yeah but Caelus is the one who spearheaded that one-- you played a weak peanut gallery at best to that one. You had the sense to join it sure but there were a handful of other players that joined that too. You don't get more credit than they do, though you do get more than Boko who refused to commit at least.

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i didn't refuse to commit.

i'll admit that i committed to lynching kracko and was wrong. my bad.

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Oh you were on Kracko? I thought you just didn't vote.

Point stands in any case!

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I didn't vote, but I knew where bolo was voting and I didn't object to it - so that's basically voting for kracko on my part.

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Ah. Well that's better than being afraid to commit I suppose.

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Well, good luck then.

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Ulti was right, or at least close, about a lot of things. He said the Kracko lynch felt wrong and that scum had to be hiding among the "confirmed." He listed his top three suspects as Reg/Raka/Caelus and theorized that Raka was legitimately doc, but SK.

So he had a lot of the pieces within his grasp. But he was way too passive about most of it for most of the day. (this is pot calling the kettle black but it's still true) The only thing he pursued with any heat was his scumread on Caelus, until the last-minute Raka rush.

Also the shapeshifter thing was silly. Silver was so town. Plus, Nue had already flipped.


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From: HeroicGammaRay | #159
but yeah. i -might- have misread sbell's post, which really looked to me like it was referring to the lynch (like, a sardonic observation that 'the chris show' leads to bad lynches), but some other people thought otherwise. i still don't like letting such posts slide unless it is extremely clear the person just didn't see the hammer.

I posted 70 seconds after Chris's post in response to Chris and like 30 seconds after the hammer, not to mention I spend my days posting via Cell Phone.

Piss poor decisions on your behalf.

You were also dealing with a 30 minute sudden death lynching where all it took was one person to change a vote to stop the game. You modkilled 5 people that posted within the span of 1 minute and they were all Town and you completely tossed your game in the toilet.

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I told you Tom was Scum, why the **** didn't you ever lynch him?

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btw does this establish a record for most modkills at once?

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From: HeroicGammaRay | #159
(like, a sardonic observation that 'the chris show' leads to bad lynches)

Even if this were true it would still not be a good enough reason to Modkill someone.

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Lay off, Sbell. I can understand that you are upset and you have a right to be, but when you are a host you can't always break down every angle on stuff like that and he had to be very angry himself when so many people posted after lynch.

He didn't toss this game into the toilet, the people who specifically reacted to the lynch vote were in the wrong. Back off, Sbell, you are going from righteous anger to dickery mighty fast here.

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